garthsbutcher Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 20 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: I also dont see the obsession. Guy played one season for us and it's likely it ends there lol. Size matters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickly Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 hours ago, knucklehead91 said: Chara wasn’t even Chara until midway through his career. Neither the Islanders nor Ottawa saw enough in Chara to keep him. Tryamkin, much like Chara has one thing you can’t teach.... And that’s size. Bo Horvat’s knock was his skating, look at where he is at now. We have a monstrous dman that we shape and mold. One who tosses guys like Getlaf and Jamie Benn around like its childs play. Do we really have him? We have his rights, but there hasn’t been any concrete evidence that he is actually planning an NHL return. Tryamkin bolted back to Russia because he was unhappy his role on the team. It’s not as if Travis Green is going to magically grant him top 4 minutes if he returned here anyhow. As for the size thing, it all depends on how you use it. People here obsess over what they envision Tryamkin becoming, a big, nasty giant on skates who pummels his opponents whenever he gets a chance. Fact is, Tryamkin didn’t play all that physical when he was here besides the couple of aforementioned hits and relied more so on his stick to be effective. For every Zdeno Chara/Chris Pronger there are a dozen Hal Gills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKNuck96 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 50 minutes ago, Pickly said: Do we really have him? We have his rights, but there hasn’t been any concrete evidence that he is actually planning an NHL return. Tryamkin bolted back to Russia because he was unhappy his role on the team. It’s not as if Travis Green is going to magically grant him top 4 minutes if he returned here anyhow. As for the size thing, it all depends on how you use it. People here obsess over what they envision Tryamkin becoming, a big, nasty giant on skates who pummels his opponents whenever he gets a chance. Fact is, Tryamkin didn’t play all that physical when he was here besides the couple of aforementioned hits and relied more so on his stick to be effective. For every Zdeno Chara/Chris Pronger there are a dozen Hal Gills. He bolted because he was jerked around. The noise from both camps at the end of last season seemed to be along the lines of we no thy wanted a deal but because of the cap constraints and the timing issues wasn’t able to be done, but parted on good terms with a view of revisiting this after the KHL season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 27 minutes ago, Pickly said: Do we really have him? We have his rights, but there hasn’t been any concrete evidence that he is actually planning an NHL return. Tryamkin bolted back to Russia because he was unhappy his role on the team. It’s not as if Travis Green is going to magically grant him top 4 minutes if he returned here anyhow. As for the size thing, it all depends on how you use it. People here obsess over what they envision Tryamkin becoming, a big, nasty giant on skates who pummels his opponents whenever he gets a chance. Fact is, Tryamkin didn’t play all that physical when he was here besides the couple of aforementioned hits and relied more so on his stick to be effective. For every Zdeno Chara/Chris Pronger there are a dozen Hal Gills. Maybe go watch a few youtube clips to refresh your memory. He is by no means a gentle giant. Also, when Detroit won the cup in ‘08, Lidstrom hardly threw a single body check throughout the playoffs. He also took home the Conn Smythe in ‘02 as a dman who was effective with his stick. Tryamkin takes away so much time and space he doesnt need to use his body, but thats not to say he doesnt finish his checks. Heres a montage of one of Tryamkins games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickly Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said: Maybe go watch a few youtube clips to refresh your memory. He is by no means a gentle giant. Also, when Detroit won the cup in ‘08, Lidstrom hardly threw a single body check throughout the playoffs. He also took home the Conn Smythe in ‘02 as a dman who was effective with his stick. Tryamkin takes away so much time and space he doesnt need to use his body, but thats not to say he doesnt finish his checks. Heres a montage of one of Tryamkins games You really just mentioned arguably the greatest defenceman of all time in the same paragraph as Nikita Tryamkin. Mic drop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickly Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 46 minutes ago, UKNuck96 said: He bolted because he was jerked around. The noise from both camps at the end of last season seemed to be along the lines of we no thy wanted a deal but because of the cap constraints and the timing issues wasn’t able to be done, but parted on good terms with a view of revisiting this after the KHL season There’s been grumbling me of this stuff two KHL contracts ago. Like I said, nothing concrete. Furthermore, he wasn’t jerked around as much as some say. Defenceman need to earn trust and ice time. He threw a fit after his lone full season because he wanted preferential treatment and that doesn’t work in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 hours ago, tas said: yeah, no. he was a big piece of the trade that landed yashin for the isles, and then ottawa let him walk because they had to choose which of their two star ufa defencemen they were going to squeeze under a $39 mil salary cap and went with the more established commodity in redden. Yes you’re right, but 2 teams valued someone else over Chara. Redden was nowhere near as physical as Chara. Ottawa kept the softer player who put up decent points, over the bigger, meaner dman who also put up just as many points. If you could go back and do that trade over again, would you trade Chara+1st round draft pick (2nd OA) for Yashin? Re-rank the ‘96 draft.... 55 times Chara was passed on... If you include trades/signings plus the number of times he was passed on in the draft that would make 57 times that someone else was seen as better or more needed. He would have been a clear #1dman if they knew back then what he would become and is one of the modern day greats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, Pickly said: You really just mentioned arguably the greatest defenceman of all time in the same paragraph as Nikita Tryamkin. Mic drop. Wasn't a comparison. Just pointing out that you dont always need to throw hits to be effective. You are saying he’s not physical. So by your standards Lidstrom was useless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Lamora Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 So, how ‘bout that Podkolzin kid, eh? Another chance to watch him in a few hours. And now I need to go find the Tryamkin thread so I can post my opinion that we won’t see him here again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 50 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said: Yes you’re right, but 2 teams valued someone else over Chara. Redden was nowhere near as physical as Chara. Ottawa kept the softer player who put up decent points, over the bigger, meaner dman who also put up just as many points. If you could go back and do that trade over again, would you trade Chara+1st round draft pick (2nd OA) for Yashin? Re-rank the ‘96 draft.... 55 times Chara was passed on... If you include trades/signings plus the number of times he was passed on in the draft that would make 57 times that someone else was seen as better or more needed. He would have been a clear #1dman if they knew back then what he would become and is one of the modern day greats the point is that when chara was tryamkin's age (26), he was arguably the best shutdown defenceman in the NHL while also putting up 40 pts per year. lower your expectations to hal gill level and you might have a case, but talking about tryamkin and chara in the same sentence is an insult to big z. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo0921 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 hour ago, knucklehead91 said: Maybe go watch a few youtube clips to refresh your memory. He is by no means a gentle giant. Also, when Detroit won the cup in ‘08, Lidstrom hardly threw a single body check throughout the playoffs. He also took home the Conn Smythe in ‘02 as a dman who was effective with his stick. Tryamkin takes away so much time and space he doesnt need to use his body, but thats not to say he doesnt finish his checks. Heres a montage of one of Tryamkins games There are a few things about this video that go against what you're trying to show. 1. Watching the video really demonstrates how much slower the Russian game is, compared to the NHL game and Tram was still having issues keeping up. 2. In some clips, it really looked like he was trying to be a dynamic, playmaker but failed and then got caught out of position. He needs to keep his game more basic. Take his share of shots but maintain solid, defensive positioning. Trying to play like Quinn Hughes will only work against him. 3. He seemed to look lost at times and missed his assignment. He chased the play a lot leaving open pathways to the net. As stated in point two, he must maintain solid, defensive positioning to be effective. 4. Although he did play a physical style, I didn't see any conviction in his hits. He did hit the opposition but, none of it would instilled any kind of hesitancy in the opposition and would do little to nothing in the NHL. This video shows more of why he needs to come off his high horse if he wants to become a fulltime NHLer. He needs to put his ego on the shelf and admit to his shortcomings as a hockey player and show a willingness to put in the work at the level he needs to be at to even have a chance at a serious NHL career. The key factor in Tryamkin getting drafted was simple. He was 6'8" tall. That's it. If he was 6'1" and played like he did as a prospective draft pick, no one would know, or care, who Tryamkin is. Unfortunately, ego is a tough thing to overcome, and the fact that he's still yet to show any kind of admission to his need for development, doesn't offer any confidence that he will improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knucklehead91 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 49 minutes ago, tas said: the point is that when chara was tryamkin's age (26), he was arguably the best shutdown defenceman in the NHL while also putting up 40 pts per year. lower your expectations to hal gill level and you might have a case, but talking about tryamkin and chara in the same sentence is an insult to big z. Well to say that at 26 Chara was the best shutdown dman in the league while also putting up equal numbers to Redden, makes you question how the Sens chose Redden over Chara? What I mentioned about Chara was that he and Chara have one thing you cannot teach and thats size. For that reason alone, its worth seeing what we can mold a big body like Tryamkin into. As I said earlier, 55 times Chara was passed on in the draft, traded once and let go another time. He found a home in Boston where he was beginning to cement himself as one of the modern day greats. Tryamkin has size, skates very well; especially for someone of his stature. He has a good shot and fairly good hands (more coordinated than Chara) we just need to be a bit patient and see if we have something in Tryamkin. it would be an insult to say he is the next Chara. Which I am not saying at all, its hard not to compare the two with size, weight and position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Great tip in attempt by Podz...so close! Like that he's right in the wheelhouse! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beary Sweet Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Really love Podz’ playmaking ability. His forechecking and backchecking is relentless as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Podz 6th player in WJ history to play 21 games (Valeri Bure was also one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Not a good play on that 1-1 goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Will be shocked if Russia pulls this out. They just don't seem to have any identity. Need to go to the net more. Pods has had a very good tournament thus far though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, rekker said: Will be shocked if Russia pulls this out. They just don't seem to have any identity. Need to go to the net more. Pods has had a very good tournament thus far though. Larionov does't have a lot to work with. Weak d group and a goalie with the yips. A few good Fs have got them this far, and some well structured play. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyezone Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 I think the pressure weighs on the kid. He will thrive in NA without the national pressure from mother Russia methinks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 20 minutes ago, reyezone said: I think the pressure weighs on the kid. He will thrive in NA without the national pressure from mother Russia methinks. Good thing Vancouver is known as an easy market on their players? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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