Coronavirus outbreak

[gizmo2337]

3 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

The face shield in this situation is not respiratory protection it is eye protection. They should have N95 on under.  In the pictures posted earlier they don’t they have surgical masks though again the shields are only eye protection. 

The face shield wouldn't stop virus particles from hitting the eyes though, only large objects directly from the front. There's also no evidence or papers to support you can get covid through the eyes. Several papers prove that plexiglass barriers reduce ventilation and airflow and actually increase transmission. That's another BCCDC fail that they refuse to admit.
 

[DrJockitch]

16 minutes ago, gizmo2337 said:

The face shield wouldn't stop virus particles from hitting the eyes though, only large objects directly from the front. There's also no evidence or papers to support you can get covid through the eyes. Several papers prove that plexiglass barriers reduce ventilation and airflow and actually increase transmission. That's another BCCDC fail that they refuse to admit.
 

You are placing global trends squarely on Dr. Henry. I don’t know anything about the plexiglass barriers but is fairly standard to see face shield being used as eye protection. This is standard protocol for resp protection in most hospitals. ANSI certified eye ware that is close fitting is preferred. This more likely reflects a lack of a standard for eye protection though as ANSIhas nothing to do with infectious diseases. 
I actually got quarantined last year for not having appropriate eye protection when in contact with COVID patient. 

Edited January 7, 2022 by DrJockitch

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[Sapper]

1 hour ago, gizmo2337 said:

I've got a university degree in the sciences and been practicing professionally for more than 20 years. However, you don't need to be a scientist to recognize that even the WHO recognizes covid19 as airborne, yet our hospitals still don't have proper masks. If that's not her job, then what is?

There is a difference between saying in your opinion she is doing a poor job vs saying she is ranked within the bottom 3 globally 

 

Educated people can certainly make better assumptions based on logic but ranking the

Dr Henry within the world order for her proffesion is something only a peer would be qualified at making ...

 

That's all. 

 

And there are portions of her decisions I've not agreed with as well. Such as last Springs regional travel.bans and her early lifting of mask rules last year. If anything I think.she has tried to be too nice and find middle ground and at this point people have made it clear that please.and thank you didn't work - she needs to get tougher on.some items and not try to appease everyone  imo

 

I prefer more direct and blunt direction over the soft approach we are seeing. 

 

[AbbyNux]

1 hour ago, gizmo2337 said:

Straight from todays news. How many things are wrong here? Face shields are less than 2% effective, the virus just floats around the shield to get in your nose. The guy in the middle has his nose completely exposed, so his protection is basically zero. All three are wearing leaky surgical masks in the hospital instead of N95. Studies have shown the 40%+ of infections happen in the hospital, so it's a high risk zone.

This is the policy our BCCDC has mandated. It's obvious that it's a problem.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/covid-19-update-coming-as-b-c-s-hospitalization-rates-rise-1.5730185

Face shields were laughable from day one.

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

1 minute ago, AbbyNux said:

Face shields were laughable from day one.

You spelled AbbyNux wrong. 

[DrJockitch]

4 minutes ago, iwtl said:

There is a difference between saying in your opinion she is doing a poor job vs saying she is ranked within the bottom 3 globally 

 

Educated people can certainly make better assumptions based on logic but ranking the

Dr Henry within the world order for her proffesion is something only a peer would be qualified at making ...

 

That's all. 

 

And there are portions of her decisions I've not agreed with as well. Such as last Springs regional travel.bans and her early lifting of mask rules last year. If anything I think.she has tried to be too nice and find middle ground and at this point people have made it clear that please.and thank you didn't work - she needs to get tougher on.some items and not try to appease everyone  imo

 

I prefer more direct and blunt direction over the soft approach we are seeing. 

 

No peer would even attempt that as there is no method to do it. It would be a ranking made from whole cloth and likely more represent the evaluator than the subject. 
This is a situation where there is no perfect and some percentage of people will be mad no matter what. 

[DrJockitch]

2 minutes ago, AbbyNux said:

Face shields were laughable from day one.

You and Gizmo have been criticizing these measures a lot, what are you proposing?

Seems the same people that are criticizing measures are the same saying there shouldn’t be any. 
Something isn’t perfect so we should do nothing?

[Alflives]

13 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

 

We still don’t know weather these are patients in hospital with Covid or because of Covid yet, do we?  I thought dr. Bonnie said we were going to get that division in the updates soon?  

[rotiman187]

8 minutes ago, Alflives said:

We still don’t know weather these are patients in hospital with Covid or because of Covid yet, do we?  I thought dr. Bonnie said we were going to get that division in the updates soon?  

Anyone that is admitted into the hospital that tests positive for covid is a covid patient? Even if the admission is not covid related?  I thought that was the case. Or am I wrong? 

[gizmo2337]

Just now, iwtl said:

There is a difference between saying in your opinion she is doing a poor job vs saying she is ranked within the bottom 3 globally 

 

Educated people can certainly make better assumptions based on logic but ranking the

Dr Henry within the world order for her proffesion is something only a peer would be qualified at making ...

 

That's all. 

 

And there are portions of her decisions I've not agreed with as well. Such as last Springs regional travel.bans and her early lifting of mask rules last year. If anything I think.she has tried to be too nice and find middle ground and at this point people have made it clear that please.and thank you didn't work - she needs to get tougher on.some items and not try to appease everyone  imo

 

I prefer more direct and blunt direction over the soft approach we are seeing. 

 

It's the policy that's the problem. I'm not complaining about what is or isn't shut down.
-covid is airborne, and BCCDC refuses to admit that, continue with the failed cloth masking
-continues to recommend washing hands and cleaning surfaces when it is well known that covid is airborne and little to zero evidence of surface transmission
-N95 should be worn by all at higher risk which includes hospital workers, educators, and other unavoidable high risk jobs. Currently using mostly leaky surgical masks.
-plexiglass barriers actually increase transmission by reducing airflow, yet still recommended
-few recommendations for monitoring and/or increasing ventilation in schools or other public places. They should have resources posted so people know what to do.
-not testing or making tests available to monitor case loads BEFORE they hit the hospital and overwhelm
-hoarding test kits in a warehouse when they are needed the most. Note, she denied the kits existed but was proven wrong and that she lied about it.
-not setting good example in public. Today she didn't even wear a mask at all on TV lol. There was at least another camera guy in the room.
-if they can't afford N95, then they could have made them available for purchase. In most other countries you can get a N95 and covid test kit at the corner store.
-the vax passport does nothing for public health other than inflict pain on the unvaccinated. Coming soon: new definition of fully vaccinated for same passport
-very incomplete data is released. Most other places break down further by region and at least notify of outbreaks in schools - which is no longer done in BC
-booster shots should have been made available immediately to health workers and teachers. Hint: end of Jan will be too late.
-reduce quarantine to 5 days, when omicron data shows cases often testing positive past day 7
-coming soon: covid positive health care workers will be allowed to work - possibly on patients that aren't even covid positive
-coming soon: health workers relieved of duty for not taking the vaccine will be brought back (mostly thanks to the terrible policies above overwhelming hospitals)
-trying to say schools are safe, when clearly they needed better masks for teachers, improved ventilation and air quality monitoring.
-pay business owners to close/stay home instead of improving the safety with ventilation and other airborne policy measures

 If it were early 2020, one could understand. We are in 2022 though, and there's lots of data to support better health policy.

 

[AbbyNux]

16 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

You and Gizmo have been criticizing these measures a lot, what are you proposing?

Seems the same people that are criticizing measures are the same saying there shouldn’t be any. 
Something isn’t perfect so we should do nothing?

No face shields for SARS-COV-2.  No cloth masks for SARS-COV-2. They knew they weren't going to work. 

 

Look at the restaurant industry. Sit down, mask off, stand up, mask on. It's one of the most useless 'health orders' ever. 

 

Firm fitted masks would be the only way. 

[spur1]

3 minutes ago, AbbyNux said:

No face shields for SARS-COV-2.  No cloth masks for SARS-COV-2. They knew they weren't going to work. 

 

Look at the restaurant industry. Sit down, mask off, stand up, mask on. It's one of the most useless 'health orders' ever. 

 

Firm fitted masks would be the only way. 

Shut them down. 

[Sharpshooter]

7 minutes ago, gizmo2337 said:

It's the policy that's the problem. I'm not complaining about what is or isn't shut down.
-covid is airborne, and BCCDC refuses to admit that, continue with the failed cloth masking
-continues to recommend washing hands and cleaning surfaces when it is well known that covid is airborne and little to zero evidence of surface transmission
-N95 should be worn by all at higher risk which includes hospital workers, educators, and other unavoidable high risk jobs. Currently using mostly leaky surgical masks.
-plexiglass barriers actually increase transmission by reducing airflow, yet still recommended
-few recommendations for monitoring and/or increasing ventilation in schools or other public places. They should have resources posted so people know what to do.
-not testing or making tests available to monitor case loads BEFORE they hit the hospital and overwhelm
-hoarding test kits in a warehouse when they are needed the most. Note, she denied the kits existed but was proven wrong and that she lied about it.
-not setting good example in public. Today she didn't even wear a mask at all on TV lol. There was at least another camera guy in the room.
-if they can't afford N95, then they could have made them available for purchase. In most other countries you can get a N95 and covid test kit at the corner store.
-the vax passport does nothing for public health other than inflict pain on the unvaccinated. Coming soon: new definition of fully vaccinated for same passport
-very incomplete data is released. Most other places break down further by region and at least notify of outbreaks in schools - which is no longer done in BC
-booster shots should have been made available immediately to health workers and teachers. Hint: end of Jan will be too late.
-reduce quarantine to 5 days, when omicron data shows cases often testing positive past day 7
-coming soon: covid positive health care workers will be allowed to work - possibly on patients that aren't even covid positive
-coming soon: health workers relieved of duty for not taking the vaccine will be brought back (mostly thanks to the terrible policies above overwhelming hospitals)
-trying to say schools are safe, when clearly they needed better masks for teachers, improved ventilation and air quality monitoring.
-pay business owners to close/stay home instead of improving the safety with ventilation and other airborne policy measures

 If it were early 2020, one could understand. We are in 2022 though, and there's lots of data to support better health policy.

 

1) What evidence do you have that she lied? What evidence is there that there’s a hoard of testing kits?

 

2) When people are at the podium, they’re socially distanced and put their masks on before and after they’re done speaking. Why is that an issue? 

[gizmo2337]

2 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

1) What evidence do you have that she lied? What evidence is there that there’s a hoard of testing kits?

 

2) When people are at the podium, they’re socially distanced and put their masks on before and after they’re done speaking. Why is that an issue? 

The urban myth isn't an urban myth after all
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-has-1-3m-rapid-tests-in-a-warehouse-officials-confirm-after-top-doctor-called-it-an-urban-myth-1.5729530
 

[JM_]

2 hours ago, gizmo2337 said:

The metrics is "covid19 health policy measures".  This guy is a world expert in airborne transmission. BCCDC is currently #2 worst offender behind the Netherlands.

You could say she did a good job and the death rates are low. You could also say the health policy is very poor and not based in science and probably would have saved more lives done differently. See whichever angle you want to see. The rest of the world regularly mocks our PHO decisions because the provinces head scientist doesn't listen to science.

Just the other day, she was asked about the test kits in the warehouse, calling it an "urban myth" they existed. The news reporter followed up, and indeed there is 1.3M test kits in a warehouse. So on top of bad policy we are also getting lies. And no, we didn't need to save the test kits, there's 14M more on the way this month. Plus, the kits also have an expiry date.

Even the WHO admits covid is airborne, so why do we have to take off our N95 mask in the hospital and replace it with a surgical mask. It's lunacy, it's obvious, and none of the trained peer scientists are supporting such policy. And that's just one policy... the list is pretty long.
 

 

 

OK so you actually haven't provided me with a standard, or a measurement. You've provided a tweet.

 

Also, that tweet about being turned away is misleading. The wife and I got our boosters today, and they just ask you to put their clean mask over top of your N95.

 

As far as the workers go, they were all quite comfortable wearing the surgical mask. 

 

Posting a sensationalizing tweet isn't proof of anything. 

 

 

[Sharpshooter]

8 minutes ago, gizmo2337 said:

The urban myth isn't an urban myth after all
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-has-1-3m-rapid-tests-in-a-warehouse-officials-confirm-after-top-doctor-called-it-an-urban-myth-1.5729530
 

I appreciate the updated information. 
 

The rapid tests however are not the PCR tests, correct? 
 

I do hope that with the clarification(Dr. Henry can’t know everything about everything right?) that those looking for a rapid test will soon be able to receive one.

 

The rapid tests iirc are less reliable though no? 
 

Thanks again for the link and info. 

[Cerridwen]

26 minutes ago, gizmo2337 said:

It's the policy that's the problem. I'm not complaining about what is or isn't shut down.
-covid is airborne, and BCCDC refuses to admit that, continue with the failed cloth masking
-continues to recommend washing hands and cleaning surfaces when it is well known that covid is airborne and little to zero evidence of surface transmission
-N95 should be worn by all at higher risk which includes hospital workers, educators, and other unavoidable high risk jobs. Currently using mostly leaky surgical masks.
-plexiglass barriers actually increase transmission by reducing airflow, yet still recommended
-few recommendations for monitoring and/or increasing ventilation in schools or other public places. They should have resources posted so people know what to do.
-not testing or making tests available to monitor case loads BEFORE they hit the hospital and overwhelm
-hoarding test kits in a warehouse when they are needed the most. Note, she denied the kits existed but was proven wrong and that she lied about it.
-not setting good example in public. Today she didn't even wear a mask at all on TV lol. There was at least another camera guy in the room.
-if they can't afford N95, then they could have made them available for purchase. In most other countries you can get a N95 and covid test kit at the corner store.
-the vax passport does nothing for public health other than inflict pain on the unvaccinated. Coming soon: new definition of fully vaccinated for same passport
-very incomplete data is released. Most other places break down further by region and at least notify of outbreaks in schools - which is no longer done in BC
-booster shots should have been made available immediately to health workers and teachers. Hint: end of Jan will be too late.
-reduce quarantine to 5 days, when omicron data shows cases often testing positive past day 7
-coming soon: covid positive health care workers will be allowed to work - possibly on patients that aren't even covid positive
-coming soon: health workers relieved of duty for not taking the vaccine will be brought back (mostly thanks to the terrible policies above overwhelming hospitals)
-trying to say schools are safe, when clearly they needed better masks for teachers, improved ventilation and air quality monitoring.
-pay business owners to close/stay home instead of improving the safety with ventilation and other airborne policy measures

 If it were early 2020, one could understand. We are in 2022 though, and there's lots of data to support better health policy.

 

You sure do love to cherry pick, twist and misrepresent don't you?

[AbbyNux]

17 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

1) What evidence do you have that she lied? What evidence is there that there’s a hoard of testing kits?

 

2) When people are at the podium, they’re socially distanced and put their masks on before and after they’re done speaking. Why is that an issue? 

We aren't going to mandate the vaccine. ~ Bonnie Henry

[JM_]

Just now, Cerridwen said:

You sure do love to cherry pick, twist and misrepresent don't you?

the tweet from the so-called expert is extremely unprofessional. I wouldn't be taking advice from that guy over Dr. Henry.