FS91 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, NuckForReal!!! said: A similar contract to Timo Meiers would be nice. Wholeheartedly disagree, we are not a cup contending team at the moment (and likely wont be until minimum three years from now) thus we do not have a pressing need to get Brock in at a lower cap hit right now. When we do start to become an elite level team in 3/4 years (EP40/Hughes entering their primes, Podkolzin a regular in our lineup and back from the KHL) is when we will want to make sure we create the largest Stanley cup window possible to capitalize on. If we give Brock the same deal as Timo Meiers that would mean we only get one year of him @ $6. After that we would have to Qualify him at $10. Sure I get the argument that if he's putting up 40 by then then he's worth the 10. That's fair, but why have him making $10 when we need all the cap space we can get to fill out our roster to push our team over the edge. Instead I would much rather have him for say $7.5 if we do a $7.5X8 deal now and have an extra $2.5 mill a year for 4 years on a role player or maybe it will be just enough for us to target a key free agent or trade piece at the deadline to put us over the top. Now is when we have the cap space to take this hit on, in 3 years EP40 and Hughes will be off of their entry level deals and likely cashing in if they pan out like we all hope they do. I would love to pull of what Colorado has done - signing long term deals when they had the cap to spend (Landeskog @ 7 x $5.6 and Mackinnon @ 7 x $6.3). This now gives them 4 years minimum of a window while having Mackinnon only making $6.3 - giving them the ability to spend money wherever else they need to fill out their team to take them over the top. Edited July 5, 2019 by FS91 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 If it's 4 years, then 6, 6.5 at most? If I'm Boeser's agent, I would think that Boeser is going to score 40 goals in a season or two, which would put him in the same group as Laine, probably 8-10 mil range. At the same time, with injury history (Boeser has never played a full season), they would want a bit of security so probably minimum 3 years. So, 4 years sounds about right. From Canucks' perspective, as long as he is an RFA at the end of the contract, it should be fine. Question is, can we contend within this 4 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 To me this indicates the Canucks are about to go all in during this current contract at a Cup run. I'm scared. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said: To me this indicates the Canucks are about to go all in during this current contract at a Cup run. I'm scared. or maybe it means they're just holding down the fort and waiting for a new CBA when the salary cap starts going up substantially again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FS91 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I dont think "as long as he's an RFA at the end" is as great as it seems. Brock and his agent would hold all the leverage. Say he is a consistent 40 goal scorer - If they really wanted they could just sign the one year qualifying offer at $10M and then test free agency the following year where he will be the prize of free agency and get say $12 M plus, leaving us with nothing. Again we hold no real leverage so it would be up to Brock and his Agent. Say he has a not so great 4 years. Has some injury issues - struggles to hit 30 goals. Well then we have a Ben Hutton situation. If we want to keep him we have to pay him $10M which he may not be worth, or let him walk. Once again possibly losing him for nothing. This all comes down to asset management, and if you truly believe Brock is and will be a great player - lock him up for as long as possible now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted July 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said: To me this indicates the Canucks are about to go all in during this current contract at a Cup run. I'm scared. Why would you be scared to see your team compete? Isn't that the point of the entire existence of the league? 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, stawns said: Why would you be scared to see your team compete? Isn't that the point of the entire existence of the league? I'm not so sure we can turn our current defense around in 4 years. 5 minutes ago, tas said: or maybe it means they're just holding down the fort and waiting for a new CBA when the salary cap starts going up substantially again. True. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gaudette Celly Posted July 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said: To me this indicates the Canucks are about to go all in during this current contract at a Cup run. I'm scared. So it is true after all -- some fans are actually scared of winning. 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FS91 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Hutton Wink said: So it is true after all -- some fans are actually scared of being mediocre. Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gaudette Celly Posted July 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, FS91 said: Fixed Scared of winning and addicted to losing. That what years of wanting the team to #fail4pickz can result in. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 4 year deal where he's still an RFA at the end sounds perfect. Get 'er done Benning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 hours ago, aGENT said: You're capfriendly'ing wrong. Roster has to be 23 men. We have more than $6m. No body understands this even the media. It’s a little embarrassing 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FS91 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Scared of winning and addicted to losing. That what years of wanting the team to #fail4pickz can result in. Spot a trend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gaudette Celly Posted July 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2019 Just now, Devron44 said: No body understands this even the media. It’s a little embarrassing Yeah, worst part is hearing the media parrot the "only $5.5mil to sign Boeser and Goldobin... those bad contracts are totally hamstringing Benning now." Canucks at 27 and Habs at 25 are the only two teams they show above 23. They even include AHLers like Bailey and Brisebois. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, FS91 said: Spot a trend? Clarification: Afraid of being anything better than losers, and believing their fate is ultimately based upon ping-pong balls. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maketherightmove Posted July 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2019 So to recap here, many see the following as negative/scary: - The Canucks competing over the next 4 years - Boeser being a multiple-time 40-goal scorer We're a funny group here, aren't we. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sonoman Posted July 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2019 So yesterday, Kuzma claims they don’t care about term but want 7M per. This morning it’s a 4 year bridge? Kuzma talking out of his ass 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 31 minutes ago, Mathew Barzal said: I'm not so sure we can turn our current defense around in 4 years. True. Take out the shorter term vets (Edler, Tanev, Benn) and you've got Hughes, Myers, Stecher, Juolevi, Rathbone, Woo, Brisebois and Rafferty as a pretty solid starting point. Add a likely returning Tryamkin and rumours of an interested in returning Barrie as potential options as well. And I hardly think we'll stop drafting, trading etc for guys after that. Hardly cause for massive concern and we're still largely in the 'wet lump of clay' phase. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FS91 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Maketherightmove said: So to recap here, many see the following as negative/scary: - The Canucks competing over the next 4 years - Boeser being a multiple-time 40-goal scorer We're a funny group here, aren't we. How so? I would want nothing more than that. As a matter of fact that's more of a reason to sign im to 8 years than 4. Lock him down and then relish in the fact that you have a 40-goal scorer for $7.5M. Much like Colorado is relishing the fact they have a top 3 player in the NHL at only $6.3M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, Maketherightmove said: So to recap here, many see the following as negative/scary: - The Canucks competing over the next 4 years - Boeser being a multiple-time 40-goal scorer We're a funny group here, aren't we. Welcome to the persistent inferiority complex of Canuck fans, largely driven and exacerbated by the media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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