Tavrohorvat53 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Pretty self explanatory. Both teams trade for a need in their lineups. Excerpt from NYR hockeybuzz reporter - whom probably keeps closer tabs on the Rangers than we do: Quote http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Jan-Levine/Jimmy-Vesey-Signs-with-the-Rangers/89/78742 Vesey gives NY another solid scoring forward. His presence enables the Rangers to deal a forward to improve the defense, maybe even Nash for Shattenkirk, as has been rumored. If no deal occurs, then Vesey should start out on the third line with Hayes and Pavel Buchnevich. Vesey allows some pressure to be taken off Buchnevich and each rookie to grow throughout the year without needing to carry the offense. It also enables the lineup to be lengthened, pushing a Michael Grabner to the fourth line while also creating additional competition. Players can be plugged and played up and down each line trio. Vancouver takes on Nash 32 years old , his massive contract, along with a 2nd and 7th rounder in future draft for Edler 30 years old, and his cap friendly contract. And on the picture above its reported/speculated that a trade may be on the horizon for Nash. Nash's career numbers are pretty solid, except last season where he suffered the worst Shooting percentage of his 13 year career and suffered the worst stat line of his career. So he's proven to be a capable player with a quite a well rounded game. Regarding Edler we all feel the same way about him. so in order to open up some space on the back end this deal makes sense; especially with his injury problems, even Nash+ 3rd(or 2nd) rounder would suffice. Vancouver has been looking for a proven scorer who is heavy and plays a gritty & grinding game. Even tho Nash is 32 and past his prime, he is still elite offensive talent whom can provide that secondary scoring the canucks desperately need. he may also do wonders mentoring jake in the power forward position. NYR in turn beef up their backend with a defensive specialist which can prevent some more goals wh, because thats where they are middling. NYR stands at number 15 in Goals against and number 7th overall in Goals For even when Nash missed 22 games and only recored 36 points; Meaning they don't lack scoring. Theres a lot of reasons to not want to do this deal, with respect to his age and cap hit, however there are just as many reasons if not more to want to snatch a player of Nash's caliber, cap hit and age considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Thanks, but I'll take a pass on that. Nash = huge NTC contract and hit/miss production, not to mention he's not the physical presence we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Well Nash said he doesn't want to be traded to any of the Canadian teams. And with a declining player who's obviously lost a bit of his former self, made it evident he doesn't want to come to Canada, huge consistency issues, and his big contract, I say we avoid Nash. Besides, we can acquire younger, possibly better players for us in the long-term. And if we're trading Edler, I want a good prospect and a pick coming back our way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Think I heard the dirtbag refused all Cdn teams. 7.8 mill cap hit, as well. Would prob think about it if NYR retained at least 800k. Then there's expansion. Don't want to waste a protection slot, on some overrated, past-prime memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tavrohorvat53 Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, Fanuck said: Thanks, but I'll take a pass on that. Nash = huge NTC contract and hit/miss production, not to mention he's not the physical presence we need. He's put up consistent numbers ever since entering the league. for 13 years. any player is bound to have down years in that stretch. have you watched him in the playoffs? He is a game breaker, plain and simple. age or not he's still has a great scoring touch something the canucks lack. 5 minutes ago, Odd. said: Well Nash said he doesn't want to be traded to any of the Canadian teams. And with a declining player who's obviously lost a bit of his former self, made it evident he doesn't want to come to Canada, huge consistency issues, and his big contract, I say we avoid Nash. Besides, we can acquire younger, possibly better players for us in the long-term. And if we're trading Edler, I want a good prospect and a pick coming back our way. yeah with all his injuries and stuff i think you're expecting way too much for Edler lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tavrohorvat53 Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Think I heard the dirtbag refused all Cdn teams. 7.8 mill cap hit, as well. Would prob think about it if NYR retained at least 800k. Then there's expansion. Don't want to waste a protection slot, on some overrated, past-prime memory. Wasn't aware of that. if thats the case then too bad. I think he still has game and enough to score 50+ points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, Tavrohorvat53 said: He's put up consistent numbers ever since entering the league. for 13 years. any player is bound to have down years in that stretch. have you watched him in the playoffs? He is a game breaker, plain and simple. age or not he's still has a great scoring touch something the canucks lack. yeah with all his injuries and stuff i think you're expecting way too much for Edler lol This guy for the past 3-4 seasons has technically been our number one defenseman. On a contender, he definitely isn't. He's 30 years old, not a bad time to trade him if we are going to. I'm not letting him go for scraps. A good prospect (a-,b+ level) and a pick (2nd rd pick perhaps), maybe even an extra pick (4th-6th rounder) or a top 15-20 pick is where his value is currently is at right now. People here haven't been giving Edler enough credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 16 minutes ago, Tavrohorvat53 said: He's put up consistent numbers ever since entering the league. for 13 years. any player is bound to have down years in that stretch. have you watched him in the playoffs? He is a game breaker, plain and simple. age or not he's still has a great scoring touch something the canucks lack. yeah with all his injuries and stuff i think you're expecting way too much for Edler lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Now that the Rags signed Greasey, they probably wanna dump nashty cap. They should send King Henrik to the stars for a bum Finn GT, & some great pick/prospect. They might reload quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Nash is one of those players that is so hard to actual want because he can disappear for weeks at a time. Those weeks could be enough to miss the playoffs and also kill your team in the playoffs. Inconsistent players, IMO are worse for a team than good. Add on he is overpaid, has a NTC, and has two sub-40 point seasons in the last 3 years... I don't think I would ever give up an asset for him. If NYR give him away for free, plus an asset then I'll think about it. Given that position, a trade with me as GM is completely unrealistic. In reality, NYR will ask for more than Edler for Nash, and Benning hasn't shown that he is dumb enough to take on that contract with all the RFA's coming up this summer. Canucks need around 20m to sign all of them. So I can't so Nash coming to Vancouver. To be fair to your proposal, I think the values of each player, and what they bring to the ice, are definitely comparable. Just not realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I like Nash. I don't see why we dismantle our D to the point of being porous and near useless (like we were last year)! What good is a much improved forward crew with a crappy D? Even if Rick is super swish I say no. His contract expires before we can expect to prosper from any improved offense up front. If & when we trade Edler, which I don't expect any time soon, I expect it to be for young, inexpensive long term futures. With as much upside as his value can command at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNuck Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 This one actually makes sense from both team's perspective. At the end of the day, if we're talking about a positive fix for our scoring woes last year, I think I'd prefer Nash over Hartnell. One problem we have though is space (I believe we have 14 forwards now so we might be pretty much set). To me, if the package included Edler + Burrows then I'm all in...as I'm certain AV would advise Gorton and Schoenfeld to grab 2 players he's used to working with and make a big push to win now (before Henrik starts to decline too much). So how 'bout Edler + Burrows + CBJ2 for Nash + Skjei? We get a an excellent prospect and some immediate scoring help up front, NYR get some depth (character) and a Top4D to fill out an otherwise pretty solid D-corps...they make a run for it over the next 2 years then they become us (re-tool). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 As much as Edler can get overwhelmed as our go-to #1 guy, he is still a very solid top 4 defenseman. Guddy was top 10 in the playoffs last year for TOI/G, SH TOI/G and EV TOI/G. He might seem like a top defender, but if he can take much some heavy minutes I think we will see a far more effective Edler. He and Tanev were also outstanding earlier in the season. I would prioritize getting a #4 defenseman over a winger at this stage. I would rather see Hutton slide into the bottom pairing, he did not look ready late last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 7 hours ago, Tavrohorvat53 said: He's put up consistent numbers ever since entering the league. for 13 years. any player is bound to have down years in that stretch. have you watched him in the playoffs? He is a game breaker, plain and simple. age or not he's still has a great scoring touch something the canucks lack. yeah with all his injuries and stuff i think you're expecting way too much for Edler lol You wanna let Edler go for almost nothing? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odjick_fan Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I think when it gets closer to trade deadline they should consider trading Edler, but definitely not for Nash. I wouldn't trade for garbage, everyone that likes Nash can church him up all you want, I bet the Rangers are praying Vegas takes him lmao. Maybe Expansion Draft coming up, one of the teams may be looking at losing a key player and may want something back in return. Just gotta tough it out for a few months I think. Don't give up on our team jus yet lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Nash is on the decline with a disgusting cap hit. I'll pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 1 hour ago, ABNuck said: This one actually makes sense from both team's perspective. At the end of the day, if we're talking about a positive fix for our scoring woes last year, I think I'd prefer Nash over Hartnell. One problem we have though is space (I believe we have 14 forwards now so we might be pretty much set). To me, if the package included Edler + Burrows then I'm all in...as I'm certain AV would advise Gorton and Schoenfeld to grab 2 players he's used to working with and make a big push to win now (before Henrik starts to decline too much). So how 'bout Edler + Burrows + CBJ2 for Nash + Skjei? We get a an excellent prospect and some immediate scoring help up front, NYR get some depth (character) and a Top4D to fill out an otherwise pretty solid D-corps...they make a run for it over the next 2 years then they become us (re-tool). Earlier in the summer Brooks reported that Rangers management has indicated that there are three untouchables: Pavel Buchnevich, Henrik Lundqvist and Brady Skjei. How do you see their D with Edler? Wouldn't they be looking for an RD if anything? I doubt they would want Burrows. It's also a problem cap wise for the Canucks next year because Nash adds 2.8M over Edler when they need the cap space to sign Horvat, Hutton and Gudbranson and a backup goalie to replace Miller. Linden talked about how they had to be prudent and not just look at this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanB Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 7 hours ago, Tavrohorvat53 said: He's put up consistent numbers ever since entering the league. for 13 years. any player is bound to have down years in that stretch. I wouldn't call his production consistent. For both his talent and salary, even his down years should be point-per-game production or very near that imo. His playoff production doesn't raise a pulse either. He will begin to decline at his age. As mentioned, any discussion of trading Tanev/Edler should revolve around acquiring young, future core players - not declining vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 8 hours ago, Tavrohorvat53 said: Wasn't aware of that. if thats the case then too bad. I think he still has game and enough to score 50+ points. If you're basing the trade of a top 3 defenseman on a 32 year old forward with a $7.8 million cap hit on a potential 50+ points you're looking the wrong way. Edler IS worth more than you and most give him credit for. Look what Russel got last year. Russel isn't half the Dman edler is. Then go through endless years at the TDL and draft and look what comparable defensemen garner for returns in youth. Sorry man, we've got an Eriksson now. Don't need an aging Nash with an attitude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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