Coronavirus outbreak

[gizmo2337]

42 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Giving the antivaxxers the same privileges as those of us who aren't worthless parasites is not the solution.  Getting rid of the vax mandates is the equivalent of letting a 12 year old eat candy for dinner because he won't eat his veggies.

So they don't deserve privileges? What do you mean. It's just a blatant forceful tactic to force someone to do what they decided they don't want to do. That's not Canadian or even supported in our Charter. Like going to the grocery store with escort so you can't buy anything but food (check Montreal)?

They are parasites? Who... the cancer patients that can't take it? The young kids, the people that don't believe the studies because they've shown little to be trusted on? The hate has gone too far, and that is exactly what this protest is about. Segregation and division based on vax status has always been dividing and pointless. We were never going to get out of this with 100% vax, so the argument is useless. Might as well unite and get back to supporting each other and move on.

[King Heffy]

Just now, gizmo2337 said:

So they don't deserve privileges? What do you mean. It's just a blatant forceful tactic to force someone to do what they decided they don't want to do. That's not Canadian or even supported in our Charter. Like going to the grocery store with escort so you can't buy anything but food (check Montreal)?

They are parasites? Who... the cancer patients that can't take it? The young kids, the people that don't believe the studies because they've shown little to be trusted on? The hate has gone too far, and that is exactly what this protest is about. Segregation and division based on vax status has always been dividing and pointless. We were never going to get out of this with 100% vax, so the argument is useless. Might as well unite and get back to supporting each other and move on.

So what do you propose as an alternative, given that "letter rip" is not an acceptable option?  I have no issue with those legitimately unable to take the vax, it's the idiots who can and are choosing not to that are causing the problem.  I agree that their tantrum has gone too far; they are more than welcome to shop online and can get any goods delivered right to their door.  At this point, they are simply not welcome in civilized society.  Decisions have consequences, it is not my problem that these clowns can't accept that.

[stawns]

18 minutes ago, gizmo2337 said:

So they don't deserve privileges? What do you mean. It's just a blatant forceful tactic to force someone to do what they decided they don't want to do. That's not Canadian or even supported in our Charter. Like going to the grocery store with escort so you can't buy anything but food (check Montreal)?

They are parasites? Who... the cancer patients that can't take it? The young kids, the people that don't believe the studies because they've shown little to be trusted on? The hate has gone too far, and that is exactly what this protest is about. Segregation and division based on vax status has always been dividing and pointless. We were never going to get out of this with 100% vax, so the argument is useless. Might as well unite and get back to supporting each other and move on.

Spare us the gaslighting bullsh!t.  That's exactly who were trying to protect by getting everyone else vaxxed.  

 

You know why I can't stand anti vaxxers?  It's not because I don't think you shouldnt have the choice, it's because on one hand they willingly, knowingly put vulnerable people at risk, then on the other hand they gaslight by pulling the "why can't we all just get along and love each other, why do you have to be so heartless" when consequences come down for their choices.

 

You assume the rest of us are too stupid to know what you're doing.

Edited January 28, 2022 by stawns

[King Heffy]

16 minutes ago, stawns said:

Spare us the gaslighting bullsh!t.  That's exactly who were trying to protect by getting everyone else vaxxed.  

 

You know why I can't stand anti vaxxers?  It's not because I don't think you shouldnt have the choice, it's because on one hand they willingly, knowingly put vulnerable people at risk, then on the other hand they gaslight by pulling the "why can't we all just get along and love each other, why do you have to be so heartless" when consequences come down for their choices.

 

You assume the rest of us are too stupid to know what you're doing.

I'd put him on ignore but I don't want to risk people taking the garbage he's spewing seriously.  His trolling is a little more subtle than the others, but the parrot will get to him eventually too.

[thedestroyerofworlds]

You just have to look over the moronic Memorandum Of Understanding to see how moronic this protest is.

 

They think that they will form a committee with the Senate and the Governor General to tell the Feds, provincial, territorial, and local governments to end the mandates and even waive all fines that have been given out.  

 

Delusional comes to mind.

 

https://canada-unity.com/mou/

[gizmo2337]

40 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

So what do you propose as an alternative, given that "letter rip" is not an acceptable option? 

You didn't notice that "let er rip" is already what our public health officer did? This isn't over though, there will be a new variant. We have to live with this.

I just went to an appointment today. They made me remove my KN95 mask to take my temperature to prevent transmission (not a good idea lol). Then remove my mask and glasses to take a picture. It didn't work out, so they closed the window and blinds and made me do it again. Sort of prevents ventilation and the plexiglass in between did nothing.
The message coming down from the top is wrong. 

I'm not a weirdo, I support everyone. You guys are a tough crowd to please. I hope the peaceful truckers may change your mind.

[King Heffy]

2 minutes ago, gizmo2337 said:

I'm not a weirdo, I support everyone. You guys are a tough crowd to please. I hope the peaceful truckers may change your mind.

And I hope they change their minds, stop acting like petulant children, and either take the damn vaccine or accept that their stupidity comes with consequences.

[gizmo2337]

4 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

And I hope they change their minds, stop acting like petulant children, and either take the damn vaccine or accept that their stupidity comes with consequences.

Let's check back on Monday and see. These people don't deserve to get crop dusted with covid19 protesting peacefully. Just regular Canadians making a difference.

[King Heffy]

16 minutes ago, gizmo2337 said:

Let's check back on Monday and see. These people don't deserve to get crop dusted with covid19 protesting peacefully. Just regular Canadians making a difference.

Unfortunately, the difference they are making is negative.  These are the stupidest people in all of Canada and you are giving them far too much credit.

Edited January 28, 2022 by King Heffy

[spur1]

23 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Unfortunately, the difference they are making is negative.  These are the stupidest people in all of Canada and you are giving them far too much credit.

Not only that they are making my allergies act up. 

[JM_]

8 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

You just have to look over the moronic Memorandum Of Understanding to see how moronic this protest is.

 

They think that they will form a committee with the Senate and the Governor General to tell the Feds, provincial, territorial, and local governments to end the mandates and even waive all fines that have been given out.  

 

Delusional comes to mind.

 

https://canada-unity.com/mou/

I don't want to click on the link.... but the GG? 

[Boudrias]

7 hours ago, gizmo2337 said:

Let's check back on Monday and see. These people don't deserve to get crop dusted with covid19 protesting peacefully. Just regular Canadians making a difference.

All the national pundits pass their negative judgements on this convoy protest based on what? Fear of what extremists who might join this group will do? Foreign money coming into Canada to foment insurrection. That’s a first? IMHO it should disturb Canadians more that an orchestrated undermining of this effort can happen. No retrospective after the demonstration this weekend. Preemptive disenfranchisement is more like it. 
 

The CBC is the paid mouthpiece for the Liberal Party and now that they pay the other major media outlets they can fall into step fast enough.

[JM_]

5 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

All the national pundits pass their negative judgements on this convoy protest based on what? Fear of what extremists who might join this group will do? Foreign money coming into Canada to foment insurrection. That’s a first? IMHO it should disturb Canadians more that an orchestrated undermining of this effort can happen. No retrospective after the demonstration this weekend. Preemptive disenfranchisement is more like it. 
 

The CBC is the paid mouthpiece for the Liberal Party and now that they pay the other major media outlets they can fall into step fast enough.

they aren't fighting for better working conditions, they don't want to follow our country's health policy. Which when you compare it to the US e.g. is doing well.

 

Why is it OK for these guys, who are linked directly to an AB separatist party, to receive foreign funding, but someone protesting the oil sands can't receive money? pretty big double standard there. 

 

It is a fringe group, tied to the Maverick party, that doesn't represent all truckers. Thats not judgement thats just facts. 

 

Edited January 28, 2022 by JM_

[bishopshodan]

3 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

The CBC is the paid mouthpiece for the Liberal Party and now that they pay the other major media outlets they can fall into step fast enough

I am not disagreeing with you but what do we do with reports like this?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/vaccine-protest-convoy-gofundme-donations-1.6330594

 

Do we not pay attention? Who are these anonymous donors? Not that you cant be anonymous but there are a few that have contributed big chunks of cash.

 

Since this convoy wants to change the medical standards we have in place and It has been smothered with political agendas. I understand the push to make sure the influencers of the movement are kept tabs on. 

 

 

 

[JM_]

6 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

I am not disagreeing with you but what do we do with reports like this?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/vaccine-protest-convoy-gofundme-donations-1.6330594

 

Do we not pay attention? Who are these anonymous donors? Not that you cant be anonymous but there are a few that have contributed big chunks of cash.

 

Since this convoy wants to change the medical standards we have in place and It has been smothered with political agendas. I understand the push to make sure the influencers of the movement are kept tabs on. 

 

 

 

 

nothing about this protest should allow the Maverick party to break our election spending laws. 

[Boudrias]

3 minutes ago, JM_ said:

they aren't fighting for better working conditions, they don't want to follow our country's health policy. Which when you compare it to the US e.g. is doing well.

 

Why is it OK for these guys, who are linked directly to an AB separatist party, to receive foreign funding, but someone protesting the oil sands can't receive money? pretty big double standard there. 

 

It is a fringe group, tied to the Maverick party, that doesn't represent all truckers. Thats not judgement thats just facts. 

 

Sure you have some facts there. Fine for you to disagree and make your points about it. Can’t these people make their protest and then be judged? Have the national media climbed into some trucks and rode along to gather a story about what the underlying motives are? I haven’t seen such stories. What I see is a national media campaign to discredit the effort. Is that their role? 
 

I don’t get the comment about foreign funding as the environmental movement has been largely funded from the USA for decades. So OK for them but not a trucker protest group travelling across Canada? 
 

What about one of the organizers being from the Maverick Party. Do they dominate the effort? I don’t know. There certainly has been a lot of unsubstantiated accusation that they do. Last I checked the Maverick Party is a registered political party. Some people might not like their involvement but I don’t see the same degree of outrage when the NDP organize demonstrations on issues in their communities. I don’t have a problem with that. 
 

Such efforts will succeed or fail to address issues being felt by citizens. Some will simply fade away others will gain traction. Simply because this group does not comply with the accepted discourse should not limit their ability to protest and demonstrate.

[bishopshodan]

8 hours ago, JM_ said:

Why is it OK for these guys, who are linked directly to an AB separatist party, to receive foreign funding, but someone protesting the oil sands can't receive money? pretty big double standard there. 

There is a lot of hypocrisy when compared to other protests.

 

We want freedom but not freedom like those kids in Portland.

Look at all the cash we've got from our supporters to protest, who cares if it is illegally going to a political party that wants to break up our country

However some of the evil boogymen kids in black, they were paid protesters, that shouldn't be allowed.

 

Just like that Greta girl and her backers! It's not authentic, she shouldn't be allowed that she is supported in any financial way. Not fair...for her...but for us, all good.

Edited January 28, 2022 by bishopshodan

[RUPERTKBD]

9 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

You just have to look over the moronic Memorandum Of Understanding to see how moronic this protest is.

 

They think that they will form a committee with the Senate and the Governor General to tell the Feds, provincial, territorial, and local governments to end the mandates and even waive all fines that have been given out.  

 

Delusional comes to mind.

 

https://canada-unity.com/mou/

The line, "Do you want to be on the right side of history and the law?" cracked me up....

[bishopshodan]

3 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

What I see is a national media campaign to discredit the effort. Is that their role? 

I think the coverage has been fair.

Every radio station has been discussing it, more as the convoy has gotten closer. Listened to a lot of call in supporters that were respected on a show yesterday.

 

Global has been broadcasting how much support the truckers are getting. 

 

Though it does seem, just like when DT was POTUS that there is a war on 'media', It seems like a strategy to discredit any other views. I have a co-worker that tells me all he learns from Rebel News and claims ' you wont hear that on MSM!!' ...I tell him, I don't read or listen to Rebel News but I know everything he is mentioning.

Probably because these days, there are many, many, ways to get news. 

 

I have only seen one story about truckers that oppose this convoy. My renter is a Trucker and supports it but says there are lots of drivers that dont. We hardly hear from them. 

 

[Boudrias]

26 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

I am not disagreeing with you but what do we do with reports like this?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/vaccine-protest-convoy-gofundme-donations-1.6330594

 

Do we not pay attention? Who are these anonymous donors? Not that you cant be anonymous but there are a few that have contributed big chunks of cash.

 

Since this convoy wants to change the medical standards we have in place and It has been smothered with political agendas. I understand the push to make sure the influencers of the movement are kept tabs on. 

 

 

 

Is the money being donated legit? I cannot say. I can only hope that those in charge are doing so. I do indeed think that the amount of money being raised is shocking many. @JM seems to think this whole effort is orchestrated by the Maverick Party. If it is what is so unusual about that. Politically motivated marches on Ottawa or provincial capitals have happened many times over the years.  It disturbs me when the media make a concerted effort to demonize the effort before it even gets to Ottawa. 
 

The media is passing its own judgement on the effort. Is that their role in a free society? I say let this group make their protest and then judge the content of their positions. If they do not stand up to critic the effort will die and they can fight over the $7 million they have raised. And no I do not think that money is going to the Maverick Party.