Coronavirus outbreak

[JM_]

12 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Yep. Awful lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on ITT.....

and so much of it based on misunderstanding how our health system works. Which is OK, many people don't. But at least try to find out before slamming leaders for things out of their control. 

[GSP*]

18 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Yep. Awful lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on ITT.....

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/british-columbia/2021/10/12/1_5620964.amp.html
 

"Month after month after month, week after week, B.C. decided not to follow the science and ignore (airborne transmission) and I think it's lead to preventable deaths and infections,” he said, describing aerosol spread as the province’s Achilles heel.
 

 

In the spring of 2021, B.C.’s reluctance to accept the science of airborne transmission made health officials the target of an international review that called the stubbornness “both a mystery and a scandal.”

 

 

 

Possamai, who has criticized B.C.’s secrecy and refusal to collect or disclose data in another report, pointed out there’s an urgent need to address the airborne transmission gap in the province’s policies and public health education.

“We need to start getting this right and I think every week that in B.C. portable air purifiers are not put into schools and other facilities is a week lost and a week that endangers children and their families,” he insisted. “We really need to look seriously at this." 

[GSP*]

23 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Yep. Awful lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on ITT.....

B.C. COVID-19 vaccine providers told they can't wear N95 masks
 

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/british-columbia/2022/1/1/1_5725537.amp.html

[AbbyNux]

3 minutes ago, GSP* said:

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/british-columbia/2021/10/12/1_5620964.amp.html
 

"Month after month after month, week after week, B.C. decided not to follow the science and ignore (airborne transmission) and I think it's lead to preventable deaths and infections,” he said, describing aerosol spread as the province’s Achilles heel.
 

 

In the spring of 2021, B.C.’s reluctance to accept the science of airborne transmission made health officials the target of an international review that called the stubbornness “both a mystery and a scandal.”

 

 

 

Possamai, who has criticized B.C.’s secrecy and refusal to collect or disclose data in another report, pointed out there’s an urgent need to address the airborne transmission gap in the province’s policies and public health education.

“We need to start getting this right and I think every week that in B.C. portable air purifiers are not put into schools and other facilities is a week lost and a week that endangers children and their families,” he insisted. “We really need to look seriously at this." 

Bonnie will always be a hero to some. 

 

Dix is worse in my opinion. 

[AbbyNux]

1 hour ago, stawns said:

Yeah, I'm thinking we shouldn't take the Brits advice anymore than the Americans

I don't know, they only had 48 covid deaths yesterday, which was 9,500 short of their modeling. Something is working. 

[Warhippy]

14 hours ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

The flaccid dad bods in this thread don't understand that you cannot achieve the same type of strength and muscle building routine outside doing "whatever" or using bodyweight exercises, especially when you are conditioned to a weight room with actual weights. 

As a person who works out and helps do rehabilitative training/reductive conditioning for people recovering from injuries.

 

Do go on.  

 

Bands, home based benches/systems like Mirror and tonal or the Atlas are more than a match for most gym based systems and come with built in training programs.

 

I also know of at least 3 farm boys that can out lift, out pull and out hustle any gym rat meat head you can bring up. 

 

Absolute statements of this nature are ridiculous and attention seeking.

Edited January 5, 2022 by Warhippy

[Ghostsof1915]

1 hour ago, stawns said:

Yeah, I'm thinking we shouldn't take the Brits advice anymore than the Americans

They are seeing how stupid listening to the far right paranoia and going through Brexit. It hasn't solved anything. It's made things worse. 

[AbbyNux]

35 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

They are seeing how stupid listening to the far right paranoia and going through Brexit. It hasn't solved anything. It's made things worse. 

48 deaths when they were expecting 10,000 seems like a good ratio. 

[AbbyNux]

47 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

As a person who works out and helps do rehabilitative training/reductive conditioning for people recovering from injuries.

 

Do go on.  

 

Bands, home based benches/systems like Mirror and tonal or the Atlas are more than a match for most gym based systems and come with built in training programs.

 

I also know of at least 3 farm boys that can out lift, out pull and out hustle any gym rat meat head you can bring up. 

 

Absolute statements of this nature are ridiculous and attention seeking.

Yep, don't mess with farm boy strength. Real farm boys.

[nuckin_futz]

Apologies if this has been posted. But with all the pissing and moaning back and forth this thread is difficult to actually read.

 

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Covid: French uproar as Macron vows to 'piss off' unvaccinated

French President Emmanuel Macron has been accused of using divisive, vulgar language after he used a slang term to say he wanted to make life difficult for unvaccinated people.

 

"I really want to piss them off, and we'll carry on doing this - to the end," he told Le Parisien newspaper.

 

Three months ahead of a presidential election, opponents of Mr Macron said his words were unworthy of a president.

 

MPs halted debate on a law barring the unvaccinated from much of public life.

 

The session in the National Assembly was brought to a standstill for a second night running on Tuesday as opposition delegates complained about the president's language, with one leading figure describing it as "unworthy, irresponsible and premeditated".

 

The legislation is expected to be approved in a vote this week, but it has angered vaccine opponents and several French MPs have said they have received death threats over the issue.

 

Mandatory vaccinations are being introduced in several European countries, with Austria leading the way for over-14s from next month and Germany planning a similar move for adults. Italy's government was on Wednesday considering a compulsory vaccine pass for at least anyone over 60.

'A president shouldn't say that'

In his interview with Le Parisien on Tuesday, Mr Macron used the vulgar term emmerder to say how he wanted to stir up the unvaccinated. He would not "vaccinate by force" the remaining five million who had not had a dose, but hoped to encourage people to get the vaccines by "limiting as much as possible their access to activities in social life".

 

"I won't send [unvaccinated people] to prison," he said. "So we need to tell them, from 15 January, you will no longer be able to go to the restaurant. You will no longer be able to go for a coffee, you will no longer be able to go to the theatre. You will no longer be able to go to the cinema."

 

Ahead of a presidential election campaign in which Mr Macron is yet to announce his intention to run, his remarks prompted a strong reaction from opposition figures.

 

Right-wing Republicans candidate Valérie Pécresse said she was outraged that the president had accused unvaccinated people of not being citizens. "You have to accept them as they are - lead them, bring them together and not insult them," she told CNews.

 

Party colleague Bruno Retailleau said pointedly: "Emmanuel Macron says he has learned to love the French, but it seems he especially likes to despise them."

Far-right presidential candidate Marine Le Pen tweeted: "A president shouldn't say that... Emmanuel Macron is unworthy of his office."

 

Meanwhile, leftist politician Jean-Luc Mélenchon described the remarks as an astonishing confession: "It's clear, the vaccination pass is a collective punishment against individual freedom."

Edited January 5, 2022 by nuckin_futz

[King Heffy]

13 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

Apologies if this has been posted. But with all the pissing and moaning back and forth this thread is difficult to actually read.

 

*********************************************************

Covid: French uproar as Macron vows to 'piss off' unvaccinated

French President Emmanuel Macron has been accused of using divisive, vulgar language after he used a slang term to say he wanted to make life difficult for unvaccinated people.

 

"I really want to piss them off, and we'll carry on doing this - to the end," he told Le Parisien newspaper.

 

Three months ahead of a presidential election, opponents of Mr Macron said his words were unworthy of a president.

 

MPs halted debate on a law barring the unvaccinated from much of public life.

 

The session in the National Assembly was brought to a standstill for a second night running on Tuesday as opposition delegates complained about the president's language, with one leading figure describing it as "unworthy, irresponsible and premeditated".

 

The legislation is expected to be approved in a vote this week, but it has angered vaccine opponents and several French MPs have said they have received death threats over the issue.

 

Mandatory vaccinations are being introduced in several European countries, with Austria leading the way for over-14s from next month and Germany planning a similar move for adults. Italy's government was on Wednesday considering a compulsory vaccine pass for at least anyone over 60.

'A president shouldn't say that'

In his interview with Le Parisien on Tuesday, Mr Macron used the vulgar term emmerder to say how he wanted to stir up the unvaccinated. He would not "vaccinate by force" the remaining five million who had not had a dose, but hoped to encourage people to get the vaccines by "limiting as much as possible their access to activities in social life".

 

"I won't send [unvaccinated people] to prison," he said. "So we need to tell them, from 15 January, you will no longer be able to go to the restaurant. You will no longer be able to go for a coffee, you will no longer be able to go to the theatre. You will no longer be able to go to the cinema."

 

Ahead of a presidential election campaign in which Mr Macron is yet to announce his intention to run, his remarks prompted a strong reaction from opposition figures.

 

Right-wing Republicans candidate Valérie Pécresse said she was outraged that the president had accused unvaccinated people of not being citizens. "You have to accept them as they are - lead them, bring them together and not insult them," she told CNews.

 

Party colleague Bruno Retailleau said pointedly: "Emmanuel Macron says he has learned to love the French, but it seems he especially likes to despise them."

Far-right presidential candidate Marine Le Pen tweeted: "A president shouldn't say that... Emmanuel Macron is unworthy of his office."

 

Meanwhile, leftist politician Jean-Luc Mélenchon described the remarks as an astonishing confession: "It's clear, the vaccination pass is a collective punishment against individual freedom."

The antivax idiots are giving death threats?  Good on Macron, stop catering to these clowns and do the right thing for the vast majority of the population who have properly functioning brains. There is no reason to accept these biohazards for what they are.

Edited January 5, 2022 by King Heffy

[thedestroyerofworlds]

Reasonable people see this and think, "I'm going to do whatever I can to not end up in one of these due to Covid. "    

 

Anti-vaxxers don't think. 

[RUPERTKBD]

1 hour ago, AbbyNux said:

Bonnie will always be a hero to some. 

 

Dix is worse in my opinion. 

....and a villain to others.....

 

The reality, I think is that it's somewhere in between those two extremes, which IMHO, is understandable, since a purely scientific approach was never going to be in the cards. There were always going to be financial and social considerations taken into account.

 

"Follow the science" would have been the ideal, but we don't live in an ideal world.

[King Heffy]

3 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

....and a villain to others.....

 

The reality, I think is that it's somewhere in between those two extremes, which IMHO, is understandable, since a purely scientific approach was never going to be in the cards. There were always going to be financial and social considerations taken into account.

 

"Follow the science" would have been the ideal, but we don't live in an ideal world.

She's been complained about by both sides.  That's not necessarily a bad thing.

[4petesake]

24 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Reasonable people see this and think, "I'm going to do whatever I can to not end up in one of these due to Covid. "    

 

Anti-vaxxers don't think. 

I first learned of the “roto-prone” bed in @JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo’s post on page 1985, nasty looking device. If you are in this bed you are literally fighting for your last gasps of breath.

 

This is a bit long so I know most won’t bother but it is well worth the time.

 

 

 

[thedestroyerofworlds]

1 minute ago, 4petesake said:

I first learned of the “roto-prone” bed in @JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo’s post on page 1985, nasty looking device. If you are in this bed you are literally fighting for your last gasps of breath.

 

This is a bit long so I know most won’t bother but it is well worth the time.

 

 

 

Ya, just looking at it should be enough for anyone to conclude that you want to avoid them.  

[Alflives]

 

 

 

Chise Twitter

 

@sailorrooscout

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"We have 92% of our state vaccinated- but we have overflowing hospitals. So, that 8% of the population who has not been vaccinated is responsible for 75% of all the people that are filling up our COVID beds in the hospital." -Maryland Governor Larry Hogan https://cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/01/02/larry-hogan-full.cnn

[Warhippy]

33 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

I first learned of the “roto-prone” bed in @JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo’s post on page 1985, nasty looking device. If you are in this bed you are literally fighting for your last gasps of breath.

 

This is a bit long so I know most won’t bother but it is well worth the time.

 

 

damn that was a hard read  

[thedestroyerofworlds]

1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

damn that was a hard read  

There are others who've talked about how the constant beeping from monitor alarms (like O2 levels) that cannot be turned off or adjusted lower haunt them.  

[Warhippy]

6 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

There are others who've talked about how the constant beeping from monitor alarms (like O2 levels) that cannot be turned off or adjusted lower haunt them.  

My daughter was born almost 3.5 months premature, her first 3 months of life were spent with the SPo2 and brady event monitor alarm blaring on a daily basis.  A cpap machine glued to her, she has. a permanent scar on her nostril from where her skin actually started growing around the line up her nose.  I can absolutely imagine how damaging these could be to a person.  I slept next to an incubator for weeks and loud beeping noises like they gave off still make me jump up