kingofsurrey Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, King Heffy said: And yet Schaller asked Guddy to go anyway. How many guys will do that? Only very dumb players would ask Guddy to go..... Basically putting your career on the line... Guddy has serious TKO power. Regardless at 28 yrs old next month.... Schaller is basically AHL plug.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, King Heffy said: And yet Schaller asked Guddy to go anyway. How many guys will do that? Exactly. At least he stands up for a teammate regardless of size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Basically yet another older AHL player that Canucks signed to play on the team. Pointless signing. Agreed... (Schaller) Some people don't get that here tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, DarthMelvin said: Agreed... (Schaller) Some people don't get that here tho... 2 year contract LOL.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: 2 year contract LOL.... Schaller - 1.9 mill a year 2 years 27y Grandlund - 1.45 one year 25y Gagner - 3.1 mill a year 2 years reamaining 29y Looking at this you can see why they would waive Gagner. You wanna stay at a cheap motel... get what ya pay for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 5 hours ago, DarthMelvin said: Shaller and Grandlund did nothing in the preseason, these 2 have been invisible this season so far. Gagner got a goal. So I would say greed has a lil bit to do with it. 4 hours ago, GreyHatnDart said: Schaller outscored Gagner last year, as a 4th line grinder. He plays a heavier game and will defend his teammates. He is a much better fit for our bottom 6 than Gagner is. Horvat scored last night. I don’t think he’d say he’s been playing his best hockey so far this season. A goal in the preseason doesn’t mean FA if you’re lackadaisical in the rest of your play. Your point about greed makes literally no sense. This board spent the year bitching about us not having enough depth when injuries hit and now we actually have some madeup of actual NHL players and Benning’s “greedy”. Okay then pal. 4 hours ago, DarthMelvin said: If you want to talk stats... Gagner is not that far behind Schaller... regardless of line mates. Schaller - 2017-18 Boston Bruins NHL 82 12 10 22 42 -5 11 0 2 2 2 Gagner - 2017-18 Vancouver Canucks NHL 74 10 21 31 35 -18 -- -- -- -- -- Grandlund - 2017-18 Vancouver Canucks NHL 53 8 4 12 8 -10 Whats sad is that both players played significantly less games that Schaller. I have no bones about Horvat scoring not scoring so I dont know why you would even bring him up. Placing Gagner on waivers is about the 3 mill in his contract. these 2 did shiz in the preseason and they are doing shiz in the regular season. Yet Gagner is the leading scorer for the Marlies. I wouldn't doubt he is hoping to be traded from this doomed team. 4 hours ago, HerrDrFunk said: Isn't Schaller supposed to be a 4th line checker and PKer? Isn't Gagner supposed to be a middle six PP specialist? I hope Gagner gets traded too. It'd be nice to get at least a late round pick for a guy who cost nothing but cap to acquire. 3 hours ago, GreyHatnDart said: With plenty of power play time for Gagner and not a whole lot to show for it. As I said, Schaller fits the bottom 6 dynamic far far better than Gagner ever will, and he’s not good enough to crack our top 6 currently. We can’t trade him, so we waived him. Pretty simple. I brought Horvat up because you used Gagner’s goal in preseason as a reason to keep him in the lineup, as if that makes any sense. Difference between the two is Horvat brings far more to the table than Gagner, which is why he’s still there. The Canucks still have to pay him that money, it’s a one-way contract. The only difference is we save just over a million in cap, which at this point makes little difference as we have plenty of room anyways. The money has literally nothing to do with him being waived. He got waived because he got outplayed by other players and Green and Benning are sticking to their words that nearly everyone is on notice. 3 hours ago, DarthMelvin said: Horvat is a totally different player here. Do you think The Canucks wanted Gagner to be sent to the Marlies or to another team?...and as per the "stats" he was one of the better players in the preseason. If Benning is sticking to his word...why is Granny and Schaller still here....3 games in the regular season...all of preseason..and Gagner the only producer here. 3 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Listen Sam. You were waived because you just didn't cut it anymore. You didn't fit into the team dynamic. You're not talented or dynamic enough to be in the top 6, and far too passive and lazy a player to cut it in the bottom 6. You're the meaning of mediocrity in hockey, and are now where you belong, in the AHL. Maybe close your CDC account and get over your dismissal. Move on, mopey. 10 minutes ago, DarthMelvin said: Schaller - 1.9 mill a year 2 years 27y Grandlund - 1.45 one year 25y Gagner - 3.1 mill a year 2 years reamaining 29y Looking at this you can see why they would waive Gagner. You wanna stay at a cheap motel... get what ya pay for... Lol DM's posting in this thread reminds me of this Zoolander Scene: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doobiedoodoo Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Leafs just tying to hype him up so they can trade the Canucks Nylander for Gagner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'NucK™ Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 21 minutes ago, DarthMelvin said: Schaller - 1.9 mill a year 2 years 27y Grandlund - 1.45 one year 25y Gagner - 3.1 mill a year 2 years reamaining 29y Looking at this you can see why they would waive Gagner. You wanna stay at a cheap motel... get what ya pay for... wtf is your point??? that they wanted to save some $$? you really are clueless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 51 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Basically yet another older AHL player that Canucks signed to play on the team. Wrong. Boston loved the guy, and were very upset to see him go. He had 16 goals with them and according to some in the organization, made up one of the better fourth lines in the league. 51 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Pointless signing. Yeah....no. 51 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: If you want some comedy.... google the time Schaller asked Guddy to go..... I think Schaller crapped his pants when he realized what he had signed up for with Guddy.... Schaller asked Gudbranson to go because Gudbranson had just flattened Frank Vatrano against the boards. Vatrano kept his head down and altered his positioning so that as Gudbranson approached he got him in the numbers. Schaller stood up for Vatrano like a good teammate and took on Gudbranson, who seemed somewhat upset that he had injured Vatrano. Albeit Vatrano returned later on that game. So no, Schaller is a very good depth signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 5 hours ago, GreyHatnDart said: Schaller outscored Gagner last year, as a 4th line grinder. He plays a heavier game and will defend his teammates. He is a much better fit for our bottom 6 than Gagner is. Horvat scored last night. I don’t think he’d say he’s been playing his best hockey so far this season. A goal in the preseason doesn’t mean FA if you’re lackadaisical in the rest of your play. Your point about greed makes literally no sense. This board spent the year bitching about us not having enough depth when injuries hit and now we actually have some madeup of actual NHL players and Benning’s “greedy”. Okay then pal. Maybe you can ask google to see if Schaller really outscored Gagner before you post incorrect information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: So no, Schaller is a very good AHL quality depth signing. Heh, fixed it for you. One decent NHL season in Boston does not make a career..... The guy is over age AHL quality player that had one flukey year last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Heh, fixed it for you. One decent NHL season in Boston does not make a career..... The guy is over age AHL quality player that had one flukey year last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, Aladeen said: Lol DM's posting in this thread reminds me of this Zoolander Scene: Ok who let the Mafia Thread boys in here...? jk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogersTowell Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 The problem for Gagner is that he had no 'spot' on the team. He's a middle six player who is not terribly defensively minded and has some powerplay potential. The powerplay is pretty much populated by LE and younger Canucks who need the development time in the bigs. The bottom six on this team is pretty much two checking/energy lines - not a fit. There's no room on the top six. BBB and GPE have those pretty much sewn up. Granlund can play up and down the line up on the wing or at center. He can PK, he can PP. He's not a star by any means offensively, and here Gagner has the edge, but overall he is the more useful player to the team. Of course he did pot 20 goals 2 seasons ago, so you expect there's a decent chance he can play top 6 just fine if needed. Schaller plays minutes that Gagner can't. He grinds it out, plays a physical game and forechecks hard. He fits the lines that the Canucks have on the bottom 6 and Gagner doesn't. This is not to say that Gagner is not a good player - he is. But the direction the team is going in doesn't really fit him unless someone like Goldobin gets injured (in which case I'd argue we'd be better off seeing Dahlen or another developing player be called up). He might be a better fit in MTL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 53 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said: wtf is your point??? that they wanted to save some $$? you really are clueless... Why save money... When you can make money with a winning team LOL You are the clueless one here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'NucK™ Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, DarthMelvin said: Why save money... When you can make money with a winning team LOL You are the clueless one here... Ya I guess I am..... still have no idea why you posted their salaries and contract lengths, and what that has to do with who was waived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, RogersTowell said: The problem for Gagner is that he had no 'spot' on the team. He's a middle six player who is not terribly defensively minded and has some powerplay potential. The powerplay is pretty much populated by LE and younger Canucks who need the development time in the bigs. The bottom six on this team is pretty much two checking/energy lines - not a fit. There's no room on the top six. BBB and GPE have those pretty much sewn up. Granlund can play up and down the line up on the wing or at center. He can PK, he can PP. He's not a star by any means offensively, and here Gagner has the edge, but overall he is the more useful player to the team. Of course he did pot 20 goals 2 seasons ago, so you expect there's a decent chance he can play top 6 just fine if needed. Schaller plays minutes that Gagner can't. He grinds it out, plays a physical game and forechecks hard. He fits the lines that the Canucks have on the bottom 6 and Gagner doesn't. This is not to say that Gagner is not a good player - he is. But the direction the team is going in doesn't really fit him unless someone like Goldobin gets injured (in which case I'd argue we'd be better off seeing Dahlen or another developing player be called up). He might be a better fit in MTL. Would have loved to see this a page or 2 ago... Thanks. I agree with most of your post. But we need a direction. With Linden gone. What is our stance now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said: Ya actually I am..... still have no idea why you posted their salaries and contract lengths and what that has to do with who they decided to waive. Sorry bud... I'm not here to hold your hand in CDC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'NucK™ Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, DarthMelvin said: Sorry bud... I'm not here to hold your hand in CDC says the guy who thinks salaries of guys on one-way deals factor into them being waived.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'NucK™ Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, DarthMelvin said: Would have loved to see this a page or 2 ago... Thanks. I agree with most of your post. But we need a direction. With Linden gone. What is our stance now? who needs hand holding now you spent half this thread comparing gagnes point production to shallers and it wasnt until this post you realized they have almost polar opposite roles in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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