Sam Gagner | C/W

[aGENT]

10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I dunno. I'm just starting to get warmed to Vanek  

 

Gagner isn't a guy thats going to be the difference maker on a line, but he can be a good partner. I think thats pretty much it really. 

Same largely applies for Vanek but he's even cheaper and shorter term!

 

He plugs an offensive winger role, let's Goldobin, Dahlen eta al bake longer (and Goldobin particularly, needed more baking contrary to your and others opinions  ) and we move him at the TDL for other rebuild assets! Yay!

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, aGENT said:

Same largely applies for Vanek but he's even cheaper and shorter term!

 

He plugs an offensive winger role, let's Goldobin, Dahlen eta al bake longer (and Goldobin particularly, needed more baking contrary to your and others opinions  ) and we move him at the TDL for other rebuild assets! Yay!

Vanek out at TDL and Goldy in? 

[combover]

Wasn’t a fan of this signing especially with term, just another vet on an unmovable contract in the way of the youth. 1st goal in 25 games,yikes sold as a PP specialist.

 he’s not a horrible player by any stretch but he doesn’t  bring a lot either limited offence, minimal physicality yet another perimeter player. he is responsible and quick. 

His career high came playing on one of the best teams on contact year, can’t say I’m dissapointed in the player because I didn’t expect much.

Gaunce or Archie should/could  have filled this roll.

 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, combover said:

Wasn’t a fan of this signing especially with term, just another vet on an unmovable contract in the way of the youth. 

 

 

 

 

 

His contract is hardly immovable and what youth exactly is he blocking?

[Alexandre]

1 hour ago, aGENT said:

He's always been a streaky player.

 

Largely, he's been playing well defensively but hasn't bee creating tonnes of offense. He's also been bumped around the lineup a lot. So far I'd say he's been 'serviceable'. I do think he'll have more to give now that he appears more settled in and seems to be building some chemistry with Vanek/Burm.

 

But really, he's veteran, middle 6 depth who can play all three forward positions and play up and down the lines and contribute on the PP.

 

He's versatility. That's it.

 

IMO people seemed to have too lofty expectations....

 

Well I was expecting more points for one. He has been given the chances including the power play. He had played 696 games and gotten 402 points prior to Van for ppg of 0.58. It is only 11 games but his ppg is 0.36 here. To me he just doesn't look like he is giving his all atm.

 

Maybe he will get on a hot streak like you say and become more productive. Also, most players take a year to acclimatize to a new team so maybe next year he picks it up.

[JM_]

58 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Same largely applies for Vanek but he's even cheaper and shorter term!

 

He plugs an offensive winger role, let's Goldobin, Dahlen eta al bake longer (and Goldobin particularly, needed more baking contrary to your and others opinions  ) and we move him at the TDL for other rebuild assets! Yay!

yup, i was ahead of the game on Goldy, not shy to admit that. 

[Angry Goose]

I guess I'm in the minority (I was too when everyone was $&!#ting on Virtanen not too long ago) but I see the skill level Gagner has, and maybe he isn't very strong but the guy goes to battle.  I think it's just a matter of finding the right linemates for him.  Honestly if Virtanen wasnt with the Sedins he might be a good fit with Gagner.  Him and Burmi do well together, it's Vanek that constantly kills that lines momentum when he's not potting in the odd goal.

[Father Ryan]

4 hours ago, Alflives said:

Vanek out at TDL and Goldy in? 

Yep. Get what we can for Vanek (3rd, 4th?) and bring Goldobin up. By then, he should have had enough time to get the message that pro hockey isn't just scoring (though that really helps!). Goldobin should be able to make the team from the start, next year.

[kloubek]

I could see the risk we were taking when we signed Gagner, but I think it was a reasonable risk.  He had a great season last year, we needed more skilled players, and the price was reasonable.  I've been disappointed in what I've seen so far as well, but I'm hoping he is just going to take time to adjust to new players and a new system.

[Alflives]

9 minutes ago, kloubek said:

I could see the risk we were taking when we signed Gagner, but I think it was a reasonable risk.  He had a great season last year, we needed more skilled players, and the price was reasonable.  I've been disappointed in what I've seen so far as well, but I'm hoping he is just going to take time to adjust to new players and a new system.

As a rebuilding team, I'd rather see JB take on bad contracts from other teams to collect more picks/prospects instead of signing risky UFA's, like Gagner

[Rob_Zepp]

14 minutes ago, Alflives said:

As a rebuilding team, I'd rather see JB take on bad contracts from other teams to collect more picks/prospects instead of signing risky UFA's, like Gagner

Then how do you ice a competitive NHL team?   Your approach would see any given GM/Coach essentially just setting the table for the next GM/Coach after they get fired for having less than 1/2 full buildings as you ice an AHL line-up.   

 

There is a mix that is "about right" - not sure if the Canucks are there but they are closer than many teams going through a down part of their cycle.   Don't have a "getting killed every night" culture that can destroy prospects/young players, don't have a situation where young players who earn it can play with the big team and don't have a product you cannot get fans excited about.   It is a tough balance for sure but it seems Canucks are icing an interesting team to follow, have oodles of interest in their prospects for the first time in a long time, have young players in their line up contributing and not signed any of their recent FAs (including pending RFA Horvat) to any clauses in contracts to have lots of trade flexibility.    Hard to find such a mix with that kind of balance.   Is it perfect yet?   Not a chance but it is far better than most.

[kloubek]

38 minutes ago, Alflives said:

As a rebuilding team, I'd rather see JB take on bad contracts from other teams to collect more picks/prospects instead of signing risky UFA's, like Gagner

Fair point, but you have to consider that if the contract is bad then the player is likely badly underperforming.  Take on a few of those bad contracts and you have a good portion of your team that is likely to be underperforming.  That goes against ownership's desire to remain competitive, and certainly does nothing to help instill a work-hard and winning culture with the younger guys. At least with Gagner it was going to be hit-and miss as to how he would do and with a 3 year contract it allows us to still have him for secondary scoring when the rest of the time blossoms into a contender.  

 

Honestly, I would have made the same move as JB in this case. I'm sure he was aware of the risks.

 

With all this said, it's still early in the season so it's FAR too early to be writing off Gagner just yet.  Besides that, 4 points in 11 games is still 30 points on the season - which isn't Eriksson brutal at least, and comes at half the price tag.

[gameburn]

On ‎10‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 10:18 AM, Rocksterh8 said:

Exactly how he's always played, don't expect anymore.

 

On ‎10‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 10:31 AM, Alflives said:

It's these types of signings ( soft, old, and non compete guys) that are keeping fans away.  Yes, we want to see our younger player.   

Almost a month in... you guys were right.  Gagner is a waste of space.  Would have been better off with Archibald, let alone Tanner Glass.  Goldobin offers hope and speed, Gaunce offers a heavy game... I just don't see Gagner here in May. Can he be sent to Utica?

[-AJ-]

1 hour ago, gameburn said:

 

Almost a month in... you guys were right.  Gagner is a waste of space.  Would have been better off with Archibald, let alone Tanner Glass.  Goldobin offers hope and speed, Gaunce offers a heavy game... I just don't see Gagner here in May. Can he be sent to Utica?

He can, but he's waiver-eligible. Not sure we could count in him making it through.

[higgyfan]

1 hour ago, gameburn said:

 

Almost a month in... you guys were right.  Gagner is a waste of space.  Would have been better off with Archibald, let alone Tanner Glass.  Goldobin offers hope and speed, Gaunce offers a heavy game... I just don't see Gagner here in May. Can he be sent to Utica?

Archibald is not signed with the Nucks and neither he nor Glass are the type of players that would fulfill Gags' role.  Goldy is not ready for prime time, so putting him in the lineup would only serve to rush him into a role that is over his head.  Gaunce is still on a conditioning stint.

 

Gags' role is to jump into any spot in the forward group, which makes him versatile and good for depth during injuries.  He is also proven to be very effective on the PP.  It's only been a few games and, as we all have seen, players often take some time to adjust to a new team.

 

If he hasn't picked up his game by mid December, you may be right about Gags.

[gameburn]

3 hours ago, higgyfan said:

Archibald is not signed with the Nucks and neither he nor Glass are the type of players that would fulfill Gags' role.  Goldy is not ready for prime time, so putting him in the lineup would only serve to rush him into a role that is over his head.  Gaunce is still on a conditioning stint.

 

Gags' role is to jump into any spot in the forward group, which makes him versatile and good for depth during injuries.  He is also proven to be very effective on the PP.  It's only been a few games and, as we all have seen, players often take some time to adjust to a new team.

 

If he hasn't picked up his game by mid December, you may be right about Gags.

Your points are well taken.  Frustration on our part I suppose.

[Canuck_In_Paradise]

Still early days here boys, Sam may not even have settled into the team yet. Look at what a huge difference a year can make for a player coming to a new team (Guddy- 2016 Vs 2017). He's going to be a canuck for a few years so lets support him and hope he starts putting up more points!

[Crabcakes]

Gagner is a career 15 goal, 25 assist guy (10 seasons, 142 goals, 260 assists.....the math is easy enough for CDC ) 

 

So far this year he is 1-3-4 after 12 games......extrapolating that's......7-20-27.....would be less than average but only by 1 goal.  Worried?  Why? 

 

He does a lot well.  We can't just rate him based on points.  He's versatile and can play up and down the line up.

 

Put away your pitch forks and torches.

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, Crabcakes said:

Gagner is a career 15 goal, 25 assist guy (10 seasons, 142 goals, 260 assists.....the math is easy enough for CDC ) 

 

So far this year he is 1-3-4 after 12 games......extrapolating that's......7-20-27.....would be less than average but only by 1 goal.  Worried?  Why? 

 

He does a lot well.  We can't just rate him based on points.  He's versatile and can play up and down the line up.

 

Put away your pitch forks and torches.

I'm honestly baffled by what people were expecting for $3mX 3 years.

 

No wonder portions of CDC are always leaning over the edge of a tall building. Their expectations are completely out of whack. Prospects shouldn't take time to develop, rebuilds should be done in a year, maybe two at most and Gagner should be on a 50+ scoring pace evidently.

[combover]

2 hours ago, aGENT said:

I'm honestly baffled by what people were expecting for $3mX 3 years.

 

No wonder portions of CDC are always leaning over the edge of a tall building. Their expectations are completely out of whack. Prospects shouldn't take time to develop, rebuilds should be done in a year, maybe two at most and Gagner should be on a 50+ scoring pace evidently.

I don’t think its what peoples expectations  that’s the problem it’s the fact he’s as expected yet  another third line perimeter player that doesn’t go to the net doesn’t hit and doesn’t create anything.huh sounds like an expensive Chaput. he’s been largely ineffective for the main reason he was signed PP and there’s are guys like goldie Boucher Rodin  lebate archibald and possibly gaunce that aren’t getting in because we have yet another veteran floater. When gaunce conditioning stint is over he’s up or on waivers then it’s  brumistrov whos most likely out who has also out played gagner so the 3mill is what keeps him in the line up nothing else.

1 year at 3 mill to watch him float around the perimeter or sit in the pressbox as depth would have been ample, 3 years is awful. 

Wonder how you’ll feel about him in three years when hes even less effective (hard to imagine)and still holding a roster spot.