Rollieo Del Fuego Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Pete M said: Our top line just got older for a long time... We need and always have needed secondary scoring... We still need a true sniper on the second line...similar to Kessel on the Pens 3rd line (now that is scoring depth). A team plays against the Canucks' top line and lets them play on the perimeter thereby shutting them down. Top line shut down...who is going to score?...we need speed, skill and a sniper on the 2nd line to compliment the top line. I don't see the defence adding to the offence. Right now...it sucks to be a Canuck fan. Rodin and Boeser... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksander Barkov Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, EmilyM said: That actually seems like too high a price in comparison now That would be an absolute steal imo Yakupov is still very young he will break out within the next few years. He's been in the dog house in Edmonton it's quite sad he is super talented player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Pete M said: Our top line just got older for a long time... We need and always have needed secondary scoring... We still need a true sniper on the second line...similar to Kessel on the Pens 3rd line (now that is scoring depth). A team plays against the Canucks' top line and lets them play on the perimeter thereby shutting them down. Top line shut down...who is going to score?...we need speed, skill and a sniper on the 2nd line to compliment the top line. I don't see the defence adding to the offence. Right now...it sucks to be a Canuck fan. Eriksson 30 replaces Vrbata 34.....that's not older Also, take away Hamhuis 33, Higgins 32, Prust 31, Cracknell 30.....the Canucks are getting younger Eriksson is also a better player than Vrbata. Secondary scoring comes from a healthy Sutter. Baertschi finding his stride. Horvat coming into his own. And a better defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Sean Avery said: Etem, D. Sedin, and Baertschi are all snipers on the LW 1st, 2nd, and 3rd line and even though Horvat, Sutter, Eriksson, and Hansen are all TWF, they can score. Virtanen is another sniper as well that could have a good season. We don't need another sniper. Etem is a poor mans power forward trying to become a bonafide power forward Daniel is a playmaker Baertschi is a playmaker I don't know if you understand what a sniper is. Our closest thing to a sniper is Anton Rodin. Hopefully he's the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 2 hours ago, appleboy said: Yes we do. So who? What are your suggestions? I will start it off for you. Speiza for Yakapov. Dorsett for Yakapov. He might be worth a shot and he can shoot by the way. Who the hell is Speiza? And Yakupov is not a sniper. He's a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 2 hours ago, TheSnipeshow91 said: Pirri? Or maybe go for Hudler for a cheap 1 or 2 year deal The topic is we need a sniper. Are you suggesting Pirri or Hudler are snipers or that we just sign them in general? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 1 minute ago, dura_mater said: Who the hell is Speiza? And Yakupov is not a sniper. He's a bust. How about Virtanen doubles his goal totals? Then next season we get Brock Bossey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 37 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said: I wonder what the going rate actually is for Yakupov in a trade. After seeing the Hall trade, I wouldn't be surprised if they gave up Yakupov for Sbisa, Bartkowski and a 3rd. 28 minutes ago, EmilyM said: That actually seems like too high a price in comparison now It's definitely too high a price. Edmonton tried to move Yak at the deadline for a 2nd. No team wanted him for a 2nd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, dura_mater said: The topic is we need a sniper. Are you suggesting Pirri or Hudler are snipers or that we just sign them in general? I think we should take a chance on Pirri, we need a Vey/Santorelli replacement and he's better than both of them, and he'll be cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey Stache Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Pete M said: Our top line just got older for a long time... We need and always have needed secondary scoring... We still need a true sniper on the second line...similar to Kessel on the Pens 3rd line (now that is scoring depth). A team plays against the Canucks' top line and lets them play on the perimeter thereby shutting them down. Top line shut down...who is going to score?...we need speed, skill and a sniper on the 2nd line to compliment the top line. I don't see the defence adding to the offence. Right now...it sucks to be a Canuck fan. Go away!!! If it sucks so bad just stop cheering for the team. As it has already ben posted in this topic the Canucks have gotten much younger and there is a succession plan in place. Patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 45 minutes ago, Sbriggs said: Sucks for you maybe but I hear alot of happy fans to see us going in the right direction and not completely tearing it down. I agree we need a sniper and personally I think the one way is trade Edler or Tanev, they hold the greatest value and with what a solid 1st pairing D is worth on the market today we could easily trade for a good young sniper Please JB get er done A couple of the right kind of players and the Canucks are contenders; right now, there are a lot of passengers and players that do not produce...they try hard, but they do not produce goals... Maybe making the "D" tougher to play against will help keep pucks out of our net and more pucks in the other teams net. Interesting how things change when the dynamic of the "D" changes...I hope this is the case. As of now, and as history shows, Virtanen is unproven and inconsistent; Baert is inconsistent, and a perimeter player, Sutter is a 20 goal man (that's it), Hansen is a work horse and not a finisher, Horvat tries hard but has been stoned more often than not, Dorsett tries hards but doesn't produce, Granlund is a perimeter player and hasn't produced, Burrows is past his prime and is done, Grenier,, and other Utica player are unproven...shut down the top line...who is going to score if nothing changes. We need a bonifide sniper to get us goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 11 minutes ago, Hockey Stache said: Go away!!! If it sucks so bad just stop cheering for the team. As it has already ben posted in this topic the Canucks have gotten much younger and there is a succession plan in place. Patience. Can't do it...that is go away. I'm a Canuck fan and a hockey fan...live and breathe it...yeah, I'm pissed at what has happened from the trade deadline, to the draft, to free agency. Patience is good if management is getting it done...the way it looks now, we are several years away to contend. Come this time, the Sedins are retired. Draft pick may turn out in 5 to 6 years, but the team needed a power forward/ goal scorer that is going to be a "for sure" thing.- impact player sooner than later. Tkachuk is that...Juolevi is good but it will be 4 to 5 years away from being that guy. Sedins will be retired. Hamhuis walks for nothing...I had patience to see a draft pick come our way...didn't happen...did patience help? No. The management is bordering on incompetence. Fined $50K for being competent. No I've lived through the Harry Neale era...and I'm still a Canuck fan...don't think it can get worst than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacious Crumb Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Pete M said: Our top line just got older for a long time... We need and always have needed secondary scoring... We still need a true sniper on the second line...similar to Kessel on the Pens 3rd line (now that is scoring depth). A team plays against the Canucks' top line and lets them play on the perimeter thereby shutting them down. Top line shut down...who is going to score?...we need speed, skill and a sniper on the 2nd line to compliment the top line. I don't see the defence adding to the offence. Right now...it sucks to be a Canuck fan. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Y6YfDBmh8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 1 hour ago, khay said: We can't get everything in one season. We need to address these issues over time. And I think JB is doing his best to insert promising players in every way possible to address some of the issues. 1. UFA: With Eriksson, our first line has became solid for the next few season and addresses the problem of finding a linemate that can play with the Sedins. Burr and Miller's salary are coming off next season (10 mil). I don't know if there are good UFAs available next season but even if we take into consideration raises to be given to Markstrom and Horvat (let's say each get about 2-3 mil raise), we might have some space left to sign a good player if one is available in the UFA market. 2. Draft: Boeser, Juolevi, Demko, Tryamkin. - Boeser looks like he can be a top line player. Once he joins our team in two seasons, he will most likely start on the third line, allowing us to spread scoring. - Juolevi will address the lack of PMD issue that we've had since Salo and Ehrhoff left. It will take about 2-3 season before Juolevi joins our line up but there is a plan to address this problem. - Demko should be able to take over the back up role in two seasons. - Tryamkin addresses this big issue of crease clearing defenceman. 3. Reclamation projects (trading for or our own): Baertschi, Rodin, Larsen, Etem - Baertschi turned out well already and looks to improve on his 15 goals. - Rodin is a SEL MVP. Worth a good look and offers some promise to be able to address that 2nd line sniper issue that you mentioned. - Larsen is a PMD. If it works out, he gives us a RHD on the PP to play with the twins. At the very least, he can be a temporary fill in until Juolevi is ready. Come on, he can't be worse than Weber, can he? - Etem provides skill, size, and speed on the wing. Not your prototypical sniper but he can be effective playing on the third line and chipping in offensively. 4. Trades: Gudbranson. Good on JB for drafting McCann. He was a centerpiece of this deal that helped us address the immediate issue. Gudbranson can eat up 20-25 minutes a game. So you see, there is a plan to address these issues. Be patient my friend. 1 hour ago, khay said: We can't get everything in one season. We need to address these issues over time. And I think JB is doing his best to insert promising players in every way possible to address some of the issues. 1. UFA: With Eriksson, our first line has became solid for the next few season and addresses the problem of finding a linemate that can play with the Sedins. Burr and Miller's salary are coming off next season (10 mil). I don't know if there are good UFAs available next season but even if we take into consideration raises to be given to Markstrom and Horvat (let's say each get about 2-3 mil raise), we might have some space left to sign a good player if one is available in the UFA market. 2. Draft: Boeser, Juolevi, Demko, Tryamkin. - Boeser looks like he can be a top line player. Once he joins our team in two seasons, he will most likely start on the third line, allowing us to spread scoring. - Juolevi will address the lack of PMD issue that we've had since Salo and Ehrhoff left. It will take about 2-3 season before Juolevi joins our line up but there is a plan to address this problem. - Demko should be able to take over the back up role in two seasons. - Tryamkin addresses this big issue of crease clearing defenceman. 3. Reclamation projects (trading for or our own): Baertschi, Rodin, Larsen, Etem - Baertschi turned out well already and looks to improve on his 15 goals. - Rodin is a SEL MVP. Worth a good look and offers some promise to be able to address that 2nd line sniper issue that you mentioned. - Larsen is a PMD. If it works out, he gives us a RHD on the PP to play with the twins. At the very least, he can be a temporary fill in until Juolevi is ready. Come on, he can't be worse than Weber, can he? - Etem provides skill, size, and speed on the wing. Not your prototypical sniper but he can be effective playing on the third line and chipping in offensively. 4. Trades: Gudbranson. Good on JB for drafting McCann. He was a centerpiece of this deal that helped us address the immediate issue. Gudbranson can eat up 20-25 minutes a game. So you see, there is a plan to address these issues. Be patient my friend. The problem is the Sedins are pretty much done in three years...time does not wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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riffraff Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Sean Avery said: Etem, D. Sedin, and Baertschi are all snipers on the LW 1st, 2nd, and 3rd line and even though Horvat, Sutter, Eriksson, and Hansen are all TWF, they can score. Virtanen is another sniper as well that could have a good season. We don't need another sniper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Crabcakes said: Eriksson 30 replaces Vrbata 34.....that's not older Also, take away Hamhuis 33, Higgins 32, Prust 31, Cracknell 30.....the Canucks are getting younger Eriksson is also a better player than Vrbata. Secondary scoring comes from a healthy Sutter. Baertschi finding his stride. Horvat coming into his own. And a better defense. Let's hope this translate into something different than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Wow, too many whiney topics today. Boo fricken hoo. I'm going to go enjoy the rest of Canada Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Pete M said: The problem is the Sedins are pretty much done in three years...time does not wait The good news is that we will continue to add players through the draft and the players that we already have will develop and take over. Sedins are done in three years? OK. At least in those three years, they will be able to play some real good hockey with Eriksson supplemented by some good players so as to at least watching hockey interesting. TBH, after losing in 2011, I just learned that as a fan, all you can hope for is for the team to play an entertaining and competitive hockey. Winning the cup is a dream for many but so many things have to go right that there is no need to be too down just because your team doesn't seem like it has a chance to win the cup in a near future. As in 2011, even if your team has all the odds in their favour to win, they could end up losing for various reasons. And keep in mind that the outlook of a team could change in an instance. For example, when Chicago drafted Toewes, it seemed like he was just one of many good prospects. Who knew at the time of 2006 draft that Toewes would become a special player that he is now? No need to feel that it sucks to be a Canucks fan. I'm already looking forward to the next season. A lot of things to watch for: 1. Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson. Can they replicate the magic we saw in WHC? 2. Gudbranson 3. How much will Bo have improved? 4. Hutton's point totals 5. How good is Tryamkin going to be? 6. Is Rodin a potential 2RW sniper? 7. Larsen. 8. Will Virtanen take a step forward? 9. Will Baertschi reach 20 goals? 10. Full season with Sutter. 11. Is it going to be Gaunce or Granlund or both that make the team on the 3rd/4th line? As a fan of the Canucks, I think there is plenty to look forward to. If you really can't get excited to be a Canucks fan, then maybe you should stop following the Canucks for a bit. It might tell you how you really feel about our team. If you feel indifferent, then move on and don't come back to cheering for a team that makes it suck to be a fan of. But if you feel like something is missing in your life, then come back and look forward to 11 things that I listed above (and potentially more). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, khay said: The good news is that we will continue to add players through the draft and the players that we already have will develop and take over. Sedins are done in three years? OK. At least in those three years, they will be able to play some real good hockey with Eriksson supplemented by some good players so as to at least watching hockey interesting. TBH, after losing in 2011, I just learned that as a fan, all you can hope for is for the team to play an entertaining and competitive hockey. Winning the cup is a dream for many but so many things have to go right that there is no need to be too down just because your team doesn't seem like it has a chance to win the cup in a near future. As in 2011, even if your team has all the odds in their favour to win, they could end up losing for various reasons. And keep in mind that the outlook of a team could change in an instance. For example, when Chicago drafted Toewes, it seemed like he was just one of many good prospects. Who knew at the time of 2006 draft that Toewes would become a special player that he is now? No need to feel that it sucks to be a Canucks fan. I'm already looking forward to the next season. A lot of things to watch for: 1. Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson. Can they replicate the magic we saw in WHC? 2. Gudbranson 3. How much will Bo have improved? 4. Hutton's point totals 5. How good is Tryamkin going to be? 6. Is Rodin a potential 2RW sniper? 7. Larsen. 8. Will Virtanen take a step forward? 9. Will Baertschi reach 20 goals? 10. Full season with Sutter. 11. Is it going to be Gaunce or Granlund or both that make the team on the 3rd/4th line? As a fan of the Canucks, I think there is plenty to look forward to. If you really can't get excited to be a Canucks fan, then maybe you should stop following the Canucks for a bit. It might tell you how you really feel about our team. If you feel indifferent, then move on and don't come back to cheering for a team that makes it suck to be a fan of. But if you feel like something is missing in your life, then come back and look forward to 11 things that I listed above (and potentially more). I hear what you are saying...lot of unknowns...if they turn out to be all good...then it may not be so bad. If it doesn't work out, then it will be hard to watch, and you my friend, I will be still paying attention...but not as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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