[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks vs. Ottawa Senators | January 28 2021 | 7 p.m. PT | SNP

[EmilyM]

53 minutes ago, gurn said:

If you don't mess with a win, why did they sit Juolevi after a win?

Maybe they wanted to get more practice time in with him. Developing his game further might be a better investment than having him help us in a marginal way to beat the Ottawa Senators again.

[PhillipBlunt]

This team still bleeds shots against. In fact they lead the league in shots against with a percentage of 37.1. 

 

Against Ottawa, it managed, but against most any other team in the North, this team's defensive structure relies way too heavily on it's goaltenders bailing them out. If the team had a defensive coach that was actually capable, they'd be able to utilize the skills of the more than competent defense corps to box out opposing forwards, keeping them to the perimeter.

 

Fans shouldn't be shocked if the team struggles out east. Not because they aren't good enough as players and as a team, but because they're being asked to implement systems that are counter productive.

Edited January 29, 2021 by PhillipBlunt

[Ajax-]

6 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

This team still bleeds shots against. In fact they lead the league in shots against with a percentage of 37.1. 

 

Against Ottawa, it managed, but against most any other team in the North, this team's defensive structure relies way too heavily on it's goaltenders bailing them out. If the team had a defensive coach that was actually capable, they'd be able to utilize the skills of the more than competent defense corps to box out opposing forwards, keeping them to the perimeter.

 

Fans shouldn't be shocked if the team struggles out east. Not because they aren't good enough as players and as a team, but because they're being asked to implement systems that are counter productive.

Fire the coach!

Counter productive systems??

Where did you pull that from?

3 wins and your still blaming the coaches for everything thing. 

Win as a team lose as a team, constantly blaming individuals is getting redundant

 

GO CANUCKS GO 

 

Edited January 30, 2021 by AbrasiveAjax

[Angry Goose]

23 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

This team still bleeds shots against. In fact they lead the league in shots against with a percentage of 37.1. 

 

Against Ottawa, it managed, but against most any other team in the North, this team's defensive structure relies way too heavily on it's goaltenders bailing them out. If the team had a defensive coach that was actually capable, they'd be able to utilize the skills of the more than competent defense corps to box out opposing forwards, keeping them to the perimeter.

 

Fans shouldn't be shocked if the team struggles out east. Not because they aren't good enough as players and as a team, but because they're being asked to implement systems that are counter productive.

Not trying to argue with you, but boxing out/defending around the net is basic stuff.  The defensive structure the Canucks employ in general (weak side sag) is pretty much the same structure most teams employ.  

 

I agree the shots against ain't pretty if they want to to be competitive.  I'd be curious what the shot quality/chances are though.  I don't recall high danger chances were that high, but against good teams that might be different.

 

Getting clean break outs help, and good defenders that can break up the play (I'm ready to admit it-Myers can be a tire fire in zone at times) helps too.  I think Chatfield has been a boon and I like the way Benn is thinking out there.  You'll notice some wingers and centers are so much better at breaking the puck out cleanly as well.  Green made a good point about defending tired as (which they often do).  That can be improved with better play outside of their own zone.   

 

I firmly believe that different coaches won't change anything.  What you see is what you get with this group (as you see it now)

[PhillipBlunt]

3 minutes ago, AbrasiveAjax said:

Fire the coach!

Counter productive systems??

Where did you pull that from?

3 wins and your still blaming the coaches for everything thing. 

Win as a team lose as a team, constantly blaming individuals is getting redundant

 

GO CANUCKS GO 

 

Calm down, slappy. Keep you undies unbunched, okay? Breathe....

 

If you actually watch the games, you can see the defense collapsing in formations that are far too passive and allow the other teams to get plenty of shots on net, with an average of 37 per game. You think, in your infinite wisdom, that leading the league in shots against is a good thing?

 

This team bled shots against last year with Tanev and Stecher in the fold, and are doing the same with a revamped defense. 

 

 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[Alienhuggyflow]

23 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

This team still bleeds shots against. In fact they lead the league in shots against with a percentage of 37.1. 

 

Against Ottawa, it managed, but against most any other team in the North, this team's defensive structure relies way too heavily on it's goaltenders bailing them out. If the team had a defensive coach that was actually capable, they'd be able to utilize the skills of the more than competent defense corps to box out opposing forwards, keeping them to the perimeter.

 

Fans shouldn't be shocked if the team struggles out east. Not because they aren't good enough as players and as a team, but because they're being asked to implement systems that are counter productive.

I dunno blunt,  the shots were mostly low danger and they did a much better job keeping things to the outside. Plus the Sens were trailing every single game which usually leads to lots of shots.

Before the Sens series it wasn't shot volume it was the insane amount of turnovers leading to point-blank chances.

I think the Nucks we saw against the Sens would have steamrolled the Flames and Habs. I commented in the Pgt after the Habs loss that in my 35 years of watching the Nucks, I had never seen so many weird things happening at once.

 

This team seems to succeed without the need to generate a lot of shots which makes sense given the talent we have, plus pretty sure Demko\Holtby are fine with 35 mostly low % shots compared to point-blank giveaways and other high danger shots we saw the first seven games.

[-Vintage Canuck-]

They are going from 5 degrees celsius weather to -8 degrees celsius weather.

 

 

[WeneedLumme]

9 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Calm down, slappy. Keep you undies unbunched, okay? Breathe....

 

If you actually watch the games, you can see the defense collapsing in formations that are far too passive and allow the other teams to get plenty of shots on net, with an average of 37 per game. You think, in your infinite wisdom, that leading the league in shots against is a good thing?

 

This team bled shots against last year with Tanev and Stecher in the fold, and are doing the same with a revamped defense. 

 

 

Many goalies play their best when facing a high volume of low quality shots. It is not necessarily a bad strategy as long as the high quality chances are minimized. 

[Ajax-]

13 hours ago, debluvscanucks said:

Right?

 

Or still ripping them apart for not playing well enough.  Well enough to win is all that matters.

 

 

No kidding

I just read some blah blah blah that our coaches systems are "counter productive", clueless defensive structure,  etc etc

Yes still some kinks to work out but..

Go Canucks go 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[tas]

2 hours ago, EddieVedder said:

Love Petey but when you talk about pure and natural skill with the puck, Hogs takes the cake.  He shifts and dangles almost at top speed.  

I can't agree with you. 

[Alienhuggyflow]

16 minutes ago, AbrasiveAjax said:

Fire the coach!

Counter productive systems??

Where did you pull that from?

3 wins and your still blaming the coaches for everything thing. 

Win as a team lose as a team, constantly blaming individuals is getting redundant

 

GO CANUCKS GO 

 

Stat watchers see 37 shots and say wow that's terrible fire the coaches. Ask any goalie they will gladly take a bunch of shots from low danger areas while having a multiple-goal cushion.

That style led us to within a goal of the conference finals and when executed properly our system is fine.

People write off the Sens discrediting the Nucks wins the last 3 games but the Leafs and Jets had trouble with the Sens. 

[PhillipBlunt]

14 minutes ago, SILLY GOOSE said:

Not trying to argue with you, but boxing out/defending around the net is basic stuff.  The defensive structure the Canucks employ in general (weak side sag) is pretty much the same structure most teams employ.  

 

I agree the shots against ain't pretty if they want to to be competitive.  I'd be curious what the shot quality/chances are though.  I don't recall high danger chances were that high, but against good teams that might be different.

 

Getting clean break outs help, and good defenders that can break up the play (I'm ready to admit it-Myers can be a tire fire in zone at times) helps too.  I think Chatfield has been a boon and I like the way Benn is thinking out there.  You'll notice some wingers and centers are so much better at breaking the puck out cleanly as well.  Green made a good point about defending tired as (which they often do).  That can be improved with better play outside of their own zone.   

 

I firmly believe that different coaches won't change anything.  What you see is what you get with this group (as you see it now)

With all due respect, I do think a coaching change from Baumgartner would help the team. I hear what you're saying but the systems that the defense works off of aren't helping the team win. Against a team like Toronto or Tampa with far superior forwards, the defense usually is hemmed in it's own zone for the majority of their shifts. I don't think that all falls on the on-ice personnel and has nothing to do with the systems they run. 

[PhillipBlunt]

10 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said:

Many goalies play their best when facing a high volume of low quality shots. It is not necessarily a bad strategy as long as the high quality chances are minimized. 

I hear you. I've heard Demko and Holtby talk about that as well. I just don't think that with the way the Canucks are presently designed to defend, that they'll be able to keep the shots to the LQ variety once faced with stiffer competition. 

[Alienhuggyflow]

1 hour ago, Lafayettecrossbar said:

I know it was against Ottawa and all but gotta give credit where credit is due: Myers with the highest TOI, most PK time by a mile, +2, and a couple hits & blocks. Good game for him. 

 

 

edit - not by a mile, Beagle was right there with him 

The amount of hate Myers gets sometimes is silly.

I mean his contract gets compared to LE for frick sake.

Honestly, it's the way society is nowadays, a few tweets or posts from a dbag and all of a sudden it's gospel. 

There was a thread created by a Habs fan saying that Petey has been terrible since his knee injury and will end up out of the league. This was created after 6 games. Avs fans creating threads calling Cale generational and Hughes nothing but a PP specialist when Cale has 60+% of his points this season on the PP while Quinn who is over a ppg has around 40% of his points on the PP. Sadly being a nuck fan sucks sometimes since we seem to be generally disliked around the league similar to Leaf fans but we also have to deal with a whole sub-culture of toxic nuck fans that are even worse. I actually think most of them are transplants from other areas of Canada who only masquerade as nuck fans. Polly the same idiots who rioted. 

[Me_]

2 hours ago, EddieVedder said:

Love Petey but when you talk about pure and natural skill with the puck, Hogs takes the cake.  He shifts and dangles almost at top speed.  

No bud. Because no.

[Herberts Vasiljevs]

4 minutes ago, Alienhuggyflow said:

The amount of hate Myers gets sometimes is silly.

I mean his contract gets compared to LE for frick sake.

Honestly, it's the way society is nowadays, a few tweets or posts from a dbag and all of a sudden it's gospel. 

There was a thread created by a Habs fan saying that Petey has been terrible since his knee injury and will end up out of the league. This was created after 6 games. Avs fans creating threads calling Cale generational and Hughes nothing but a PP specialist when Cale has 60+% of his points this season on the PP while Quinn who is over a ppg has around 40% of his points on the PP. Sadly being a nuck fan sucks sometimes since we seem to be generally disliked around the league similar to Leaf fans but we also have to deal with a whole sub-culture of toxic nuck fans that are even worse. I actually think most of them are transplants from other areas of Canada who only masquerade as nuck fans. Polly the same idiots who rioted. 

This. And you forgot to mention how much this fanbase wastes oxygen talking about Virtanen. 

[86Viking]

40 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

3 game win streak but hey lets point out the negatives of the early season instead

[PhillipBlunt]

9 minutes ago, Alienhuggyflow said:

The amount of hate Myers gets sometimes is silly.

I mean his contract gets compared to LE for frick sake.

Honestly, it's the way society is nowadays, a few tweets or posts from a dbag and all of a sudden it's gospel. 

There was a thread created by a Habs fan saying that Petey has been terrible since his knee injury and will end up out of the league. This was created after 6 games. Avs fans creating threads calling Cale generational and Hughes nothing but a PP specialist when Cale has 60+% of his points this season on the PP while Quinn who is over a ppg has around 40% of his points on the PP. Sadly being a nuck fan sucks sometimes since we seem to be generally disliked around the league similar to Leaf fans but we also have to deal with a whole sub-culture of toxic nuck fans that are even worse. I actually think most of them are transplants from other areas of Canada who only masquerade as nuck fans. Polly the same idiots who rioted. 

I truly don't understand how Canucks fans have issue with Myers. For a player of that size, he moves the puck extremely well. He also provides a physical edge that very few teams have. He's not afraid to use his size to intimidate, which sadly puts him on the simplistic zebras radar, because he literally stands out. Is $6M really outrageous for the defender of his size and ability? I don't think so. 

 

Now Eriksson's contract hurts to look at, but in the grand scheme of things, especially when compared to contracts that other athletes have, it's peanuts. Just looking forward to him no longer being on the books.