[Rumour] Oilers may consider trading first round pick

[JeremyCuddles]

We have nothing they could use to get back to the playoffs. Baer is a very slight upgrade on what they have, we have no offensive d-men, Tanev/Edler are NOT enough for a top 10 pick. They could use a Boeser, but I would say hell no to trading Boeser for their 1st and the next 2 years 1st round picks too. If Chia goes FULL Chia we may be able to net that pick, I doubt it though. Every team in the league smells blood in the water with Edmonton. We'll get outbid. I bet Snow was the first to call about that pick.

 

Edit: For the sake of putting a half assed proposal out there they'd probably look at taking Edler, a 2nd rounder and someone like Dahlen for that pick. A top 4 D-man that can hit you up for 30-40 points, plays in all areas of the game and a potentially NHL ready Winger that can maybe be a top 6 winger for them. Then we likely take back some cap. Edler does everything Tanev does, except he also provides offense. And he is healthier. I think Tanev's health has all but diminished his value. Look at all the fans practically throwing him in every proposal. He's so banged up even we are afraid of keeping him.

[Stelar]

7 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Maybe the Avs will trade Barrie? They've got a pretty good Dman coming up (Makar). And then with the extra 1st+ they should do well, as they would have picks #9 and #16 this year.

If Nashville is the model, why would they trade Barrie?  You need numerous good offensive D men, not just one. 

[Stelar]

4 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

We have nothing they could use to get back to the playoffs. Baer is a very slight upgrade on what they have, we have no offensive d-men, Tanev/Edler are NOT enough for a top 10 pick. They could use a Boeser, but I would say hell no to trading Boeser for their 1st and the next 2 years 1st round picks too. If Chia goes FULL Chia we may be able to net that pick, I doubt it though. Every team in the league smells blood in the water with Edmonton. We'll get outbid. I bet Snow was the first to call about that pick.

Snow could probably get Chia to take Leddy for that pick.

[Bure_Pavel]

6 minutes ago, mll said:

If they can't find what they want - they'll simply keep their pick.  They want offence from their Ds and there's no reason for them to bring in a D that doesn't provide offence. 

We'll see but if the Edmonton doesnt make the playoffs Chia likely get fired, and Tanev would be a huge boost to any team. 

[b3.]

Griffin Reinhardt?

 

Spoiler

 

[JeremyCuddles]

4 minutes ago, Stelar said:

Snow could probably get Chia to take Leddy for that pick.

27 years old, 42 points. wouldn't be terrible. Better than picking up Tanev who almost has less games played than Leddy has points. Lol.

[Warhippy]

14 minutes ago, mll said:

 

Nashville is not going to be trading one of their Ds anytime soon - why would they.  Poile has already said that his roster is set for the next few years.  

He also said Seth Jones was going to be a cornerstone of the franchise.  Weber was going to be their defenseman of the future.  Suter was not going anywhere.

 

When you've the best and deepest D in the league with 3 potential top pairing dmen on at least 10-15 teams in the league and their average age is now 28 years old you're looking at getting younger.  Them picking up a Boqvist, Hughes, Bouchard, Dobson allows them to leave that player to marinate for 2-4 years without taking much away from their roster at all with prospects like Fabbro sitting in the wings and guys like Carrier in the AHL

 

They'd not suffer short term much at all honestly.  

[smithers joe]

maybe if we throw in higgins. the only players that edmonton would want from us, we don't want to move...boeser, pettersson or horvat.  we don't have a D they would want. 

[Pears]

If we took Lucic’s contract on, would that be enough to get that pick? 

[Nucker 67]

to EDM: Del Zotto ($3), Sutter ($4.375), Brisebois, 5th (2018) = $7.375

to VAN: 1st (2018), RNH ($6), Sekera ($5.5) = $11.5

 

cap dump

 

Of course, Del Zotto isn't exactly Barrie or Karlsson (not even close), but they get an offensive type Dman in his prime, plus a good veteran C for their 3rd line, and a good D prospect. But they would also shed almost $4 million in salary next year. McDavid's giant contract kicks in next year, and they will need to do something to shed salary. I'm not sure they can afford to bring in Barrie or Karlsson, unless they trade Draisaitl.

[SliteriousBlackbeard]

Every team says this. Every teams pick is in play for the right offer lol. 

[mll]

45 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

He also said Seth Jones was going to be a cornerstone of the franchise.  Weber was going to be their defenseman of the future.  Suter was not going anywhere.

 

When you've the best and deepest D in the league with 3 potential top pairing dmen on at least 10-15 teams in the league and their average age is now 28 years old you're looking at getting younger.  Them picking up a Boqvist, Hughes, Bouchard, Dobson allows them to leave that player to marinate for 2-4 years without taking much away from their roster at all with prospects like Fabbro sitting in the wings and guys like Carrier in the AHL

 

They'd not suffer short term much at all honestly.  

 

Suter is still getting booed in Nashville each time he plays there.  He made them believe he was going to re-sign with them and then left to sign in Minnesota as a UFA.

 

Weber was under Trotz.  After missing the playoffs in 2014 Poile decided it was time to go out of his comfort zone and try for a more offensive style of play so he brought in Laviolette.  Poile says his role is to bring in players that fit how Laviolette wants to play - they have aligned everything to his system.  Weber was useful for the transition but ultimately he is not the kind of D that fits the Laviolette system.  It's actually in the playoffs that it became apparent.  Anaheim talked about how they only had to focus on Josi because Weber doesn't carry the puck in so they kept on being sent back into their own zone and spent more time defending than going on the attack.  

 

Nashville doesn't want their Ds to simply make a 1st pass - they want to attack as a 5 men unit and want their Ds up in the o-zone.  They say if their Ds are not part of the attack it's as if they are playing short-handed because teams are defending at 5.  They want their Ds to be able to cycle with the Fs to keep possession in the o-zone - that's not Weber.

 

As for Jones, Poile admitted that they had no choice.  They were stagnating because they couldn't match up well against other teams because of their weakness at C.  He talked about how he had been looking for a C1 ever since the inception of the franchise (17 years at the time of the trade).  Jones dropped in 2013 - they were actually expecting to draft Barkov at 4th.

Carrier lacks foot speed and it's going to be an issue for him to make the team.  It's probably why they extended Weber, Irwin and Bitetto.  Fabbro still needs some development time - they see his arrival in about 2 seasons (Poile talked of 4 years at the draft).  

 

[Sundstrom17]

18 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

to EDM: Del Zotto ($3), Sutter ($4.375), Brisebois, 5th (2018) = $7.375

to VAN: 1st (2018), RNH ($6), Sekera ($5.5) = $11.5

 

cap dump

 

Of course, Del Zotto isn't exactly Barrie or Karlsson (not even close), but they get an offensive type Dman in his prime, plus a good veteran C for their 3rd line, and a good D prospect. But they would also shed almost $4 million in salary next year. McDavid's giant contract kicks in next year, and they will need to do something to shed salary. I'm not sure they can afford to bring in Barrie or Karlsson, unless they trade Draisaitl.

Edm would not give away RNH to a Division rival for our scraps... unfortunately. RNH would have to be in the deal for Barrie or Karlsson though. Take out Sutter and RNH and the deal would make more sense For Edm...and the 5th would have to be a 3rd.

[JM_]

3 hours ago, CanuckinEdm said:

Oilers first round this year will be going for Karlsson or OEL 

yup. Edmonton has the assets to get either one. But it sounds like EK isn't going to be moved at least not at the draft. It sounds like OEL is a core guy for AZ too.

 

Maybe Edmonton has a better chance at pulling off a sign and trade with Washington for Carlson that involves moving EDMs 1st. 

 

The only thing Edmonton would want from us is Boeser, and flow no go. 

 

 

 

[Sundstrom17]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

yup. Edmonton has the assets to get either one. But it sounds like EK isn't going to be moved at least not at the draft. It sounds like OEL is a core guy for AZ too.

 

Maybe Edmonton has a better chance at pulling off a sign and trade with Washington for Carlson that involves moving EDMs 1st.

 

 

Maybe a similar trade with Wash...

 

to Edm: Holtby

and

to Wash: Talbot and Edm's 1st Round pick?

[JM_]

1 minute ago, Sundstrom17 said:

Maybe a similar trade with Wash...

 

to Edm: Holtby

and

to Wash: Talbot and Edm's 1st Round pick?

I agree something has to be done about Talbot... maybe if Grubauer is ready to take on more games. 

[Keenan's Moustache]

3 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Going humongous-big as the universe:

 

EDM:Lucic ..6 mill x 5 yrs

Sekeras  ..5.5 mill x 3 yrs

Khaira  under a mill

2018 1st

2019 3rd(they have an extra)

 

VAN: Tanev  Hutton  $2.8 mill x 1 yr

MDZ  $3 mill x 1 yr

Gags(for ol'times, eh?)  Ericksson ($1 mill retained annual, so $5 mill x 4 yr, and more mobile winger for McDavid)

Granlund, and/or Gaunce  2018 2nd

 

= money's almost equal. Next summer when Edler's contract expires, it'll help handle 2 more yrs of Sekeras(a pretty good serviceable D-man). 

 

2 first rounders(top-10) & way more size.

In addition, MDZ is worth about a 3rd rounder, Hutton is cheaper, younger, and more mobile than Sekeras, Ericksson, with $1mill retain, will be cheaper and more mobile than Lucic, and the 2nd still gives the Oilers a pick for the 2018 draft.  While giving OIlers some cap flexibility with the 1 yr deals remaining on Hutton and MDZ (about $6mill).

 

Flame away!! 

[Wilbur]

4 hours ago, Tre Mac said:

Incoming flood of proposals on how JB could acquire that pick.

 

Nucks need to identify(or guess) who will be next year's Edmonton, a team everyone thinks will be a lock but will end up a lottery team.

 

 

 

 

Followed by rage when a trade doesn't happen because JB couldn't convince Ciarelli Tanev is better than OEL (or Tanev refuses to waive to go to Edmonton, take your pick)

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, mll said:

 

Nashville is not going to be trading one of their Ds anytime soon - why would they.  Poile has already said that his roster is set for the next few years.  

Ellis is UFA in 2019 and they have Fabbro on the way.

 

As for everyone's Tanev to EDM proposals, they already have a similar player. Now Tanev to NYI or PHI for one of their 2 firsts and maybe we're talking...

[mll]

7 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Ellis is UFA in 2019 and they have Fabbro on the way.

 

As for everyone's Tanev to EDM proposals, they already have a similar player. Now Tanev to NYI or PHI for one of their 2 firsts and maybe we're talking...

They can talk about an extension with Ellis this summer already.  Fabbro will allow them to move one their top-Ds once he is proven but until then they'll try and keep their top-4 intact (although with Poile one could go the other way to get Karlsson re the rumours at the TDL that they were in on Karlsson - unclear how serious/advanced the discussion were).