Ichiban604 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Its been 2 years now. It is still early. Our opinion changes from time to time. I wanted the canucks to pick William Nylander basic on his high skill set and the swedish connection. My 2nd choice was Ehlers. Both of these players were conisder to be soft at the time, as then Nhl was build on strength, physical play, and big body. Time changed fast, looking at nhl this year (or last year), speed and skill is more important. Base on how Bosten and Kings had huge success a few years ago, compare to now. Jake Virtanen is not a bust, some players needs more time to develop, especially for the power forward position. Who will you pick if you can go back in time? Tonight: Virtanen 0 points , 1 SOG, 3 hits 8:26 < Nylander 1 goal 1 assit, 7 SOG 15:44 mins 5 Games - 0 points 6 Games = 9 Point People say yeah give me 3-4 years then i'll tell you who is the better player. Yeah! i think a blind Stevie Wonder, stuck in the basement can tell you who turn out better . The point is Nylander is performing at a early age. For a Canucks team that cannot score, I think Nylander will help us tremandously . On the wing with the Sedins? Play on a line with Horvat? You can find players that can hit and play physical,but you cannot teach scoring. Phyical play: Virtanen > Nylander High offensive IQ: Nylander > Virtenan Yes 3-4 years Virtenan will devolep into a top line forward just like Hodgson and Kassian did for the Canucks. Give him time pplease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusclePharm Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 At the time i wanted ehlers, nylander is probably the best player looking back but still early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Torts Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Jake Virtanen. It is absolutely clear that he has been told to take it easy in terms of hitting and focus on his offence. He's been shooting and it's just a matter of time. Jake can demolish almost anyone, we know that. But against LA or ANA let him make a couple big hits ! When Jake hits he destroys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Too early to tell and I hope the best for Jake and our sakes but as it stands, no way he was the right choice. I'll take Nylander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruilin96 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Power forward takes the longest to develop and I think Jake just needs to develop his game first in the AHL and gradually brought up to the big league. Playing in the western conference, we need players with both size and skill and Jake has both of these categories checked and he just needs time to develop. Let's hope we develop him properly and gradually bring him up to the big league to play in a big role of the team going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Sergachev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRypien37 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Nick Ritchie. I wanted him from the beginning. Even bigger than Virtanen and a much better fighter. People wanted to compare Kassian to Lucic? Ritchie is a much better comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KFBR392 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Obviously too early to tell, but if there was a re-draft right now I would choose Nylander. At the time, I was on board with Virtanen. He still might turn out, but he sure isn't showing any signs that he can excel at the nhl level yet. I'm hoping for the best. But it kinda looks like we beefed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Nazzy91 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 42 minutes ago, Ichiban604 said: It is still early. 'nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomBoomBoeser Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 19 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said: Sergachev not the same draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekey Pete Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 17 minutes ago, RRypien37 said: Nick Ritchie. I wanted him from the beginning. Even bigger than Virtanen and a much better fighter. People wanted to compare Kassian to Lucic? Ritchie is a much better comparison. I wouldn't choose Ritchie over Virt based on being bigger and a better fighter. Sestito was bigger and probably a better fighter too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 1 minute ago, BoomBoomBoeser said: not the same draft Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Why is it that so many of this fan base can give a "waster" like Kassian an eternity to try to get it into his head but Jake gets called out after one season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomBoomBoeser Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Just now, Mathew Barzal said: Brown wow you must be mature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Jake is the type of player that can make an impact in the playoffs (if he wants to). Nylander will get you points and wins in the regular season where there is more space and the penalties are called as they should be. So this type of player helps take your team to the playoffs. In the playoffs where the NHL changes up the rules to favour bigger guys, it's not clear if Nylander can be successful unless he is supplemented by a tougher player. In Toronto's case, they have Matthews, a big scoring center, which should solve the problem but we shall see. We have Bo Horvat, who is a big centerman of his own. So, I'd say Nylander would have been fine here. But at the time of the draft, it made a whole lot of sense as to why the team picked Virtanen and I still agree with their decision. I just don't like they way they are handling his development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 20 minutes ago, RRypien37 said: Nick Ritchie. I wanted him from the beginning. Even bigger than Virtanen and a much better fighter. People wanted to compare Kassian to Lucic? Ritchie is a much better comparison. Why because the fat faced doughboy got a goal last night? Convenient timing... I can't believe how many people are ragging on a 20 year old. Normally we'd be thrilled if one of our first round picks made an impact by 22 or 23. Yet somehow because he was a 6th pick if he's not making an impact 2 years after he's drafted, he's a bust? Gimme a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Wait about three mores years and then I'll tell you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomBoomBoeser Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 5 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Why because the fat faced doughboy got a goal last night? Convenient timing... I can't believe how many people are ragging on a 20 year old. Normally we'd be thrilled if one of our first round picks made an impact by 22 or 23. Yet somehow because he was a 6th pick if he's not making an impact 2 years after he's drafted, he's a bust? Gimme a break. I think its the lack of effort he's displaying that has many concerned. Most knowledgeable fans can accept if he's not scoring given his inexperience, utilzation etc. But when the kid seems to be doing nothing noticeable in his second year when he's on the bubble that's concerning because it means he's either sulking or doesn't have the drive, or both. Yes some fans have a 'hate on' because we didn't draft Ehlers or Nylander, but many others see some alarming tendencies with him. Those may be driven out over time in the AHL with Green and some maturity, but if not, he will be a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBoGo53 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Nylander outscored the Sedins prior to his draft, and has now grown to 6'0 190lbs. Outstanding draft year and draft+1. Has been excellent in the NHL offensively and defensively. Producing at a first line pace, on par with guys like Malkin, Kessel, Duchene, etc. This is a no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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