DownUndaCanuck Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Tampa should go all in. TO OTT: 1st round pick 2018, 1st round pick in 2019 + Point + Cal Foote TO TBL: Karlsson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 19 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Tampa should go all in. TO OTT: 1st round pick 2018, 1st round pick in 2019 + Point + Cal Foote TO TBL: Karlsson Point is a HUGE loss for them up front. No way they trade him. Not to mention, it doesn't address the need to create cap space to add EK. If it happens, someone like Tyler Johnson will likely go the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 hour ago, D-Money said: Point is a HUGE loss for them up front. No way they trade him. Not to mention, it doesn't address the need to create cap space to add EK. If it happens, someone like Tyler Johnson will likely go the other way. From what I’ve heard, which literally means nothing as it’s speculation to begin with, but Point would have to be included for Karlsson to be moved. Now, I don’t see them adding in Foote if trading Point and two first round picks. However, I could understand from Ottawa’s POV why that’s what it would take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, Monty said: From what I’ve heard, which literally means nothing as it’s speculation to begin with, but Point would have to be included for Karlsson to be moved. Now, I don’t see them adding in Foote if trading Point and two first round picks. However, I could understand from Ottawa’s POV why that’s what it would take. If I'm Tampa, I pass on that. But I'd certainly consider involving Segachev. EDIT: The thing with Point is, he's cheap next year too. The whole point of adding Karlsson is to go for a run this year and next. Someone who needs a raise next year (Namestnikov), or is already pricey (Johnson, Palat) fits their window far more. I'd be looking at trading one of those guys and a ton of futures rather than give up a cheap core player like Point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 This is the kind of trade that teams come to regret. You better hope it gives you a Cup in the near term because when you extend him for a max term deal at huge dollars, you arr going to be stuck with it for a long time. Ottawa got almost all, if not all his best years. They are smart for trying to get a massive haul now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 38 minutes ago, Provost said: This is the kind of trade that teams come to regret. You better hope it gives you a Cup in the near term because when you extend him for a max term deal at huge dollars, you arr going to be stuck with it for a long time. Ottawa got almost all, if not all his best years. They are smart for trying to get a massive haul now. If Tampa (or any other team) trades for him, they’d have no problem giving the best defenseman in the NHL, who’s only 27 years old, max term and dollars. In 5 years time, every team will have at least one $10M+ contract on their roster. And having quite literally the best defenseman on your roster who will be in his prime until he’s 35 years old is a pretty easy decision to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, Monty said: If Tampa (or any other team) trades for him, they’d have no problem giving the best defenseman in the NHL, who’s only 27 years old, max term and dollars. In 5 years time, every team will have at least one $10M+ contract on their roster. And having quite literally the best defenseman on your roster who will be in his prime until he’s 35 years old is a pretty easy decision to make. Well it is a really big stretch to say that he will be in his prime until he is 35, it just doesn’t happen often. Karlsson has logged a lot of minutes and has a lot of mileage on him, so the odds are stacked against him. $13 million x 8 years means half or more of the contract will be overpaying for past performance. Ask Montréal how it is going with perennial Norris candidate Weber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Provost said: Well it is a really big stretch to say that he will be in his prime until he is 35, it just doesn’t happen often. Karlsson has logged a lot of minutes and has a lot of mileage on him, so the odds are stacked against him. $13 million x 8 years means half or more of the contract will be overpaying for past performance. Ask Montréal how it is going with perennial Norris candidate Weber. Love Karlsson as a player before the ankle issues. Like Karlsson now. Will detest Karlsson in within 5 years. Any team giving up serious assets to get him is stupid, unless it is a team that can win a Cup now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Provost said: Well it is a really big stretch to say that he will be in his prime until he is 35, it just doesn’t happen often. Karlsson has logged a lot of minutes and has a lot of mileage on him, so the odds are stacked against him. $13 million x 8 years means half or more of the contract will be overpaying for past performance. Ask Montréal how it is going with perennial Norris candidate Weber. The issue with Weber isn’t that he isn’t worth his AAV or that he’s not a terrific defenseman anymore. And the issue isn’t that he’s 32 with only 3 years left on his contract. That would be fine. The issue with Weber is that his contract takes him until he’s 40. If 35, then his contract would be fine. Now, if we’re talking about what Montreal gave up for him, that’s an entirely different story. As for Karlsson, he’s 27 and still the best defenseman in the NHL. He’s not in his back 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, Monty said: The issue with Weber isn’t that he isn’t worth his AAV or that he’s not a terrific defenseman anymore. And the issue isn’t that he’s 32 with only 3 years left on his contract. That would be fine. The issue with Weber is that his contract takes him until he’s 40. If 35, then his contract would be fine. Now, if we’re talking about what Montreal gave up for him, that’s an entirely different story. As for Karlsson, he’s 27 and still the best defenseman in the NHL. He’s not in his back 9. Or that Montreal is just a disaster One top 10 D can't fix that mess on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, aGENT said: Or that Montreal is just a disaster One top 10 D can't fix that mess on his own. And that’s other thing. That’s why I’m not quite sure why Weber was brought up to begin with. He’s not 27 and Erik Karlsson is an entirely different type of defenseman. But yeah, Montreal is a tire fire. Aside from having some absolutely terrible drafting passed the 1st round, the trades that Bergevin has orchestrated have been mind boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, Monty said: The issue with Weber isn’t that he isn’t worth his AAV or that he’s not a terrific defenseman anymore. And the issue isn’t that he’s 32 with only 3 years left on his contract. That would be fine. The issue with Weber is that his contract takes him until he’s 40. If 35, then his contract would be fine. Now, if we’re talking about what Montreal gave up for him, that’s an entirely different story. As for Karlsson, he’s 27 and still the best defenseman in the NHL. He’s not in his back 9. He will be 29 when his inevitable 8 year extension starts, that doesn't add up to 35 by the end of it. Fine if you think you can win right now and pay the price later, but don't pretend he is going to be a good value for most of that contract... very few players maintain the production into their 30's with the way the game is played now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, Provost said: He will be 29 when his inevitable 8 year extension starts, that doesn't add up to 35 by the end of it. Fine if you think you can win right now and pay the price later, but don't pretend he is going to be a good value for most of that contract... very few players maintain the production into their 30's with the way the game is played now. You’re right. Forgot about when the extension kicks in. Would take him until he’s 37. However, I don’t think it’s a stretch to think the most elite defenseman around will be worth the money and still producing when he’s 34 years old (which would be most of the contract). He’s not going to fall off a cliff offensively or defensively. And defenseman last longer. You’re free to feel otherwise. Agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 13 hours ago, Monty said: You’re right. Forgot about when the extension kicks in. Would take him until he’s 37. However, I don’t think it’s a stretch to think the most elite defenseman around will be worth the money and still producing when he’s 34 years old (which would be most of the contract). He’s not going to fall off a cliff offensively or defensively. And defenseman last longer. You’re free to feel otherwise. Agree to disagree. One of his worst seasons offensively (not bad, just not to par from years past) and defensively (-30, because Methot is gone?) after a surgery that could affect his skating (could deteriorate sooner with age) has got to worry teams thinking long term for him. He will be a game changer until the end of his current contract, but you'd have to be weary of an extension of what he would like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silky mitts Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 jeez lol if that’s true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobSacamano Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 31 minutes ago, Silky mitts said: jeez lol if that’s true That’s one hell of an Uber ride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 46 minutes ago, Silky mitts said: jeez lol if that’s true Go home melnyk. We think we have it bad with the aquilinis yeesh sens fans have it soooo much worse with this egotistical, over controlling, cliche billionaire D-bag pretty much calling the shots on all hockey operations which is why they are a steaming mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson-JH Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 16 hours ago, SunnyHours said: That’s one hell of an Uber ride! Did they use that ride from NYC to Buffalo?! Jeezus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 As per Garrioch. Vegas now in the EK sweepstakes. Yip. Makes total sense to me. They easily have the assets. He would flourish there. They can afford him. My money is on LVK sealing the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthycanuck Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 On 2/22/2018 at 9:32 AM, BabychStache said: Odd idea came to mind today, but would the Caps have an interest/ability to land EK? Can you imagine that PP? Wow. A 1st and the goalie Samsonov would be the starting point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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