Watchincanucks Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 If a vet does not make the team, the trade them becomes get rid of the player. A Gm that got Tyler Motte for Vanek at a time that had lots of leverage, with a player who performed very well, and that is all he got. You think that same GM is going to get something of value for a player that does not make the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said: I have no interest in rosterbation at this point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 48 minutes ago, Watchincanucks said: A Gm that got Tyler Motte for Vanek at a time that had lots of leverage, Vanek has a history of vanishing in the playoffs, just like he did after the trade from the Canucks. Other GMs are aware of that history, thus Motte is who came back for him. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=65958 36 points in 69 playoff games, Vanek is 34yrs old http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=145528 Motte is 23. Good trade by JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Watchincanucks said: If a vet does not make the team, the trade them becomes get rid of the player. A Gm that got Tyler Motte for Vanek at a time that had lots of leverage, with a player who performed very well, and that is all he got. You think that same GM is going to get something of value for a player that does not make the team? Sounds like you know nothing about Motte - or had absurd expectations of a Vanek rental return. You also don't know who will make the team so spare yourself the premature drama. Green will know when he knows - and then you'll know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimmy Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Watchincanucks said: So Jay Beagle is only on the team if he impresses in preseason? Someone would need to outperform Jay Beagle in the pre-season (doing all the things that a Jay Beagle does on the ice and in the dressing room) and then you would have to trust that he wold be able to maintain that performance for the next couple of years. Who do you suggest fits the bill? If he was already there only a fool would have signed Jay Beagle in the first place. Maybe you can help JB out with your roster knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacious Crumb Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 6 hours ago, Watchincanucks said: So you would prefer to fill the lineup with character vets and mentor ship program, with players that will not be around with the Canucks in 3 years, when we will be good enough to make playoffs. Players that could make an impact, are an ok casualty of building the right way according to you. If Goldobin is waived and scores 30 goals, like Grabner did after being traded by Canucks to Florida, that’s ok that’s the cost of your mentor ship program? I call it a failure! It took being waived through the league for Grabner to “get it”, not being part of the Ballard trade. Are you Oncewasacanucksfan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirotashi Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Step back everyone while the OP amazes us with his powers of psychic foresight. Be AMAZED as he foretells us the future which NO OTHER NORMAL PERSON could possibly know. Be DAZZELED as he knows the future outcome of ALL ROOKIES and draft picks. "Anyone can do that" you say ahhh yes but can you do it with ZERO empirical data? Can you do as the OP does and actually say you know now the results of things that can only be known in the future. HE IS NO TROLL, in NO WAY is he trying to add on to our troubles in a time were there are some lingering questions after Linden left. NO. WAY. He is here to usher in the age of understanding. The age of enlightenment. Please OP who will win the Stanley Cup next year? Will Vegas be in the playoffs? Will the Leafs get to the second round? PLEASE GOD tell me the cost as I will gladly pay as long as its not...……………………………………………………………………….my own very soul! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchincanucks Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Ok so according to everyone here Jim Benning is best GM in the league. Even though we have the worst record in the entire NHL over the last 3 years. That he is the best at drafting, which I admit is his biggest strength, but our rookies are not ready but other teams like Colorado Toronto New Jersey have made way bigger improvements playing young players. Critiquing the signings of 4th line players to long term contracts worth 8 mill per year is crazy. That making trades or expecting him to know who might likely make the team can only be determined by a few games in preseason. You’re all crazy!!! Nobody in hockey likes the signings including our former president that quit because of them. Not wasting my time trying to explain how rebuilds actually work, by actually using facts and examples because you think that the Benning model is better than the one used successfully repeatedly is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 25 minutes ago, Watchincanucks said: Ok so according to everyone here Jim Benning is best GM in the league. Troll confirmed, ignore activated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 6 hours ago, Watchincanucks said: So Jay Beagle is only on the team if he impresses in preseason? Beagle will be on the roster because we have no prospect that can come close to what he brings. Golden boy isn't competing for a bottom 6 role. Some simply take too long to get it, as in there's more to the game than just offense. That's where Goldy is. Be prepared to see him hit waivers if he can't be traded. It's what I expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Watchincanucks said: Ok so according to everyone here Jim Benning is best GM in the league. No, but he's a hell of a lot smarter than you. 2 hours ago, Watchincanucks said: Even though we have the worst record in the entire NHL over the last 3 years. Typically happens with rebuilding teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 11 hours ago, gurn said: Troll confirmed, ignore activated. Well at least one other person figured it out and did the right thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchincanucks Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 12 hours ago, Baggins said: No, but he's a hell of a lot smarter than you. Typically happens with rebuilding teams. So Edmonton was a failure for finishing last for 3 years but the Canucks aren’t? No it does not typically happen with rebuilds just look at Toronto New Jersey Colorado. They made huge improvements by trading vets and bringing in young players, not going out and signing vets to long term deals to play on forth line. It seems tough to finish worse than last to me, and maybe the rebuild on the fly is the wrong approach. Canucks have spent near the cap and have a worse record over last 3 years than Arizona, a team near the bottom in spending as well as every other team. Cap teams should not be that bad, it is a sure sign of mismanagement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Watchincanucks said: So Edmonton was a failure for finishing last for 3 years but the Canucks aren’t? No it does not typically happen with rebuilds just look at Toronto New Jersey Colorado. They made huge improvements by trading vets and bringing in young players, not going out and signing vets to long term deals to play on forth line. It seems tough to finish worse than last to me, and maybe the rebuild on the fly is the wrong approach. Canucks have spent near the cap and have a worse record over last 3 years than Arizona, a team near the bottom in spending as well as every other team. Cap teams should not be that bad, it is a sure sign of mismanagement. The failure is this management team now needs to be blown up. There is so much confusion. Even though Linden was not experienced it was his status in Vancouver that propped him up and he leveraged that position. His abrupt departure has disrupted and embarrassed this franchise. His name will always be connected to the three or more worst years in Canuck history. Over the last 4 years up to February, how many incidents of ownership inclusion is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: His name will always be connected to the three or more worst years in Canuck history. This would be true for folks that only follow season ending standings. Some would look at the draft picks, prospects and reduction in NTC players to say the organization is heading the right way, thus not as bad as when they were heading downward and had no prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: The failure is this management team now needs to be blown up. There is so much confusion. Even though Linden was not experienced it was his status in Vancouver that propped him up and he leveraged that position. His abrupt departure has disrupted and embarrassed this franchise. His name will always be connected to the three or more worst years in Canuck history. Over the last 4 years up to February, how many incidents of ownership inclusion is there? Yawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchincanucks Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 4 hours ago, gurn said: This would be true for folks that only follow season ending standings. Some would look at the draft picks, prospects and reduction in NTC players to say the organization is heading the right way, thus not as bad as when they were heading downward and had no prospects. Fewer players with NTC Benning has given 1 to Sutter, Eriksson, and Edler has one m-ntc to Tanev Roussel and Beagle. Just because the Sedins retired does not mean you give Benning credit for anything there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchincanucks Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 The Canucks best signing last year was Thomas Vanek, this year that could have been Patrick Maroon. Maroon could have provided protection for young players, offence that can and has moved up and down lineups. He was signed for 1 year 1.75 million in St Louis. Now maybe to get him we have to give him Tim Schaller money, can’t believe I just said that, Benning just seems so desperate to get his guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Watchincanucks said: . Maroon could have provided protection for young players, Hilarious thing - 'round two' was every bit as bad. Why do you think no one gave Maroon more than 1yr x 1.75? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchincanucks Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Patrick Maroon 6’3 225 lbs career stats 375 games played 78 goals 100 assists 178 points +12 451 pim Antoine Roussel 5’11 195 lbs career stats 413 games played 64 goals 77 assists 141 points -5 806 pim last year Maroon gp 74,17 goals, 26 assists, 43 points, 73 pim Roussel gp 73, 5 goals, 12 assists, 17 points, 126 pim so was Roussel really worth almost twice as much for 4 times as long? Personally don’t mind Roussel but players his size don’t really strike fear in anyone. Pests are annoying to other teams but I would prefer a deterrent. Someone feared, now maybe people don’t fear Maroon but no one really fears Roussel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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