[Signing] Canucks sign Micheal Ferland

[Ryan Strome]

4 minutes ago, Wanless said:

Looking at needs at the time of trade

Ya cause we didn't need d prospects, right? My point exactly is we did. 

[Tower102]

The great thing about this signing is the versatility it adds to our top 9. If Baer is hurt or not producing as hoped, or Pearson can't continue his play with Horvat from next year, then Ferland has the ability to step into the top 6. If all our guys play great, Ferland is suited for a third line role and his contract is not an overpayment for that role either. As great as I think he could look next to Petey and Brock, I think him and Virtanen on opposite wings of the same line could be a menace for teams (assuming Virtanen continues progression and has a bit of a fire lit from Ferland). Green has a lot of flexibility in how to deploy his forward group now. Basically the only combo I don't want messed with to start the season is Pearson and Horvat as Horvat really seemed to bring Pearson back to life. If it doesn't work again early though, Pearson could be moved up and down the lineup. 

 

I probably start the year with something like this:

 

Miller Petey Brock

Pearson Horvat Baer (give Baer a chance to re-secure his top 6 role, unless we can move him out for something decent)

Ferland Sutter Virtanen

Leivo Beagle Motte

 

Gaudette in the Ahl being first call up, Rousell on LTIR.

 

There are also options of moving Leivo into the top 6.

 

All in all, this forward group has a ton of options for all situations. If our young guys can keep progressing, our middle aged guys can produce as shown in the past, and we can actually stay healthy, I really think this is a playoff team. 

 

Go Canucks! Lets make that 1st to tampa a 31st overall! (let me dream)

[JM_]

5 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Picks for other teams projects is never a solid decision imo. It's not like I'm totally angry I just wanted to point that out b4 I praised JB so I didn't get called a "jb nut hugger."

the root of the whole thing was Linden wanting to give the Sedin's one more run. Linden was very open about that, I heard him say in person at a season ticket event that it wouldn't be "fair" to the twins to do a tear down. 

 

So from that pov, Jim did what he could, some expensive veteran signings and burning some futures for tweener projects. 

 

The sad thing is, rebuilds can happen in just a couple of seasons so the Sedin's may have got back to the playoffs in a better way had they just committed to two years of tankage. 

 

But looking at the team on paper today, and adding in Podkolzin, Tryamkin and maybe Hoglander as early as a season from now is pretty exciting. 

Edited July 11, 2019 by Jimmy McGill

[Wanless]

1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said:

Ya cause we didn't need d prospects, right? My point exactly is we did. 

Took a while to get you to say the why.

 

But we also needed young scoring wingers

 

The point we are both making is moot.

 

The trade was a fine trade, no winner no loser. 

[5Fivehole0]

15 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Great? Lol man some of you haha.

He's produced at a top 6 rate since he's been here. It looks like you just like to say things, for the sake of saying them.

[Me_]

21 minutes ago, 5Fivehole0 said:

He's produced at a top 6 rate since he's been here. It looks like you just like to say things, for the sake of saying them.

Doesn’t matter. He’s too often injured. What is the organizational difference between Virtanen’s current inconsistencies in his game and an oft-injured player like Bärtschi? None; both scenarios create limited production.

 

Injuries will happen no doubt. But Bärtschi, Sutter and Tanev are much bigger liabilities to the organization than rookies trying to make it as the afore mentioned are counted on to carry the team in their own capacities.

 

They should be out.

 

Bärtschi

Sutter

Tanev

Eriksson (gave up)

 

Edited July 11, 2019 by Me_

[IBatch]

1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

the root of the whole thing was Linden wanting to give the Sedin's one more run. Linden was very open about that, I heard him say in person at a season ticket event that it wouldn't be "fair" to the twins to do a tear down. 

 

So from that pov, Jim did what he could, some expensive veteran signings and burning some futures for tweener projects. 

 

The sad thing is, rebuilds can happen in just a couple of seasons so the Sedin's may have got back to the playoffs in a better way had they just committed to two years of tankage. 

 

But looking at the team on paper today, and adding in Podkolzin, Tryamkin and maybe Hollander as early as a season from now is pretty exciting. 

Woo, Podz, Tree, Woo, AG, OJ and Hogs  should replace most of Edler, Benn, Tanev, Pearson, Sutter and Bear in as few as two seasons from now (ok the start of the one after that).   It’s a good thing too because likely both EP and Hughes will command as much as 16-20 million.  Out is around 25 million.  All the guys I’ve listed will be 1-3 at the time, which is an additional 7-15 million likely. Soooo on the high side we will need 35 (not happening) on the low side 23, right around with what we will have.  Good thing the NEXT year EP is gone, and the Luongo cap hit.  As we will definitely need the additional 9 million to sort things out and fill a hole or two.  

 

I am starting to hate LEs contract.  

[rekker]

14 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Picks for other teams projects is never a solid decision imo. It's not like I'm totally angry I just wanted to point that out b4 I praised JB so I didn't get called a "jb nut hugger."

I dont agree as it can work out. It's a gamble of course but so is any pick that you may have made. I look at Justin Schultz. He was unloaded for a pick and has worked out nicely for the Pens. Baer could still go either way as he is a very talented player, injuries aside. 

[JM_]

5 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Woo, Podz, Tree, Woo, AG, OJ and Hogs  should replace most of Edler, Benn, Tanev, Pearson, Sutter and Bear in as few as two seasons from now (ok the start of the one after that).   It’s a good thing too because likely both EP and Hughes will command as much as 16-20 million.  Out is around 25 million.  All the guys I’ve listed will be 1-3 at the time, which is an additional 7-15 million likely. Soooo on the high side we will need 35 (not happening) on the low side 23, right around with what we will have.  Good thing the NEXT year EP is gone, and the Luongo cap hit.  As we will definitely need the additional 9 million to sort things out and fill a hole or two.  

 

I am starting to hate LEs contract.  

well, lets see if Jim's golden summer can continue  maybe he finds a home for him yet. 

[ForsbergTheGreat]

14 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

the root of the whole thing was Linden wanting to give the Sedin's one more run. Linden was very open about that, I heard him say in person at a season ticket event that it wouldn't be "fair" to the twins to do a tear down. 

 

So from that pov, Jim did what he could, some expensive veteran signings and burning some futures for tweener projects. 

 

The sad thing is, rebuilds can happen in just a couple of seasons so the Sedin's may have got back to the playoffs in a better way had they just committed to two years of tankage. 

 

But looking at the team on paper today, and adding in Podkolzin, Tryamkin and maybe Hoglander as early as a season from now is pretty exciting. 

This is exactly right and it’s easy to see. Although you still see a lot of posters on this board with the belief that the focus hasn’t changed and the plan has been the same since day one.  

[bigbadcanucks]

2 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Woo, Podz, Tree, Woo, AG, OJ and Hogs  should replace most of Edler, Benn, Tanev, Pearson, Sutter and Bear in as few as two seasons from now (ok the start of the one after that).   It’s a good thing too because likely both EP and Hughes will command as much as 16-20 million.  Out is around 25 million.  All the guys I’ve listed will be 1-3 at the time, which is an additional 7-15 million likely. Soooo on the high side we will need 35 (not happening) on the low side 23, right around with what we will have.  Good thing the NEXT year EP is gone, and the Luongo cap hit.  As we will definitely need the additional 9 million to sort things out and fill a hole or two.  

 

I am starting to hate LEs contract.  

Starting?  What has taken you so long?

 

In all seriousness, I love the Ferland signing.  Hopefully he can stay healthy and be the wrecking ball with the ability to pitch in with a 20-20 for foreseeable future.  The Canucks have all the makings of a rabid wolf pack.  Just the sort of team I love watching. 

 

Getting closer to being the Big Bad Canucks.  Too bad that cap space won't permit it, but an Adam McQuaid signing would have rounded out an uber phenomenal off-season for JB (not sure what I would call it if JB was able to shed the Loui contract...I would probably lose my mind with joy).

[Topcheeze86]

25 minutes ago, Tower102 said:

The great thing about this signing is the versatility it adds to our top 9. If Baer is hurt or not producing as hoped, or Pearson can't continue his play with Horvat from next year, then Ferland has the ability to step into the top 6. If all our guys play great, Ferland is suited for a third line role and his contract is not an overpayment for that role either. As great as I think he could look next to Petey and Brock, I think him and Virtanen on opposite wings of the same line could be a menace for teams (assuming Virtanen continues progression and has a bit of a fire lit from Ferland). Green has a lot of flexibility in how to deploy his forward group now. Basically the only combo I don't want messed with to start the season is Pearson and Horvat as Horvat really seemed to bring Pearson back to life. If it doesn't work again early though, Pearson could be moved up and down the lineup. 

 

I probably start the year with something like this:

 

Miller Petey Brock

Pearson Horvat Baer (give Baer a chance to re-secure his top 6 role, unless we can move him out for something decent)

Ferland Sutter Virtanen

Leivo Beagle Motte

 

Gaudette in the Ahl being first call up, Rousell on LTIR.

 

There are also options of moving Leivo into the top 6.

 

All in all, this forward group has a ton of options for all situations. If our young guys can keep progressing, our middle aged guys can produce as shown in the past, and we can actually stay healthy, I really think this is a playoff team. 

 

Go Canucks! Lets make that 1st to tampa a 31st overall! (let me dream)

Again tho i want to see petey and brock on different lines 5 on 5 as petey feeds brock to much and doesnt use his shot but load up pp with them on each wing on left and right halfwall 

[Me_]

2 hours ago, bigbadcanucks said:

Starting?  What has taken you so long?

 

In all seriousness, I love the Ferland signing.  Hopefully he can stay healthy and be the wrecking ball with the ability to pitch in with a 20-20 for foreseeable future.  The Canucks have all the makings of a rabid wolf pack.  Just the sort of team I love watching. 

 

Getting closer to being the Big Bad Canucks.  Too bad that cap space won't permit it, but an Adam McQuaid signing would have rounded out an uber phenomenal off-season for JB (not sure what I would call it if JB was able to shed the Loui contract...I would probably lose my mind with joy).

Perhaps Ferland can accidentally on purpose  run over Eriksson in practice and get him on LTIR? I have no respect for disrespect.

 

Edited July 11, 2019 by Me_

[RonMexico]

2 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

This is exactly right and it’s easy to see. Although you still see a lot of posters on this board with the belief that the focus hasn’t changed and the plan has been the same since day one.  

Who could be that myopic though? The fact that Linden got canned shows the plan changed.

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[zimmy]

2 minutes ago, Me_ said:

Perhaps Ferland can accidentally on purpose  run over Eriksson in practice and get him on LTIR

This is the kind of outside of the box thinking that is reserved for only the most successful NHL execs! Are you sure your initials aren’t DW from SJ?

[Ryan Strome]

28 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

the root of the whole thing was Linden wanting to give the Sedin's one more run. Linden was very open about that, I heard him say in person at a season ticket event that it wouldn't be "fair" to the twins to do a tear down. 

 

So from that pov, Jim did what he could, some expensive veteran signings and burning some futures for tweener projects. 

 

The sad thing is, rebuilds can happen in just a couple of seasons so the Sedin's may have got back to the playoffs in a better way had they just committed to two years of tankage. 

 

But looking at the team on paper today, and adding in Podkolzin, Tryamkin and maybe Hoglander as early as a season from now is pretty exciting. 

I agree that others were pulling the strings and now I think this is free reign to JB now and we see the results and I'm sure happy.

27 minutes ago, Wanless said:

Took a while to get you to say the why.

 

But we also needed young scoring wingers

 

The point we are both making is moot.

 

The trade was a fine trade, no winner no loser. 

I never liked the deal from day 1 but no certainly it didn't cripple the team.

26 minutes ago, 5Fivehole0 said:

He's produced at a top 6 rate since he's been here. It looks like you just like to say things, for the sake of saying them.

Nah, not really. By your logic if someone comes up and gets a point in their first game and then goes back down they're producing at a ppg pace...

16 minutes ago, rekker said:

I dont agree as it can work out. It's a gamble of course but so is any pick that you may have made. I look at Justin Schultz. He was unloaded for a pick and has worked out nicely for the Pens. Baer could still go either way as he is a very talented player, injuries aside. 

Imo JB has drafted well so I would have sooner rolled the dice on him making a selection.

11 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

This is exactly right and it’s easy to see. Although you still see a lot of posters on this board with the belief that the focus hasn’t changed and the plan has been the same since day one.  

See my response to Jimmy.

[Nucker 67]

Ferland sounds excited to join the Canucks, and says he's met with Benning etc. and is looking forward to playing with PEEDERSON and BOZER. That's how he pronounced their names lol 

 

I noticed Johnston (the Province) has already started his negative commentary on this signing, saying Ferland is a 3rd line player who might get a shot with Bo's line. Then he went on about Ferland's previous concussion. Canucks can never have anything nice. 

 

It sounds to me like the Canucks brass already talked with Ferland about playing with Pettersson and Boeser, and I think it makes sense. Not sure who Ferland played with in CAR lat year, but he produced 40 points in 71 games. Not bad at all. He'll get more playing with #40 and #6. 

[Boudrias]

2 hours ago, theo5789 said:

You don't think Benning and crew weren't conscious about it? I'm sure they didn't sign Eriksson with the mindset that he would be where he is today. If he was the player they expected him to be, then he would be paid just fine at his salary. Almost every GM has bad a signing they've probably regretted and if not already, then they will eventually. You take risks to boost your team and not all pan out. We are close to the cap, but we don't have cap problems just yet so I would say Benning was very conscious about it. While many were dreaming of Panarin or EK, Benning actually said they didn't have as much cap space as it may seem despite having over 38 million in cap space at that time. He was fully aware of the situation before many of us were and that's why he and his team are in NHL management. This goes along with the expansion as he made the necessary deals so we did lose a key player for nothing. We won't be so lucky this time around because our team will be better, but he's made signings that doesn't restrict us in who we want to protect which keeps all players on their toes if they want to stay. So he clearly is planning down the road.

 

Ferland was talking about a Wilson type contract meaning he was looking at 5+ million for at least 5 years. He clearly came in under that. So yes great signing indeed.

 

If Sutter isn't healthy, then he goes on LTIR. If healthy, he's an important contributor. We did expect him to have a bigger role, but these injuries haven't helped him find a groove with the team.

 

We will continue to see Beagle's value going into next year. If we didn't pay the premium, he may as well have stayed in Washington. For a 4th line guy, he seemed well loved there, which goes to show you the type of player and person he is.

 

We can argue over the value of players, but at the end of the day, we are going to be under the cap even with Boeser signed to 7 or less. We have filled most of the holes on the team. The less than favourable contracts will be off the books within 3 years right in line with players needing extensions and raises. We are in a good position right now.

Consider the impact of the increased depth on the overall health of the roster. Instead of having to play injured the re-cup time can be extended. Love Benning’s summer to date. He can actually hang on to some of his players he might want to move, CAP allowing, and move them as their value could improve on a stronger roster. UFA signings to compliment the youth is a high bonus.