Coronavirus outbreak

[Me_]

2 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

I could not agree more.

 

Weak cdn judges think a life sentence is 5 years. Pathetic....

Here is a freshener for you to update your mind.

 

“Life Sentences

In Canada, murder is either first or second degree. Persons convicted of either degree of murder must be sentenced to imprisonment for life. Persons convicted of first-degree murder are not eligible for parole until they have served at least 25 years of their sentence. Persons convicted of second-degree murder are not eligible for parole until they have served between 10 and 25 years, as determined by the Court. It is important to note that convicted persons who were under 18 at the time of the offence have different periods of parole ineligibility.”

 

Canada Department of Justice; How sentences are imposed

 

Edited May 5, 2020 by Me_

[Me_]

1 hour ago, Canorth said:

Flint has had a brutal go of it over the the last 3 administrations, at the very least. Could never understand how they could get so much media and still be completely neglected.

 

But.... it’s a mask. Something that was even more necessary to get up and close enough to blow someone’s brains out.... from behind. Regardless of socioeconomic issues, systematic racism and the search for non-poisoned water - someone who was willing to do this was either looking for the opportunity or has done it before. Or both. Straight up POS.

You cannot say

”regardless of socioeconomic issues, systematic racism”.

 

Those ARE. the main reason for strife in America.

 

Add a stay-home order, potential loss of job, loss of income, eviction, and not one trickle coming from the top, and it’s gonna get real ugly for a lot of people.

 

No excuse for shooting someone in the back for being refused entrance to a store because of not having a mask.

 

I’m just saying it’s only the beginning.

 

Edited May 5, 2020 by Me_

[Me_]

15 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

"Shaming" others is a weak approach to dealing with an issue. It has also proven over and over to be ineffective.

 

So....no thanks.

I don’t know man... I was shamed because I went to my grocery store at 10am after giving the elderly that first two hours.

 

There were still elderly people in the store. There was an elderly woman in an isle and she could’ve sent a spell onto me I would’ve had the same reaction.

 

I instantly backed off in my walk. She shamed me into respecting her space and I instantly understood her absolute fright.

 

Should she have opened dialogue, recorded the event, discussed the matter at hand, written an affidavit and given me the yellow copy?

 

Shaming works when one flouting the norms whether the norms are new or old. 
 

Shaming made me go to the grocery store at 11am instead of 10am. I changed my habit/ behaviour.

 

Edited May 5, 2020 by Me_

[Canorth]

15 minutes ago, Me_ said:

You cannot say “regardless of socioeconomic issues, systematic racism”.

 

Those ARE. the main reason for strife in America.

 

Add a stay-home order, loss of income, and it’s gonna get real ugly for a lot of people.

 

No excuse for shooting someone in the back for being refused entrance to a store because did not having a mask.

 

Im just saying it’s only the beginning.

 

my point.

 

i was not dismissing anything. Only that there is no excuse for Shooting someone in the back of the head. and that people who do so, under these particular circumstances, probably don’t need much encouragement in the first place. It takes a special kind of coward... “regardless of socioeconomic issues and systematic racism” to be ok with doing that to another human being. 

[CBH1926]

1 hour ago, DeNiro said:

Never been a big supporter of capital punishment but some crimes make me reconsider that.

 

People like this are animals and don’t don’t deserve to live in society.

 

Youre willling to take someone’s life because your wife couldn’t buy something at a dollar store? Seriously? How do jump from that to murder it makes absolutely no sense.

If you are prepared to take another persons life, you should be prepared to lose yours.

[CBH1926]

1 hour ago, Canorth said:

Flint has had a brutal go of it over the the last 3 administrations, at the very least. Could never understand how they could get so much media and still be completely neglected.

 

But.... it’s a mask. Something that was even more necessary to get up and close enough to blow someone’s brains out.... from behind. Regardless of socioeconomic issues, systematic racism and the search for non-poisoned water - someone who was willing to do this was either looking for the opportunity or has done it before. Or both. Straight up POS.

In 2016 Chicago had more homicides than New York and Los Angels combined.

Thats 2.7 million population vs. 12 million in NY and L.A.

 

So many of these killings are absolutely senseless and for the pettiest reason.

It’s terrible societal breakdown.

[Me_]

42 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

In 2016 Chicago had more homicides than New York and Los Angels combined.

Thats 2.7 million population vs. 12 million in NY and L.A.

 

So many of these killings are absolutely senseless and for the pettiest reason.

It’s terrible societal breakdown.

I again borrow from the late Bill Hicks:

 

"There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone.... and you'd be a fool and a communist to make one."

 

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[Russ]

2 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Not true, I was a juror in a murder case. A guy hacked his mom with an axe to get inheritance. Crown knew if it went first degree murder it would be tougher. So they went with second degree. To my surprise after the case was over and we'd given our verdict I thought that was it. Turns out we had to vote for the punishment. (Which I thought the Judge did.) I thought 10 was too low. 20 to life no one else would go for. So I voted to let the Judge decide. The judge and jury together decided on 14. (Which I know in real terms is 8 or 9). 

And that's for 2nd degree. It was a rough case. The crime scene photos I try to forget. 

Thats one thing I will try to always avoid is doing jury duty.  I will pull out any attempt I can to get out of it possible so I don't have to deal with crap like that and have it linger long term.

[spur1]

1 hour ago, Me_ said:

I again borrow from the late Bill Hicks:

 

"There's no connection between having a gun and shooting someone with it, and not having a gun and not shooting someone.... and you'd be a fool and a communist to make one."

 

Amazing how many have no idea what communism or socialism really is. 

[skolozsy2]

5 hours ago, CBH1926 said:

In 2016 Chicago had more homicides than New York and Los Angels combined.

Thats 2.7 million population vs. 12 million in NY and L.A.

 

So many of these killings are absolutely senseless and for the pettiest reason.

It’s terrible societal breakdown.

Almost always pointless.  There was how many shootings (not deaths, just shootings) this first warm weekend in the city...35 I think.  All by the same groups, and over the same issues usually; drugs and gangs.  Always in the same neighborhoods too...you can almost predict where the shootings will be, Garfield Park, Auburn Gresham, Englewood, Chatham, etc...  I swear the only safe people in those areas are the drug addicts, and that's only because the gangs don't want to shoot the customers. 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

52 minutes ago, skolozsy2 said:

Almost always pointless.  There was how many shootings (not deaths, just shootings) this first warm weekend in the city...35 I think.  All by the same groups, and over the same issues usually; drugs and gangs.  Always in the same neighborhoods too...you can almost predict where the shootings will be, Garfield Park, Auburn Gresham, Englewood, Chatham, etc...  I swear the only safe people in those areas are the drug addicts, and that's only because the gangs don't want to shoot the customers. 

Gotta feel for the cops that have to work those areas (and obviously those that live there).  Has to impact you (negatively) having to deal with all that violence daily.  Whatever they get paid, it ain’t enough.

[Jaimito]

Imagine having fan avatars/posters like this in Rogers Arena? 

 

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/no-spitting-no-fans-baseball-restarts-s-korea-s-sports-season/ar-BB13BhBR?ocid=ARWLCHR

 

[MystifyNCrucify]

6 hours ago, CBH1926 said:

If you are prepared to take another persons life, you should be prepared to lose yours.

Some crimes are so heinous, theres no going back. A guy eats people and wears their skin? Why waste the time to “rehabilitate “ that? Think hes going to repent and manage a stationary store? Get real. Murder one and yer done as far as im concerned. Save the money for someone who will contribute to society. Put it into mental health research. Might as well burn it for all the good giving him 3 hots and a cot will do. 

 

Its a pressure cooker in the states. I was thinking that the only way to control the situation would be to have checkpoints, allow people the choice to either break the lockdown and do what they want, OR have access to medical facilities when/if they or their household/immediate family they have been in contact with come down with serious symptoms. 

 

Sadly that will only work in the states until the first stupid family gets sick. They will not accept that the choice they made has repercussions. Its not a word in the american english language. When the first kid dies from it from those families? The populace is gonna throw down, right to civil war town. 

 

Rpgs in the street. Hate groups with grenades, assault rifles, an agenda, and a spark. 

 

Not sure people are fully understanding the gravity of those implications. 

[Jaimito]

On 5/2/2020 at 5:05 PM, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Just noticed you're in NY.  Stay safe (both you and your family)!  Good thing you've got good leadership in your state (might make mistakes but they've got their heart/mind in the right place vs trying to line their wallets).

Thanks.  At the peak, we had over 2000 covid patients admitted in our hospital system. Now it is around 900. We lost a colleague to the virus, he was a famous neurosurgeon who seperated conjoined twins. Really nice guy. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/health/new-york-neurosurgeon-death-coronavirus-mcdonald-twins/index.html

 

 

In retrospect, many people in NYC area got infected in Feb from travelers mostly from Europe, based on the viral genomic data. But lack of early available testing or any surveillance at airports left everyone in the dark. Nearly 2 million travelers arrived in the US from Italy and other European countries during February. The US government didn't block travel from there until March 11.  The poorly announced euro travel ban in Mar 11 by Trump then resulted in overcrowding in the airports, probably helping the spread further.  Of course, it didn't ban travel from UK initially. Brilliant politicians at work. 

 

I am glad to see how well BC is doing. My parents and family live there.  Despite the initial fears that so many East Asian immigrants live in BC and will likely result in highest number of cases, the province is among the best in containing the outbreak in Canada.  That just tell you that effective public health policies and a buy-in from the public is essential. Can't succeed without both. 

 

Over politicization will cost lives. You can't fool mother nature. China initially tried it by playing it down in Dec and early Jan.  US federal government did the same from Feb to early Mar.  All resulted in disastrous outcomes.  China suffered an international backlash, huge GDP loss, not to mention the human toll in locking down a city of 11 million people. Over 60,000 deaths in US already in less than 4 months, more than Korean or Vietnam War which took yrs.  Current projection models estimate 130K dead by Aug and many states are already trying to open now despite increasing number of cases.  Approx only 5% of the country is infected. The virus will keep spreading until about 60-70% of the population is infected and some herd immunity is obtained.  So this is only the beginning. 

 

The big challenge is how to live with the virus until there is an effective treatment or vaccine, which are months away at best.  Protecting the most vulnerable and reducing the rate of spread are the most practical steps.  Vast majority of humanity will survive this. The society has to decide at what price, both in lives and economy to navigate through this. The job loss and secondary effects are devastating for millions of people.  Like most disasters, the poor will take the bulk of the hit. 

[Jaimito]

Earliest case in Europe was Dec 27 in France.  Est 5 million people left Wuhan before the lock down in Jan. Earliest case in China was Nov 17.   

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08c8pph

 

[stawns]

12 hours ago, Fanuck said:

Weak judges or simply weak laws? 

 

Society could demand that the lawmakers create hugely punitive minimum sentences for specific crimes and take it out of 'weak judges' hands.......But who are we kidding,  it's Canada........

Neither

[JM_]

13 hours ago, CBH1926 said:

I had to stop and get gas in Flint area on my way back from Toronto.

Its pretty rough area for sure.

me too. I wasn't happy. It seemed like every 200' there was a sign telling you not to pick up a hitch hiker  

 

Flint and Duluth were two places I'm happy to never return to. 

[Boudrias]

12 hours ago, Fanuck said:

Weak judges or simply weak laws? 

 

Society could demand that the lawmakers create hugely punitive minimum sentences for specific crimes and take it out of 'weak judges' hands.......But who are we kidding,  it's Canada........

How about a weak people who don't have the moral conviction to defend what they know is just? In some ways it is like our defense of the country. We rely on the Americans and as a result are a quasi colony.   

[JM_]

4 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

How about a weak people who don't have the moral conviction to defend what they know is just? In some ways it is like our defense of the country. We rely on the Americans and as a result are a quasi colony.   

lucky for us thats not a real thing. 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

 

 

Big surprise.

 

Not sure what's up with Florida as it's not just the GOP (governor of Florida) that couldn't manage a McDonalds.  Look at the person he beat for that position in their last election.  The Dem candidate has had an unfortunate history post-election.

 

Edited May 5, 2020 by NewbieCanuckFan