[Rumour] Mikael Granlund Available

[mll]

8 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

If they're looking for an effective replacement in their top 6, then they're not getting that in a Granlund deal. Unless they hope Baertschi can fill that need. Granlund's value is low and not many teams are going to be able to fit his contract even this season.

 

I said in my post that I'm aware they aren't in need of centers, but Sutter has been playing wing just fine and is another insurance marker as a center. Gives them options to load a line by having Duchene and Johansen together or whatever to fill that top 6 hole potentially unless they want to offload picks and prospects to bolster the top 6 instead. I'd also suggest that Sutter would make a much better 4th line center than the projected Turris that you have there. Sutter would add experience on Trenin. They could still trade Smith as well for a pick or whatever. Also having a bunch of listed centers doesn't mean they are good at center eg Markus Granlund was a listed center when he was here, same with Gagner, neither were good in that role at the NHL level.

 

Carrier could be an extra dman or rotate in for Stecher if need be. Both Weber and Irwin are 30+ year old UFAs that could be replaced and upgraded with more youthful Stecher and Carrier.

 

Trade Granlund for a pick and be done with his cap hit.   Have that free cap space to target Taylor Hall or Kreider to fill that top-6 role.  Hall has familiarity with Hynes.  Use also that cap space to add a physical D.  Nashville is such a soft team.  

 

Stecher brings no physicality.  Carrier is not physical either.  They are missing toughness in their top-6 and on D.

Turris is going to be on the team - he's a 6M cap hit for another 4 years.  They need to make it work.  There are no trade partners and maybe he fits better under Hynes. Trenin-Turris-Blackwell have been their best line under Hynes - small sample but they seem to click.  

 

Edited January 21, 2020 by mll

[wildcam]

2 hours ago, the grinder said:

yep I hate to say it  Stecher isn't worth the 3.8  and neither is Leivo at 2.5  , its not that I don't like them, we just need the cap space  and we have Rafferty Joelevi, Hoglander , Lind etc to fill those spots.. 

The average salary in NHL is over 3.3 million Dollars ? 

Lievo on pace for 38 points playing 3rd line duty is well worth between 2.0 million and 2.5 ....

Stetcher is a solid D man and will get between 3.5 - 4.0 million Dollars - I feel Canucks will package Stetcher..

Hoglander and Lind are not NHL ready at least 2 years away..

Rafferty future # 4 D  and Juolevi future #2 D man are ready for NHL very very soon..Might see both guys get in 5 games this season depending on injuries and playoff race..

Edited January 21, 2020 by wildcam

[Canuck Surfer]

3 hours ago, oldnews said:

Overall, I see the Canucks' position this way:

 

1) they are showing that they can compete with the players they presently have - the pressure or need to add is tapering off somewhat.  They also have some good, improving options from within.

2) they have done their spending when the market was low - via last summer's cap crunch for a lot of other teams = Miller, Myers, Ferland, Benn....there isn't a lot of flexibility left - there may be shorter term flexibility via Leivo and Ferland IR cap relief, but any deal is either a rental, sending cap back, or bloody well worth it.

3) the relative benefit of a rental has to be weighed against the asset costs - and imo it's better to retain their youth, prospect, picks at this point, and the flexibilty they afford moving forward, unless that rental is a game-changing, low risk addition that could put them 'over the top'.

 

For me that boils down to a limited field, which I wouldn't put Granlund in.

 

Ie

A guy already mentioned in this thread = Kreider.   Always wanted him - would pay a reasonable price to 'rent' and dream of re-signing him (that would cost additional assets to clear the space for him) - but if you are looking to enhance your competitiveness short term for a run, that is the player - that when added to a mix with Miller, Pearson, Horvat, Virtanen, etc - becomes intimidatingly heavier - and a 'run' might become a realistic possibility if you add a player like that.    I'd probably kick that tire, but my expectations would be very low - and my underlying disposition a bit conservative at this point.  With the Rags falling off the pace though, he's possibly going to be hitting the market, so I can see why Nashville would want to get out ahead of that and shop a Granlund early. haha.

 

 

I really like this post.

 

The correct outlook as to whether we should, or should not trade.

 

The correct target, Kreider already is what Jake is becoming. Speed which will help our line up!

 

It would be great to have two on our team!

 

And when I really hope we ge him is this summer. When assets are not part of the equation!

[theo5789]

29 minutes ago, mll said:

 

Trade Granlund for a pick and be done with his cap hit.   Have that free cap space to target Taylor Hall or Kreider to fill that top-6 role.  Hall has familiarity with Hynes.  Use also that cap space to add a physical D.  Nashville is such a soft team.  

 

Stecher brings no physicality.  Carrier is not physical either.  They are missing toughness in their top-6 and on D.

Turris is going to be on the team - he's a 6M cap hit for another 4 years.  They need to make it work.  There are no trade partners and maybe he fits better under Hynes. Trenin-Turris-Blackwell have been their best line under Hynes - small sample but they seem to click.  

 

If they can find a buyer for Granlund and his entire cap for a pick, then good for them. They're more likely to just wait out his contract and let him walk than to expect any value from Granlund at this point. Cap dumps aren't easy these days with very little teams that have room. They have a projected 11 million in cap space next year (which includes Granlund gone), with spots to fill, so good luck to them trying to lock up Hall (not going to make them any tougher) or Kreider as if they haven't learned from the Duchene signing not making a big impact for them.

 

Stecher plays above his size. I disagree that he adds no physicality. He's certainly more physical than Weber. They play their top 4 a ton and have been able to carry and Weber and Irwin. Stecher is an upgrade on both and is younger.

 

I agree that they need to make it work with Turris, so why not get him proper offensive minutes and leave the 4th line duties to players more suited to the role? Guys like Trenin and Blackwell may look good in a small sample size, but how will they fare over the grind. There are a ton of AHL level guys that look decent in short spurts and then fizzle out over a longer period of time. If that line is their best line and they don't want any help because they feel those guys will sustain their play, then they can gladly accept their fate.

 

Blackwell is 5'9 and 26 years old and surely Sutter would add more physicality than him if in the same breath that Stecher isn't physical because of his size. Instead of going for the big fish UFAs, they could target Dillon as a UFA which also adds toughness to their D. Personally I think they are better off bolstering their depth and trying someone like Tolvanen in their top 6.

[mll]

9 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Carrier is 5'11'' & 175lbs.  If he had Ryan Ellis's ability to handle the puck under pressure. In the defensive end that is?

 

He would already have more than 5 NHL games to his CV at age 23. As it is, he is a PP QB specialist that is not really going to supplant anyone in their line up.  About to finish his post ELC 2knd 3 NHL contract having played just those 5 NHL games. 

 

You have a way of quoting the party line of each team. As if it is gospel. 

 

I recall 6 months ago you quoting the party speach, ie coaching stretegy, as spoken by their now just fired coach Laviolette. As reason they should not consider any of our forwards in trade. Because they would be a poor fit.  But here we are & they have a new coach. We are ahead of them in the standings. And players on their own team are now on the trade block. But they don't need any of our guys?

 

There is as much liklihood Carrier clears waivers next year. As there is him becoming the next Matt Grzylcyk. Clendenning was also an AHL all star.

 

Stecher is a fearce battler in all zones by a comparison. There is a reason he is in the NHL and Carrier is not. I give Allard in their system a better chance.  He is also that battler who punches above his weight defensively. And I believe Stecher would help Nashville more than Weber or Irwin who currently occupy their 6th & 7th man defensive roles. Price regardless, as Stecher has not earned any great raise. But is better than those two.  

 

A week before firing Laviolette Poile said he was not contemplating a coaching change - the radio segment is available.  I don't see the point on fantasising on what I would do.  I prefer understanding what a team says.  I get that they will change their minds as circumstances change and that sometimes teams lie.  Fwiw Hynes said he was contacted about a day before.  

 

Poile explained that he was really upset to be forced to make a coaching change and blamed himself and the players.  He also says they also have a clean slate.  He talked of how he prefers working with people to find solutions rather than make drastic changes.  He says players are better than what they are showing and warns that if anyone is caught being complacent he'll do something about it.  I understand it as not wanting to make a change to the core if he can avoid it.   

 

You are likely right on Carrier but does it really matter in Nashville?  Their 3rd pairing barely plays.  Irwin and Weber have taken turns being healthy scratched - they play 10-12 minutes a night for league minimum.  Now a bit more minutes because Ellis and Fabbro were injured.  Allard is also waiver eligible next season btw.  

 

Irwin and Weber are UFA - doubt they are back next season but it doesn't mean they can't go after other UFAs.  They don't have to add another non physical player and undersized at that. 

 

I could see them more interested in getting a top-4 D to give more time for Fabbro to develop.  Deploy him like they did Jones - playing still close to 20 minutes a night but rotating with different Ds.  His inexperience shows at times. I would think they are looking to add size in their top-6 and on D.  

 

Predators are selling upcoming UFAs - like any team not expected to make the playoffs do.  It's not surprising that they would want to get an asset for Granlund or Smith.  They don't look like a team that's going to do much if they get in.  They are 2nd last in the Central.  They do have games in hand.  Maybe they feel they are better off to do like the Sharks and regroup for next season.  4 more weeks to the TDL.  

 

[flickyoursedin]

He’d be a great buy low player! Might even be able to parlay his poor first half stats into a cheap extension If he plays well down the stretch. I still think he’s got 60 point seasons left if he can find himself in a top 6 role on a better team.

[mll]

48 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

If they can find a buyer for Granlund and his entire cap for a pick, then good for them. They're more likely to just wait out his contract and let him walk than to expect any value from Granlund at this point. Cap dumps aren't easy these days with very little teams that have room. They have a projected 11 million in cap space next year (which includes Granlund gone), with spots to fill, so good luck to them trying to lock up Hall (not going to make them any tougher) or Kreider as if they haven't learned from the Duchene signing not making a big impact for them.

 

Stecher plays above his size. I disagree that he adds no physicality. He's certainly more physical than Weber. They play their top 4 a ton and have been able to carry and Weber and Irwin. Stecher is an upgrade on both and is younger.

 

I agree that they need to make it work with Turris, so why not get him proper offensive minutes and leave the 4th line duties to players more suited to the role? Guys like Trenin and Blackwell may look good in a small sample size, but how will they fare over the grind. There are a ton of AHL level guys that look decent in short spurts and then fizzle out over a longer period of time. If that line is their best line and they don't want any help because they feel those guys will sustain their play, then they can gladly accept their fate.

 

Blackwell is 5'9 and 26 years old and surely Sutter would add more physicality than him if in the same breath that Stecher isn't physical because of his size. Instead of going for the big fish UFAs, they could target Dillon as a UFA which also adds toughness to their D. Personally I think they are better off bolstering their depth and trying someone like Tolvanen in their top 6.

 

I didn't have Blackwell on the team next season.  Trenin was drafted in 2015.  He's still young and they have developed him to make their team.  Poile insists that the road to Nashville goes through Milwaukee.  

 

Friedman thinks that Bonino would draw a lot of interest if Nashville wants to trade him - his line with Grimaldi has been their best this season.  He still has one year left.   With their window being now would it really make sense to trade him?  

 

Watson and Sissons are having poor seasons but they are starting new contracts - do they want to trade them or give them the opportunity to rebound.  Poile talks of clean slate for everyone.  

 

Sissons, Watson, Trenin, Bonino, Grimaldi and Turris - that's 6 spots.   To add Sutter they would have to put one in the pressbox or trade one.  

 

Smith is also in that bottom-6 group but he is UFA and available - looks like they will part ways.  Creates that spot for Trenin.   No idea how they are going to combine their lines but Bonino Sissons Watson has been a solid shutdown line in the past which would leave Turris with Grimaldi and Trenin.  Last game Hynes had Watson besides Johansen.  Lines aren't set.

In the top-6 Forsberg, Jarnkrok, Johansen, Duchene, Arvidsson all signed long term - one spot open by Granlund.  Do they want to touch their core?  I think they would prefer to make it work.  Jarnkrok is a top-6 by default.  He has mostly played bottom-6 in the past.  

 

They could possibly add 2 top-6 to push Jarnkrok down and one of the bottom-6 to the pressbox.   

 

There's a month to go to the TDL.  Sutter has had so many injuries which could make several teams reluctant to trade for him.  

 

Edited January 22, 2020 by mll

[Devron]

1 hour ago, wildcam said:

The average salary in NHL is over 3.3 million Dollars ? 

Lievo on pace for 38 points playing 3rd line duty is well worth between 2.0 million and 2.5 ....

Stetcher is a solid D man and will get between 3.5 - 4.0 million Dollars - I feel Canucks will package Stetcher..

Hoglander and Lind are not NHL ready at least 2 years away..

Rafferty future # 4 D  and Juolevi future #2 D man are ready for NHL very very soon..Might see both guys get in 5 games this season depending on injuries and playoff race..

It will be a sad day when Stecher has to go but chances are he won’t be worth the contract. Always nice having local guys on the team and the guy plays his heart out everything game.

[Gator]

7 hours ago, NexusRift said:

Don't need him. He'll be more serviceable to a SC contending team. He'll be snatched up by an eastern conference contender.

We not cup contenders? Were currently leading our division

[Devron]

11 minutes ago, Brock Botanen said:

We not cup contenders? Were currently leading our division

Not a true contender. Couple points and we are out of a playoffs spot as well. Not yet my friend but we will be, hold tight.

[Kanukfanatic]

We have enough middling forwards. Don't need another.

[Gator]

52 minutes ago, Devron44 said:

Not a true contender. Couple points and we are out of a playoffs spot as well. Not yet my friend but we will be, hold tight.

Were that young high flying team no1 will want to play. Were not a top 5 contending team, but if we get in this team could make a serious run

[Devron]

4 minutes ago, Brock Botanen said:

Were that young high flying team no1 will want to play. Were not a top 5 contending team, but if we get in this team could make a serious run

Anything can happen once you are in that’s for sure 

[theo5789]

2 hours ago, mll said:

 

I didn't have Blackwell on the team next season.  Trenin was drafted in 2015.  He's still young and they have developed him to make their team.  Poile insists that the road to Nashville goes through Milwaukee.  

 

Friedman thinks that Bonino would draw a lot of interest if Nashville wants to trade him - his line with Grimaldi has been their best this season.  He still has one year left.   With their window being now would it really make sense to trade him?  

 

Watson and Sissons are having poor seasons but they are starting new contracts - do they want to trade them or give them the opportunity to rebound.  Poile talks of clean slate for everyone.  

 

Sissons, Watson, Trenin, Bonino, Grimaldi and Turris - that's 6 spots.   To add Sutter they would have to put one in the pressbox or trade one.  

 

Smith is also in that bottom-6 group but he is UFA and available - looks like they will part ways.  Creates that spot for Trenin.   No idea how they are going to combine their lines but Bonino Sissons Watson has been a solid shutdown line in the past which would leave Turris with Grimaldi and Trenin.  Last game Hynes had Watson besides Johansen.  Lines aren't set.

In the top-6 Forsberg, Jarnkrok, Johansen, Duchene, Arvidsson all signed long term - one spot open by Granlund.  Do they want to touch their core?  I think they would prefer to make it work.  Jarnkrok is a top-6 by default.  He has mostly played bottom-6 in the past.  

 

They could possibly add 2 top-6 to push Jarnkrok down and one of the bottom-6 to the pressbox.   

 

There's a month to go to the TDL.  Sutter has had so many injuries which could make several teams reluctant to trade for him.  

 

Something isn't working there right now. They have a decent team on paper. They've changed the coaching, if that doesn't solve the problem, then maybe their lineup makeup isn't right. Duchene hasn't really lived up to the billing so far and Turris was a dud. Do they think signing more high priced FAs is the solution? Not even sure if they can afford it. Moving a couple pending UFAs isn't going to resolve that.

 

They could wait things out, but the rumour is they're looking to sell, so they're trying to make something happen and at the same time, I'm sure they don't want to throw this season away.

Edited January 22, 2020 by theo5789

[GhostsOf1994]

8 hours ago, wildcam said:

So with 18 million Dollars to spend this summer we will not have much free money to spend on Grandlund 27 yrs old, 5'10. 185 lbs..

 

So 18 million and players to sign.....

30 - Markstrom 5.5 million - 4 yrs -- hope we have clues to trade in season 2021 with expansion if we need to...

23 - Virtanen - 3.5 x 4yrs -- This important young forward is key with his size and skill, speed..6'1 -220 lbs -- 20-25 G  -- 44-48 points

26 - Lievo -  2.5 x 3 yrs  -- solid top 9 forward can move up lineup..

30 - Tanev - 5 million x 4 yrs ? might sign or trade ?

25- Stetcher - 3.8 million x 4 yrs ?? I really feel Stetcher will be packaged in trade..

 

So with 18 million Jim will have to move some bodies out but we have some bodies in Utica ready to move up..

Rafferty D - 24 yrs old, 6'2 -- Juolevi  D , 22 , 6'2 will be future #2 o # 3 D man for many years..

MacEwen 6'4 - 23 ready for 4th line role..

 

Bright exciting future stay on path.

 

 

You're missing Gaudette, he needs to be signed aswell.

 

Leivo and Stecher won't be back.

 

Loui, Baertschi and sutter need to be moved out too.

[wildcam]

5 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said:

You're missing Gaudette, he needs to be signed aswell.

 

Leivo and Stecher won't be back.

 

Loui, Baertschi and sutter need to be moved out too.

Yes Gaudette will get the 1.4 - 1.6 million x 2yrs show me deal..

I agree Stetcher will be moved with Rafferty and Juolevi ready...

[Junkyard Dog]

Just now, wildcam said:

Yes Gaudette will get the 1.4 - 1.6 million x 2yrs show me deal..

I agree Stetcher will be moved with Rafferty and Juolevi ready...

I could see him and Virtanen getting over 2 million show me deals for 2 years. Nothing over 3 though. 2 years after this one Loui/Luo/Roussel/Beagle are gone. So we will have enough cap to sign them long-term then

[Metal Face Doom]

2 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

We have enough middling forwards. Don't need another.

So what?  You want a bonafide All-star?  Not happening.  

 

I think depending on the cost, Granlund would be a great addition.   

[flickyoursedin]

3 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

We have enough middling forwards. Don't need another.

It’s the idea of buying low on a guy. It hasn’t worked for him in Nashville. He was on a 60 point pace just last year until he got traded to Nashville and struggled a bit. He still finished with 54 points last year and surpassed the 60 point mark both seasons before that. At 27 years old one could think he’s got more to give and could become one of the cheaper targets but give you the best bang for your buck at this deadline.

[kenhodgejr]

Calgary looking for speed and skill for top 6 wing. He might be a buy low gamble worth taking