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2 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said:

I don't recall anyone on here thinking that Jurmo was going to be a top pairing Dman. He is more likely going to be on the 2nd pairing but that is OK too as we need a lot of different skill sets on the D.

 

Honestly man, it was just a completely random thought. These are the prospects that should be left alone to brew. No expectations here at all. 

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2 hours ago, Convincing John said:

It’s probably a complete coincidence but do you ever notice how the Fins rarely pump out a top pairing Dman? I am drawing a blank here, I can’t even think of one. 

We have had two.........

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1 hour ago, Convincing John said:

30 years ago 

and way does this have to turn into a “I’ll show him” condescending high 5 party? 

Salo wasn’t 30 years ago.  
And what are you talking about, sensitive Sally?

You were wrong.....    

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4 hours ago, Convincing John said:

30 years ago 

and way does this have to turn into a “I’ll show him” condescending high 5 party? 

When someone points out that your opinion conflicts with the facts, if you were to acknowledge that you were wrong, people would be less likely to continue to point out your error.

 

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43 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said:

When someone points out that your opinion conflicts with the facts, if you were to acknowledge that you were wrong, people would be less likely to continue to point out your error.

 

I don’t think I’m wrong though, it’s probably a crazy coincidence but not a lot of good D come out of Finland. I wasn’t trying to bash anyone. I just think it’s a statistical anomaly that’s mildly entertaining. The Fins have pumped out so many forwards and goalies compared to defenseman and using Salo to somehow prove me wrong when I was just passively bringing up an observation is condescending without merit. 
 

I think it’s weird that Finland doesn’t produce THAT many TOP pairing defenders. @drummerboy

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5 hours ago, Convincing John said:

30 years ago 

and way does this have to turn into a “I’ll show him” condescending high 5 party? 

do try to get over yourself.

 

you posted something and got answers.

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25 minutes ago, Convincing John said:

I think it’s weird that Finland doesn’t produce THAT many TOP pairing defenders

Just what were you expecting from a country of 5.53 million people anyway.

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25 minutes ago, gurn said:

Just what were you expecting from a country of 5.53 million people anyway.

I can’t believe it’s gone this far. I guess I’d expect a balanced Ratio of forwards, defence, goalies? The volume of D men isn’t lacking, it’s the quality. 

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4 hours ago, Convincing John said:

I don’t think I’m wrong though, it’s probably a crazy coincidence but not a lot of good D come out of Finland. I wasn’t trying to bash anyone. I just think it’s a statistical anomaly that’s mildly entertaining. The Fins have pumped out so many forwards and goalies compared to defenseman and using Salo to somehow prove me wrong when I was just passively bringing up an observation is condescending without merit. 
 

I think it’s weird that Finland doesn’t produce THAT many TOP pairing defenders. @drummerboy

But you are though.   That’s why people keep telling you that you are wrong.  
To have an opinion that goes against fact will get you a bunch of responses telling you that you’re wrong.  

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18 minutes ago, drummerboy said:

But you are though.   That’s why people keep telling you that you are wrong.  
To have an opinion that goes against fact will get you a bunch of responses telling you that you’re wrong.  

IMO then. 

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18 hours ago, gurn said:

I appreciate this list but, to be honest, having seen most of these players live, I’m not sure many of them can exactly be called “top” pairing d-men. Not even our own beloved Sami Salo was quite top pair in actual deployment. You’d have a case for Heiskanen, Numminen, Vatenan in his heyday, certainly Timonen, even Lumme but the rest of the list hilights offensive specialists or solid 3/4’s. 

 

Not trying to troll at all, but I’m likely not settling for anyone other than Heiskanen on this list if I’m looking for a dominant, game changing/controlling #1. And I’m a steadfast and long time lover of the Finns!!!!!

 

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4 hours ago, Convincing John said:

I can’t believe it’s gone this far. I guess I’d expect a balanced Ratio of forwards, defence, goalies? The volume of D men isn’t lacking, it’s the quality. 

I get your point CJohn. For me it’s the lack of TOP pair quality that is of issue. Why this hit a nerve can only be explained by the dearth of actual game day fodder. 

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1 hour ago, zimmy said:

I get your point CJohn. For me it’s the lack of TOP pair quality that is of issue. Why this hit a nerve can only be explained by the dearth of actual game day fodder. 

Thank you bro, I seriously thought I was losing my mind. Then I just continued to dig a deeper and deeper hole. Thanks for the rope. It had no malice intent, I’ve always wondered why Finland has all these great forwards and goalies but a tiny handful of D that have played in an all star game or have been on a top pairing, It’s weird. 

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3 hours ago, Convincing John said:

IMO then. 

Salo and Lumme didn’t happen?

No Heiskanen?   
Im almost certain I’ve watched Timonen, Lydmen, Pitkanen and a bunch others.   
hahahaha.  
You see what I’m getting at?    
Your opinion doesn’t mean anything when there are direct facts to prove you wrong.  
 

I think blood is really Clamato, and that’s what’s running through our bodies..........

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1 hour ago, drummerboy said:

Salo and Lumme didn’t happen?

No Heiskanen?   
Im almost certain I’ve watched Timonen, Lydmen, Pitkanen and a bunch others.   
hahahaha.  
You see what I’m getting at?    
Your opinion doesn’t mean anything when there are direct facts to prove you wrong.  
 

I think blood is really Clamato, and that’s what’s running through our bodies..........

Nothing to get so worked up about. If you read back a bit, the thread has taken on a nuance that you might be missing. 

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2 hours ago, drummerboy said:

Salo and Lumme didn’t happen?

No Heiskanen?   
Im almost certain I’ve watched Timonen, Lydmen, Pitkanen and a bunch others.   
hahahaha.  
You see what I’m getting at?    
Your opinion doesn’t mean anything when there are direct facts to prove you wrong.  
 

I think blood is really Clamato, and that’s what’s running through our bodies..........

I love Caesars so you better not be lying to me cause I’m fixing to try something stupid here. This could save me a lot of money. 

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