[Report] Canucks sign GM Jim Benning to contract extension

[spook007]

1 hour ago, Crabcakes said:

The 3rd purpose of course......to shut up the media.....we like Jimmy so quit slinging mud!  And the timing lets the brou-ha-ha die down before camp starts.

 

Hell, I might even tune into Sekeres tomorrow to listen to him whine.....it could be one of the more satisfying and entertaining shows of the season.  

+1

[kingofsurrey]

5 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

We won the presidents trophy in 2011/12 and lost out to LA after a cheapshot by Duncan Keith took Daniel Sedin out for a couple weeks.

 

No way in hell ownership signs off on a rebuild after winning the presidents trophy... Give your head a shake.

 

Easy to use hindsight where we should have started the rebuild, but at the time it honestly would have made little sense. 

By 2013 the Canucks had gone 1-8 in playoffs the last 2 years...  writing was on the wall. 

[kingofsurrey]

10 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

 

Easy to use hindsight where we should have started the rebuild, but at the time it honestly would have made little sense. 

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[canuck73_3]

5 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

By 2013 the Canucks had gone 1-8 in playoffs the last 2 years...  writing was on the wall. 

Again, hindsight.

 

If Daniel wasn't taken out by Keith we would have beat LA or at least taken the series to 7 games. Again you have to look at the whole picture not just a few numbers...

[aGENT]

28 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

Next task for this management team is going to be managing the cap & freeing up money. 

 

They need to find a way out from some of these contracts theyve signed, not just to sign our core but to supplement them properly going forward. 

 

Elliotte Friedman made a good point on the program yesterday saying that Vancouver hasnt been afraid to make changes even if theres term on contracts (Gillis, Torts).

 

Pressure is still on for Jim's moves to work out, but it shows a vote of confidence in the core & eliminates the distraction.

 

The only contract that we really 'need' to get rid of (before it's natural expiration anyway) is the Eriksson one (and even it is more of a STRONG want than an outright need).

 

There's plenty of cap coming off naturally, from expiring contracts the next few years. Not only that but some kids are bound to make even some of those expendable via trade sooner than later. And we'll be losing another contract in the ED as well.

 

Add Seattle expansion and the new TV deal boosting cap and I'm not really concerned. We're incredibly well positioned IMO.

 

Even the Luongo recapture (while certainly EXTREMELY annoying on principal as much as anything else) could be a bit of a blessing in disguise. It's almost like a forced savings plan for when the team could arguably use a boost of cap space (we should be truly competitive by then).

Edited August 18, 2019 by aGENT

[10pavelbure96]

Twitter sure is a lot more negative compared to here. There is a whole bunch of surrey kings over there.

 

I think aquaman made the right choice, theres so much more beyond the standings. The restocked cupboard cant be ignored, regardless of draft position. Plus no lottery luck to boot.

 

I believe in this team

Edited August 18, 2019 by 10pavelbure96

[nowhereman]

22 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

There might be some ban-hammers coming down.

 

ACCEPTANCE is a good place for the HFhater types to get to(3 more yrs too!)

 

[smithers joe]

39 minutes ago, stawns said:

And that's where you lost me.  This team doesn't need more soft, skilled players, they've got that covered, in spades.  Miller, Myers and Ferland are exactly what was needed

correct, they saw what these players needed to create the right environment to succeed and went to supply them. the wisdom of these moves will be shown in how they let petey and company produce.  i wonder if edmonton fans complained about semenko’s numbers while playing on a line with gretzky and kurri? pearson showed good chemistry with bo last year. that chemistry is what is important. the fact that benning has to pay more to get the players he wants is part of this business. 

[aGENT]

1 minute ago, smithers joe said:

correct, they saw what these players needed to create the right environment to succeed and went to supply them. the wisdom of these moves will be shown in how they let petey and company produce.  i wonder if edmonton fans complained about semenko’s numbers while playing on a line with gretzky and kurri? pearson showed good chemistry with bo last year. that chemistry is what is important. the fact that benning has to pay more to get the players he wants is part of this business. 

Similar argument with 'overpaying' for Beagle and Roussel.

 

Could we have signed lesser (if similar) players for less AAV and term (or asset cost in the case of Miller)? Probably. But they're lesser players.

 

Frankly, I don't see that as a negative in regards to Benning. He's willing to do and pay to get the better/right tool for the job. Lesser substitutions need not apply.

 

Give me the right tool for the job any day.

[Gaudette Celly]

3 hours ago, mikeyman109 said:

I have lived a 49 year Canucks bubble and I can tell you there have been worse periods of time than this. Here there is hope for the year coming. At times before Pat Quinn there was no hope and a threat the team would move

For those of who went through the 80s, we know how different it was.  Year after year there seemed to be no hope, as there were no top prospects on the way or anything.  At least this time around, we could see things being built and improvements made, through the draft, trades, and signings.

[Gaudette Celly]

2 hours ago, bad alice french said:

King is a solid fan. The guy takes heat because he’s equal parts realist and homer.

Just how "realistic" is it to complain about losses during a rebuild?

3 hours ago, IRR said:

It’s like beating a dead horse with him.....I argued (along with many others) all day yesterday and nothing!! I’ve never seen such a stubborn, ignorant, negative person in my life. Then, he starts playing the victim the last few pages. Exhausting!!

Welcome to Trolling 201.  School's in session.

 

[canuck73_3]

Just now, Hutton Wink said:

For those of who went through the 80s, we know how different it was.  Year after year there seemed to be no hope, as there were no top prospects on the way or anything.  At least this time around, we could see things being built and improvements made, through the draft, trades, and signings.

The one top prospect we had we traded for a then broken Barry Pederson 

[mikeyman109]

2 hours ago, kingofsurrey said:

LOL - where is the constant improvement.  Did you dream that up as well ?  

Do you see Jouls being top 4 D .  Do you see Virt as a top 6  D?

I see Myers as being a top 4 D

 

I see Myers and Benn as an Upgrade on Stecher and Hutton

I see Ferland and Miller as an upgrade over Goldobin and Leivo

I appreciate other opinions but as IRR said you are just looking to argue. I pass. You offer nothing other than frustration for everyone.

[JeremyCuddles]

1 hour ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

The Miller move is the one I'm still not crazy about. I like Miller alot as a player, but to me that cap space couldve been used to sign Nyquist & we keep our first. 

 

The team is on the rise, but so far still projected to miss for the 5th year in a row. That pick will be unprotected at some point, and Millers really a complimentary player, so it's a risk. 

 

If we were a consistent playoff team then trading a first for a guy we thought could be a missing piece is one thing. But we still might not have the pieces to be that yet. Outside of Hughes all our D prospects have question marks. 

We'll never become a consistent playoff team if we refuse to move any picks or anything to get better. And the quality players are usually found through trades not free agency. Yes he is a complimentary guy but that doesn't mean he won't be a key player for us. Hansen and Higgins were "complimentary" guys and without them we don't get to the finals. 

 

Also, there's no telling if Nyquist even signs here. And it's clear based on the guys Benning is bringing in that he has a view of who he wants complimenting the top 6. Miller could be a very good fit with Bo or Petey or even on the 3rd line with lots of special teams minutes. Whereas Nyquist can only really fit on Petey's line. He is a big body, a competitor, and a very solid two way guy.

 

This team needs to start getting better and that can't be done purely through the draft and other people's castaways in free agency. After last season it's clear this team has a really good foundation in Bo, Petey, Boeser and Hughes (honourable mention to Demko and Juolevi). Time to start surrounding them with good quality "complimentary" players to get to the post-season which only further helps their development which helps this team get to that consistent playoff team spot. Miller on his own was not enough to make this team a playoff team but with Myers, Benn, Ferland, a full year of Pearson and Demko, and Hughes this team on paper is much, much better than last season. I'm willing to bet that first rounder people are crying about will be in the late teens/early 20s as early as this season, if not I bet all the money in my pocket they'll be playoff bound next season. Miller will quietly be a big reason why. 

 

This team can't be a rebuilding team forever, we gotta take strides to be better and that is not just through the draft but through smart trading and quality free agents. If that 1st rounder becomes top 5 I will leave the forum forever. Maybe. I kinda like it here.

[Smashian Kassian]

1 hour ago, stawns said:

And that's where you lost me.  This team doesn't need more soft, skilled players, they've got that covered, in spades.  Miller, Myers and Ferland are exactly what was needed

Did u see the wingers we had in the top 6 last year? Lowest scoring team in the league after Xmas. We needed all the skill we could get. Nyquist had 60 pts wouldve been our 2nd best winger last year.

 

Miller is a better fit I agree. But at the difference of a 1st round pick? I'm not so sure. That's the point.

 

 

1 hour ago, gurn said:

If Nyquist was willing to play here, but who truly knows.

Pretty sure Dahliwal tweet he wanted to come play with Petey but we ran out of cap space.

 

1 hour ago, grandmaster said:

You really think the Canucks are going to miss the playoffs this year with all these new additions? We didn’t just add one piece!

 

Too many negative Nelly’s on CDC.

 

Be happy that the Canucks finally have a competitive team. Miller is a 50 point player that is young and has an excellent cap hit for years to come. That first you so highly value is not comparable, especially when the Canucks are finally done with drafting a top 10 pick.

I think we'll be a bubble team. Which team that made it last year are we better than? I dont see us as better than Vegas, SJ or CGY for the division. And theres alot of good teams in the central also vying for the wildcard spots. We are on the rise but hardly a lock.

 

Whether that pick is top 10 or top 20 it's still a good chance to add a core piece. Theres almost always good defenseman drafted in the middle of the 1st round. Am I not allowed to be optimistic about the one area Benning has done very well at?

 

 

1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said:

Sorry man Miller>>>Nyquist and its not even close. 115 hits to 36 we need a player like Miller we have enough players like Nyquist.

See response to Stawns. Miller > Nyquist but Miller > nyquist + 1st? Idk

[JeremyCuddles]

1 hour ago, 10pavelbure96 said:

Twitter sure is a lot more negative compared to here. There is a whole bunch of surrey kings over there.

 

I think aquaman did the right choice, theres so much more beyond the standings. The restocked cupboard cant be ignored, regardless of draft position. Plus no lottery luck to boot.

 

I believe in this team

Twitter negativity comes from the fans following the media heads and eating the BS the media feeds them. As far as we know there are no Sportsnet and TSN media folks to vomit their negative drivel here. People on twitter can't see past the fact the media folks aren't much more special than a normal fan. Essentially the media has moved from informing people of facts to just spouting their opinion and they aren't much more informed than a normal fan. But, twitter sheep see the check mark and think "well he thinks Benning is doing a bad job so he must be doing a bad job". Twitter on the whole is just a black hole of negativity. Sucking in anything good and making it negative. You go to Twitter if you have a negative view of anything so you can be justified in that opinion with the rest of the negative folks.

Edited August 18, 2019 by N7Nucks

[48MPHSlapShot]

3 hours ago, kingofsurrey said:

Yah Millers best year is 22 goals and Loui E best year was 30 goals.......

 

In fact last year  Loui 11 goals were pretty similar to Milers 13 goals.....

 

Virt by the way had 15 goals..  Did we really need to give a FIRST round pick for a 13 goal a year guy....

 

I hope for JB's sake we do not have another Loui E on our hands....

This has to be the dumbest argument I've ever seen. I'm not even someone that's super hot on the Miller trade, but one only has to look at the stats to see what a complete load of horse crap this argument is.

 

The first pic is a snapshot of Miller's stats from the last 4 seasons. The second  is a pic of Virtanen's stat sheet over his last 4 NHL seasons.

 

I know I don't need to spell it out this plainly for 99% of the board, but for the "special" 1% that do need it spelled out for them, there it is. 

 

You see, there are these things called assists. JT Miller has accumulated quite a few of them over his relatively young NHL career. Jake Virtanen has not. Eriksson in his time here has not. Also, Miller was averaging over 20 goals a season before being pushed down the lineup of an absolutely stacked Tampa team. So one can see how referring to Millier as a "13 goal scorer" is pretty intellectually dishonest. 

 

Also, it needs to be mentioned that Miller's best season in terms of goal scoring was actually 23 goals. He scored 13 with the New York Rangers before being traded to Tampa and put up 10 with the Lightning before the season ended. 

 

It literally just takes grade 1 level math to figure that out. 

 

 

Edited August 18, 2019 by 48MPHSlapShot

[canuck73_3]

4 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

Did u see the wingers we had in the top 6 last year? Lowest scoring team in the league after Xmas. We needed all the skill we could get. Nyquist had 60 pts wouldve been our 2nd best winger last year.

 

Miller is a better fit I agree. But at the difference of a 1st round pick? I'm not so sure. That's the point.

 

 

Pretty sure Dahliwal tweet he wanted to come play with Petey but we ran out of cap space.

 

I think we'll be a bubble team. Which team that made it last year are we better than? I dont see us as better than Vegas, SJ or CGY for the division. And theres alot of good teams in the central also vying for the wildcard spots. We are on the rise but hardly a lock.

 

Whether that pick is top 10 or top 20 it's still a good chance to add a core piece. Theres almost always good defenseman drafted in the middle of the 1st round. Am I not allowed to be optimistic about the one area Benning has done very well at?

 

 

See response to Stawns. Miller > Nyquist but Miller > nyquist + 1st? Idk

The 1st for Miller is fine and yes Miller>>>Nyquist and a 1st 

[Qwags]

On 8/16/2019 at 10:57 PM, Sbriggs said:

#should'vegottinridofgillissooner

#shouldveletgillisrebuild.

[canuck73_3]

2 minutes ago, Qwags said:

#shouldveletgillisrebuild.

With Gillis drafting record, I am more than ok with the move to JB