Would the Canucks be a legit playoff darkhorse if Nikita Tryamkin returned this season?

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Salacious Crumb said:

Much like Edler I can see Tanman re-signing here for 4 or 5 more years at a nice number for the team.

Canucks probably wouldn’t go for more than a one/two year deal, just because of any risk that he busts out. I could see a 1x2 mill leading to a 4x4. 

[J.I.A.H.N]

8 hours ago, ilduce39 said:

Pretty much.
 

I’m actually very stoked to have the guy return but personally, I’d be very hesitant to risk Stech or Tanev in the process.  Best case scenario Tryamkin comes back for this season and gets to show what he can do in the NHL before we commit to him over those guys.

You know how much I have wanted Tryamkin back

but I am beginning to think that training camp is the time to 

start his come back

That way, he earns his spot and no one can argue about it

no gifting, no spot given, just earn it like everyone else

 

Too many questions coming at the end of the season

 

How good is he?

Does him coming back early make him waiver eligible for the expansion draft?

Who sits?

 

So, unless Benning know something we don't know...…….Entirely possible!

I would as soon have him start next year

But I would like him over here asap to acclimatize 

Skate with the boys through the summer, learn English, etc

[Hairy Kneel]

13 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

You know how much I have wanted Tryamkin back

but I am beginning to think that training camp is the time to 

start his come back

That way, he earns his spot and no one can argue about it

no gifting, no spot given, just earn it like everyone else

 

Too many questions coming at the end of the season

 

How good is he?

Does him coming back early make him waiver eligible for the expansion draft?

Who sits?

 

So, unless Benning know something we don't know...…….Entirely possible!

I would as soon have him start next year

But I would like him over here asap to acclimatize 

Skate with the boys through the summer, learn English, etc

You might be right about the expansion draft part. Benning will know. But I think it's like 70 NHL games the previous two years. Or 40 NHL games the previous year. Not sure if that includes playoff games.

Edited November 4, 2019 by Hairy Kneel

[Gawdzukes]

Who has ever just decided they want to play NHL hockey and dedicated themselves to making the NHL out of the blue? How many have ever made it? Zero, that's how many. I've seen Mario come back from cancer to win the scoring race, I've seen seen Saku Koivu come back from cancer against all odds to lead his team to playoffs, and recently I've seen Robin Lehner battle personal addiction to return to the NHL. Radulov is maybe one guy that comes to mind that left to Russia and then returned to be a difference maker. Other than that normal people don't just "decide" that the NHL is something they might consider if they aren't to preoccupied with their current occupation. I seriously question whether Nikita has the drive and/or will to be an NHL player.

 

https://thehockeywriters.com/mario-lemieuxs-greatest-ice-performance/

Edited November 4, 2019 by Gawdzukes

[Me_]

“Would the Canucks be a legit playoff darkhorse if Nikita Tryamkin returned this season?”

 

the Canucks are already a darkhorse playoff contender; that is contingent on staying healthy. A healthy Canucks team is a playoff team.

[iceman64]

11 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

If anyone watched the Ducks game and wants to tell me that we don't have a spot for Tryamkin, I'm all ears.  

 

I'm talking about the Ducks game from two nights ago where we were definitely pushed around. 

You just described the post season... Series of games that teams will try to wear us down so that's exactly it.. people have no idea how valuable Tree really is... The man can throw other men around like rag dolls FFS! 

[rekker]

7 minutes ago, iceman64 said:

You just described the post season... Series of games that teams will try to wear us down so that's exactly it.. people have no idea how valuable Tree really is... The man can throw other men around like rag dolls FFS! 

Not just other men. The Getzlafs, Thorton, Benn types of the hockey world. Tryamkin would be a great addition moving forward. Just check out St Louis Stanley Cup winning D corps. 

[Hindustan Smyl]

13 hours ago, Boudrias said:

All points worth considering. I don't have much use for the KHL and Tryamkin's time there probably set him back if the NHL was his ultimate goal. We won't know where he is ability wise until/if he returns. Odds are high that it will take time for him to get up to speed. Does that happen during CUP playoffs? I doubt coach Green would be on side with that. The other aspect is team cohesiveness which might be hurt if a d-man they had played with all year was sat out. Injuries being what they are it might be the other side of the equation. He might be needed. 

That’s a great point about team cohesiveness.

 

If Tree is brought back, I think what the Canucks should do is put him in a conditioning stint down in Utica so that he gets his fitness back to an NHL level (if he’s not there already).  Once an injury occurs, you can then call Tryamkin up.

 

Kill two birds with one stone.

[iceman64]

19 minutes ago, Hindustan Smyl said:

That’s a great point about team cohesiveness.

 

If Tree is brought back, I think what the Canucks should do is put him in a conditioning stint down in Utica so that he gets his fitness back to an NHL level (if he’s not there already).  Once an injury occurs, you can then call Tryamkin up.

 

Kill two birds with one stone.

Why wouldn't you have him do all that up with the team? Dress him as a 7th D with ice time alloted to how he plays..  

[Hindustan Smyl]

4 hours ago, iceman64 said:

Why wouldn't you have him do all that up with the team? Dress him as a 7th D with ice time alloted to how he plays..  

I figured in the A, he’d get more playing time while also having more of a chance to adjust his fitness level to NHL standards.    Either option would be good though.    Just get em over here!  

[tas]

8 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

You know how much I have wanted Tryamkin back

but I am beginning to think that training camp is the time to 

start his come back

That way, he earns his spot and no one can argue about it

no gifting, no spot given, just earn it like everyone else

 

Too many questions coming at the end of the season

 

How good is he?

Does him coming back early make him waiver eligible for the expansion draft?

Who sits?

 

So, unless Benning know something we don't know...…….Entirely possible!

I would as soon have him start next year

But I would like him over here asap to acclimatize 

Skate with the boys through the summer, learn English, etc

 

4 hours ago, Hindustan Smyl said:

That’s a great point about team cohesiveness.

 

If Tree is brought back, I think what the Canucks should do is put him in a conditioning stint down in Utica so that he gets his fitness back to an NHL level (if he’s not there already).  Once an injury occurs, you can then call Tryamkin up.

 

Kill two birds with one stone.

why do people think tryamkin would suddenly be willing to earn his ice time and play in the minors?

 

if you bring the guy over, you have to be prepared to gift him top 4 ice or watch him sulk and eventually take his ball and go home. 

[IBatch]

8 hours ago, rekker said:

Not just other men. The Getzlafs, Thorton, Benn types of the hockey world. Tryamkin would be a great addition moving forward. Just check out St Louis Stanley Cup winning D corps. 

He might come with some liabilities - hard to really know how good he is,  but you’d have to assume he’s better then he was, and he’d make a great third pairing guy based on that alone.   Scary big and skates like the wind.    He can’t play with any other NHL team until July 2022....right now id say JB will do his best to sign him and bring him back ASAP.   He said as much last summer....so Stetcher is probably the odd man out, and IF he comes, we will have one monster sized defense.  

[Gurn]

2 hours ago, IBatch said:

but you’d have to assume he’s better then he was

Why would you assume that?

He has been out of the best league in the world for 3 years. 

 

 

[J.I.A.H.N]

9 minutes ago, gurn said:

Why would you assume that?

He has been out of the best league in the world for 3 years. 

 

 

Why would you think otherwise?

 

Petey played in the SHL the year before coming over, and it is a lesser league than the KHL

It did not seem to hurt his development 

Austin Mathews played in the Swiss league....it did not hurt him

 

Alexander Radulov's playing history is very much like Tryamkin's

his history is actually more questionable by your standards

He played 2 years in the NHL, then back to the KHL for 4, then back to the NHL for 9 games

then back to the KHL for another 4 years, then back to the NHL at 30 years of age

where the last 2 years he has had 72 point seasons.

 

The problem, is that some people think you can not develop anywhere but the NHL

which has been totally debunked

 

There were some pretty good older Russian defensemen that came over at the same time as

Larionov and Markarov back in 1989-1990 season.

(these 2 were older than Tryamkin is now, when they came) 

The guys played in Detroit, and Pittsburgh, the names escape me, but the guys mentioned

played very good hockey over here when they came, and again by your standards

they should not have been able to keep up, or have any skill

 

The point is, we will not know, until he gets here, and has had some time to adjust

Very foolish to write him off before he even gets here

[Gurn]

6 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

Petey played in the SHL the year before coming over, and it is a lesser league than the KHL

It did not seem to hurt his development 

Austin Mathews played in the Swiss league....it did not hurt him

These players did not leave the best league and go to a lesser league.

 

7 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

There were some pretty good older Russian defensemen that came over at the same time as

Larionov and Markarov back in 1989-1990 season.

(these 2 were older than Tryamkin is now, when they came) 

The guys played in Detroit, and Pittsburgh, the names escape me, but the guys mentioned

played very good hockey over here when they came, and again by your standards

they should not have been able to keep up, or have any skill

Those Russian where HHOF players, are suggesting Nikita is of that calibre?

 

Thing is I am not assuming he is better, or he is worse; just saying I don't assume he is better.

 

[flat land fish]

Having some guys on your roster that the other team has to fear and it respect is a powerful deterrent.  Just a matter of big nik is on-board playing a 3rd pairing role on what is a good team.

[Hairy Kneel]

8 minutes ago, gurn said:

These players did not leave the best league and go to a lesser league.

 

Those Russian where HHOF players, are suggesting Nikita is of that calibre?

 

Thing is I am not assuming he is better, or he is worse; just saying I don't assume he is better.

 

His fitness is better. His maturity is better. He makes the easier play in his own end. He wins most of his board battles and comes out with the puck. He has a very good sense of the crease. I've seen him skate away from a puck battle in the corner, ie let his guy cover the battle,  to cover a open guy in the crease and not allow a shot. Reflex reaction would be to follow the puck and get in a mellee behind the net which he didn't do.

And ^^ yes Flat Land Fish he's not a complainer he'd be happy being on the third pairing to start. He has a high compete level and team first type. He'll answer the chippy stuff.

[RakuRaku]

What credible source says he could be coming back??? he won't consider coming back unless we guarantee him top 4 D-men minutes which makes no sense!

 

I've had enough of this guy... you can tell he's got some super ego when his agent put in a clause to exempt himself from going to the AHL... then jetted off to Russia for family reasons and lack of playing time. His #88 has been given to Gaudette and I honestly don't think he could take us to the next level.. I'd rather trade his rights for a 2nd round pick!

 

Maybe we should instead talk about Tryamkin possibly returning next season if Tanev is not extended.

[iceman64]

10 hours ago, tas said:

 

why do people think tryamkin would suddenly be willing to earn his ice time and play in the minors?

 

if you bring the guy over, you have to be prepared to gift him top 4 ice or watch him sulk and eventually take his ball and go home. 

Bullshi_!  He wouldn't have to train anywhere except on the team as Willy idiot D should have done in the first place.. I can't even fathom he even thought of sending him down for conditioning when we have coaches for that, especially since we needed his presence on the ice or on the bench as he earned mins, and everyone knew how soft we were.. 

 He already knows what to expect here and I wouldn't go believing rumours either if I were you, I would have if I were him. WD was a joke coach and we paid for it dearly but he's gone and we stand a better chance of getting everything we need out of tree with Travis as benchboss, I have enough confidence in that so relax dude.. it'll be fine

[iceman64]

5 hours ago, Virtanen#18 said:

What credible source says he could be coming back??? he won't consider coming back unless we guarantee him top 4 D-men minutes which makes no sense!

 

I've had enough of this guy... you can tell he's got some super ego when his agent put in a clause to exempt himself from going to the AHL... then jetted off to Russia for family reasons and lack of playing time. His #88 has been given to Gaudette and I honestly don't think he could take us to the next level.. I'd rather trade his rights for a 2nd round pick!

 

Maybe we should instead talk about Tryamkin possibly returning next season if Tanev is not extended.

Seriously? Lmfao! How did you ever come up with that? 

 And you don't actually believe he'd demand top 4?  

Edited November 4, 2019 by iceman64