[Rumours] Vanek

[Calvin's Dog]

On 2/7/2018 at 12:18 PM, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

Not against resigning Vanek in the off season as long as he is traded for something before the TDL. Regarding the Hutton rumor with BOS do it get a 2 or 3 round pick, and then trade Edler to Tampa convince him to waive and grab a young D, then trade Eriksson and a prospect to Arizona for Max Domi. Okay getting a little carried away lol.

I wonder if Boston is interested in Eriksson with salary retained? Reignite his career with Bergeron or Kejci?

 

Canucks eat 1.75 million?

 

Boston gets him for 4.25

 

Vanciuver gets a 4th and 5th rounder?

 

or if Hutton goes too a 2nd and a d prospect?

[rekker]

17 minutes ago, Calvin's Dog said:

I wonder if Boston is interested in Eriksson with salary retained? Reignite his career with Bergeron or Kejci?

 

Canucks eat 1.75 million?

 

Boston gets him for 4.25

 

Vanciuver gets a 4th and 5th rounder?

 

or if Hutton goes too a 2nd and a d prospect?

Doubt it. They are doing so well not sure what they need LE for. 

[JeremyCuddles]

16 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Rather get an underrated prospect like Dahlen if that's the return.

 

If Burrows can land a prospect like that I'm sure Vanek can. Just have to find the right dance partner.

Not the same situations, you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think every trade deadline trade will net the same result as Burrows. Burr's deal came with assurances that he wouldn't just be a rental, if he doesn't agree to an extension we don't get Dahlen. Burr also didn't have a reputation floating around about poor Playoff showings. Burr is also a guy you'd like to have any young players around, he battles hard and is a leader. Vanek is not Burr, don't presume he'll get the same return as a Burr. Honestly, I am beginning to wonder if Ottawa wishes they could take that deal back. I was wondering that before Burr went GSP on Taylor Hall. If we get a second rounder from anyone for Vanek I'd say we laugh all the way to the bank. 3rd rounder? Not great but it's fair. 4th and a 7th? Sure why not, we got him without spending any assets and we can get him back in the offseason if we so choose. He seems to like it here. 

[rekker]

6 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

Not the same situations, you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think every trade deadline trade will net the same result as Burrows. Burr's deal came with assurances that he wouldn't just be a rental, if he doesn't agree to an extension we don't get Dahlen. Burr also didn't have a reputation floating around about poor Playoff showings. Burr is also a guy you'd like to have any young players around, he battles hard and is a leader. Vanek is not Burr, don't presume he'll get the same return as a Burr. Honestly, I am beginning to wonder if Ottawa wishes they could take that deal back. I was wondering that before Burr went GSP on Taylor Hall. If we get a second rounder from anyone for Vanek I'd say we laugh all the way to the bank. 3rd rounder? Not great but it's fair. 4th and a 7th? Sure why not, we got him without spending any assets and we can get him back in the offseason if we so choose. He seems to like it here. 

For Vanek I originally though a fourth would be fair. Now that he has played so well and I see what the asking prices are for the likes of Kane and Nash I can see a third for Vanek. Maybe a second. 

[Me_]

Trade and re-sign in the summer.

 

Best guy to have there for Boeser and after tonight, maybe Virtanen.

[mll]

Benning doesn't know his trade value yet - says teams will start calling closer to the deadline.  Also Vanek will not make a decision before the off-season. Sounds like he is looking for term and market value.  He is also more likely to sign an extension if the Sedins return.

 

 

 

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There’s the first NHL trade-deadline wave and then there’s the second.

 

Thomas Vanek won’t be a tsunami that washes over general managers who didn’t start the Feb. 26 deadline in pursuit of the well-travelled unrestricted free agent. The Canucks’ winger is expected to be a second-wave acquisition when teams either miss on a targeted player or circle back because a division rival just landed a big fish.

It may affect the return on a player who has been everything the Canucks could have hoped for. Desperate GMs are good to deal with at the deadline. Satisfied ones aren’t.

 

There’s a wavering level of interest in the 34-year-old Vanek. He could provide depth to bonafide contenders like the Nashville Predators and the Boston Bruins or play a bigger role for those trying to get to the post-season like the Anaheim Ducks and the Columbus Blue Jackets.

 

Then again, teams could target younger UFA wingers.

 

Evander Kane (26), Patrick Maroon (29) and Michael Grabner (30) are attractive — especially if they’re long-term contractual fits and not just rentals — but that often means a big-buck commitment for players with no playoff pedigree. The mercurial Kane is coming off an expiring deal that has a US$5.25-million salary-cap hit and has yet to experience the post-season.

 

There’s also Mike Hoffman (28), who has two years left on his deal at $5.187 million that brings cost certainly, but not a guarantee of success. Which gets us back to Vanek.

 

His 38 points are more than Kane (36), Hoffman (36), Maroon (26) and Grabner (26), and only Grabner has scored more than Vanek with 21. Vanek also has more points than UFA Rick Nash, whose cap hit this season is $7.8 million for just 27 points (17-10).

 

Vanek has exceeded expectations on a one-year roll of the dice that cost but $2 million and led to productivity on the ice, leadership off it and a voice of reason in the room. He also has 34 career playoff points, including 20 goals, in 63 games. He’s big. He can stand his ground and his playmaking is often overshadowed by his heavy half-slapper and a deft touch at tipping pucks. What’s that worth?

 

“I don’t know what kind of value he’s going to have at the trade deadline,” Canucks GM Jim Benning said Monday. “Teams will call in the next seven to 10 days if they’re interested in him.”

 

That’s because GMs often lose their minds at the deadline. One player can put them over the top and one big move by a rival could push them over the edge. And that’s when the price for Vanek could go up, rather than down, and how a third-round pick could turn into a second.

 

“Maybe one team in a division loads up and it’s: ‘I’ve got to get somebody,’ ” suggested Benning. “There’s going to be a lot of wait and see.”

 

That said, the local interest in Vanek goes beyond the deadline. There is a possible scenario where the Canucks exact a reasonable return for the winger at the trade deadline and re-sign the Vienna native July 1. But it’s not that simple.

 

Vanek gave up term and money to sign a Sept. 1 deal that made moving his wife and three sons here from Minnesota a moot point. There was no time with school starting and a short turnaround time to the start of training camp. And as much as Vanek is keeping an open mind about his playing future, his representative is wary of how it could — or should — play out.

 

“Obviously, whatever we decide to do moving forward, we’re hoping it would be a more permanent situation where we’re not making a decision in September and it gives more time to make adjustments,” player agent Stephen Bartlett said Monday. “Whatever criticisms you can find of Thomas, it’s not really because of his character. The only slight negative to this year was the fact that on a one-year deal he didn’t feel like bringing his family and that’s been hard on him because he’s a family guy.

 

“The first thing we have to get through is to see if he does or doesn’t get traded. Even if he didn’t get traded, I’m not sure we would make an immediate decision — even if there was an offer. We would take our time and just kind of weigh things.”

 

Those things are considerable. There’s always money and term and family. The uncertainty of the playing future of Henrik and Daniel Sedin is another. Vanek has lauded their professionalism and when asked whether he would return to what could be a less-competitive environment next fall, he was noncommital.

 

“Maybe,” he said. “They (Sedins) are still really good and they make a lot of plays. They make this team a lot better and you have to respect their (career) decision. We’ve seen where teams can turn it around quickly like New Jersey and it will definitely have some weight in my decision.”

 

Bartlett said his client doesn’t need to be solid on the city or the direction the franchise is trying to chart. The Canucks must get younger and Vanek knows that. He also knows prime prospects might not be ready for prime time and even if they are, he has been a willing and effective mentor to the younger players, especially rookie Brock Boeser.

 

“He has really enjoyed his time in Vancouver and with the organization, teammates and the coach,” added Bartlett. “It’s all been very positive. But a lot of things could change — making sure some of the teammates you think are key are back — and those are the type of conversations I’ve had with him.”

[Gaudette Celly]

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“He has really enjoyed his time in Vancouver and with the organization, teammates and the coach,” added Bartlett. “It’s all been very positive. But a lot of things could change — making sure some of the teammates you think are key are back — and those are the type of conversations I’ve had with him.”

Hmmm, so where does he see the Sedins in that regard?

[rekker]

26 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

Hmmm, so where does he see the Sedins in that regard?

Just a hunch. I'm guessing he won't return unless the twins do. That leaves too much on his shoulders as one of the key vets. I think he likes the buffer of having the twins there. Vanek seems like the type that just wants to play. Not take on a large leadership role. Just a guess though.

[aGENT]

8 minutes ago, rekker said:

Just a hunch. I'm guessing he won't return unless the twins do. That leaves too much on his shoulders as one of the key vets. I think he likes the buffer of having the twins there. Vanek seems like the type that just wants to play. Not take on a large leadership role. Just a guess though.

And that's unfortunate as he'd be a vet guy I'd have interest in returning if the Sedins hang 'em up. 

 

I'd be just fine adding Kane and Vanek this summer, (minus the twins).

 

If no Vanek, maybe we can swing a short term deal on Hansen instead if he's willing to come back to play a depth role.

[rekker]

3 minutes ago, aGENT said:

And that's unfortunate as he'd be a vet guy I'd have interest in returning if the Sedins hang 'em up. 

 

I'd be just fine adding Kane and Vanek this summer, (minus the twins).

 

If no Vanek, maybe we can swing a short term deal on Hansen instead if he's willing to come back to play a depth role.

I'd be fine with Vanek if the twins don't return. I'm not big on a three year deal though. My guess is he wants three years and I question  where his speed and skills will be in an even quicker NHL three years from now.

[aGENT]

Just now, rekker said:

I'd be fine with Vanek if the twins don't return. I'm not big on a three year deal though. My guess is he wants three years and I question  where his speed and skills will be in an even quicker NHL three years from now.

Yeah, I'd probably do two years but three I'd be uncomfortable with.

[VegasCanuck]

3 hours ago, aGENT said:

Yeah, I'd probably do two years but three I'd be uncomfortable with.

Considering his age, I'd keep it at a 1 year commitment. We have a lot of skilled kids coming up and every year, there's guys like Vanek looking for a home, late in the summer.

 

Give him one year and if we are outside the playoffs next season, trade him again!

[aGENT]

5 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

Considering his age, I'd keep it at a 1 year commitment. We have a lot of skilled kids coming up and every year, there's guys like Vanek looking for a home, late in the summer.

 

Give him one year and if we are outside the playoffs next season, trade him again!

Then he's probably not signing with us, Sedins or not. Somebody will give him 2-3.

[VegasCanuck]

27 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Then he's probably not signing with us, Sedins or not. Somebody will give him 2-3.

Maybe, but they didn't last year. Its getting harder and harder for these guys to find a place with teams. Everyone is pushing younger.

[Gaudette Celly]

Bringing the Sedins and Vanek back for another season means a wasted year of the rebuild, unless other pieces are moved.  Roster spots are the issue.

[MoneypuckOverlord]

On 2/11/2018 at 5:16 AM, DeNiro said:

Rather get an underrated prospect like Dahlen if that's the return.

 

If Burrows can land a prospect like that I'm sure Vanek can. Just have to find the right dance partner.

amen. 

 

not to mention I think Vanek at this time holds more value then Burrows a year ago. Vanek is producing while playing 11 minutes per night.

[flickyoursedin]

1 hour ago, MoneypuckOverlord said:

amen. 

 

not to mention I think Vanek at this time holds more value then Burrows a year ago. Vanek is producing while playing 11 minutes per night.

I hate the guys that point out Vanek is producing the same as last year and last year only fetched a 3rd and an AHL dman. Last year Vanek should have got more Holland just didn’t get the right deal. Last year I would’ve rather had Vanek over Burrows. Both traded but I’d rather have Burrows return over Vaneks.

[Nave]

7 hours ago, Hutton Wink said:

Bringing the Sedins and Vanek back for another season means a wasted year of the rebuild, unless other pieces are moved.  Roster spots are the issue.

I don't see it that way. Bringing the Sedins and Vanek back is key to having a good power play again. I say resign them, and bring in Pettersson. 
The Sedins can mentor Pettersson, and Vanek can continue to mentor Boeser. 

[HorvatToBaertschi]

37 minutes ago, NaveJoseph said:

I don't see it that way. Bringing the Sedins and Vanek back is key to having a good power play again. I say resign them, and bring in Pettersson. 
The Sedins can mentor Pettersson, and Vanek can continue to mentor Boeser. 

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2014: 15.2% 26th

2015: 19.3% (9th)

2016: 15.8% 27th

2017:  14.1% 29th

2018 so far: 21.2% 12th

 

 

[teepain]

Trade and resign vanek