[GDT/PGT] Vancouver Canucks vs. Winnipeg Jets | March 24, 2021 | 7:30 p.m. PT | SNP

[canuck73_3]

14 minutes ago, kanucks25 said:

I don't discredit everything about Myers.

 

I've said I wouldn't mind the guy if he was paid like a bottom-pairing D-man because that's how he's deployed and that's how he performs.

 

I'd say the same things about a guy like Stecher if he was paid 6M, but he's not, he's paid 1.7M.

 

Nothing personal against the player, I wouldn't rag on him or any other player that plays up to or at least close to their cap-hit.

Weird that a bottom pairing dman has the second most ice time on the team. 

[kanucks25]

4 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Weird that a bottom pairing dman has the second most ice time on the team. 

Sorry, are you arguing for or against Myers?

 

Because yes, Myers playing too much is one of the main reasons we are ass, especially defensively.

 

Glad you're starting to see the light.

[canuck73_3]

1 minute ago, kanucks25 said:

Sorry, are you arguing for or against Myers?

 

Because yes, Myers playing too much is one of the main reasons we are ass, especially defensively.

 

Glad you're starting to see the light.

More smarm. 

[kanucks25]

1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said:

More smarm. 

No, it's actually a real argument.

 

Bad players that play a lot = bad team.

[canuck73_3]

Just now, kanucks25 said:

No, it's actually a real argument.

 

Bad players that play a lot = bad team.

False narrative is false. Blaming a bad team on one player is a false narrative. Ignoring facts leads to false narratives and confirmation biases. 

[canuck73_3]

@kanucks25 the constant negative spins you give are cute, I'll give you that. 

[kanucks25]

5 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

False narrative is false. Blaming a bad team on one player is a false narrative. Ignoring facts leads to false narratives and confirmation biases. 

Except I didn't do anything close to blaming just Myers for our poor play.

 

Complete strawman. I provide enough content for you to argue against, no need to argue against yourself.

[canuck73_3]

Just now, kanucks25 said:

Except I didn't do anything close to blaming just Myers for our poor play.

 

Complete strawman. I provide enough content for you to argue against, no need to argue against yourself.

[kanucks25]

4 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

@kanucks25 the constant negative spins you give are cute, I'll give you that. 

What spin? Saying I prefer a 6M cap-hit D-man not be statistically our worse D-man is "negative spin"?

 

Ok then lol

[NHTyrany]

9 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:

True, but it keeps being parroted around here that we’re as brutal as Buffalo. 
 

The truth is we re-tooled to give the Sedins one last hurrah from 2013-2017. It didn't pan out and rebuild started 2017/18 until this season and beyond. 

 

Buffalo on the other hand has been rebuilding since 2011 after their 3 year re-tool. 

Indeed, it was so obvious the window for the Nucks closed after the 2013 season, yet our fear to rebuild set us back a good 4 years. It's unfortunate because the resurgence and talent pool would look different today. We can only change forward and I think the future is bright. Draft Powers, get better on special teams, stop being so predicable (coaching?), manage the cap wisely, and the next window will open soon. Hopefully before Dad passes he's been following since the beginning of time.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

,,,

Edited March 27, 2021 by NewbieCanuckFan

[apollo]

You guys know I love to support our boys no matter what and not say anything bad about em... 

 

But looking back at it, don't you wish they let Copp just put in a 5th goal? Pretty selfish, who cares at that point? 

 

To be fair they all millionaires and don't realize that there's someone out there whose life they could have drastically changed... And I guess they wanted to save face and show pride... But with 20 seconds left, just give it to Copp and let him tuck it into empty netter.

 

100k is still amazing... Just a shame it's not 1mill 

 

I hope this Marcella is someone who really needed it. Love that even in defeat our team managed to help someone. But yea major shame Jimmy Pattison didn't haven't to cough up the extra 900k 

• Marcella C
  Winnipeg, MB,
  $100,000

[viking mama]

On 3/24/2021 at 10:56 PM, Devron44 said:

What do you do on your evenings when there’s no Canucks? 

Go watch the NCAA hockey Frozen 8. NHL draft picks and future stars are playing for their shot at a Championship after last year’s shot was cancelled due to Covid. Highly motivated group!
 

Watch and enter the fan vote for the Final-three in the Hobey-Baker fan vote, too...to give you a more invested interest. 

 

I like the heavy BCHL-connections of the Chilliwack Chiefs & Penticton Vees to UND. Boeser & Stecher both played  for UND the last time their school won a National Championship. Shane Pinto of UND is currently favored for the Hobey Baker. Jordan Kawaguchi, the current Capt’n. of UND, ex-Chilliwack Chiefs Capt’n, was a top-3 Hobey consideration last season & turned down offers to return as a senior, to lead/compete for this year’s Championship. Where he goes after this is still unknown? He’s a heart & soul Mr. Clutch player whom I’ve watched for years, and I’m wishing him well! 
 

Games are televised with excellent  commentary. Check it all out! 

Edited March 27, 2021 by viking mama

[Toyotasfan]

If you wanted a significant change Trading Horvat for a grade A winger and slotting Miller as #2 centre would be an option. Package in Virtanen for a defensive centre. 

[viking mama]

4 minutes ago, Toyotasfan said:

If you wanted a significant change Trading Horvat for a grade A winger and slotting Miller as #2 centre would be an option. Package in Virtanen for a defensive centre. 

You don’t believe Horvat has more upside than Miller?

 

You’d sell him?

I’m gob-smacked.

[Devron]

8 minutes ago, Toyotasfan said:

If you wanted a significant change Trading Horvat for a grade A winger and slotting Miller as #2 centre would be an option. Package in Virtanen for a defensive centre. 

That’s gross

[-DLC-]

 

[Devron]

12 minutes ago, viking mama said:

Jordan Kawaguchi

I’m in some keeper league fantasy pools and I’ve had my eye on the kid but didn’t understand why he hasn’t been signed by an NHL. That’s a lot of heart if he turned down offers.

 

Where is the Frozen 8 televised?

[Gawdzukes]

22 hours ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said:

What is the veteran presence doing for our team right now? They are still losing and it’s the veterans who are making a lot of the mistakes. Edler, Roussel, Sutter etc. You don’t think it’s important to gain as many assets as possible right now to better in the future? Part of the depth problem is that we haven’t gotten assets when we should have from veterans who weren’t going to be back the following year. Why keep them around for 19 games to watch them walk at the end of the year? That makes no sense. The argument has to make sense. 

I'll respond to you because you're not a completely ignorant troll like kanucks 25. You're just impatient and HATE management, lol. Okay. That's your right.

 

First off on paper I agree completely. The veterans aren't doing much better than anyone else. In a perfect scenario we trade Benn, Sutter, Pearson, Roussel, Edler, Beagle, and whatever else you can think of. Maybe we get 2 seconds, maybe 3, and a couple thirds. Okay great ... but that's not reality, that's NHL21, childish.

 

Look around the league. Buffalo has declared a firesale (again), and they've traded one player. For all the complaining you are doing there has been only one such trade in the entire NHL, yet you and others think that we should have made 6 of these moves already. That doesn't jive. Obviously, YOU, are you missing something.

 

What you are missing is this isn't a paper team, it's a real hockey team. If the league operated the way you wish 18-20 teams would be trading away half of there useless teams every year. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that's not going work mathematically. On top of that, hockey teams don't just roll over and die to the point you stop trying. A hockey team isn't an old car, you can't park it out back or just hang an I quit sign on it every time there is trouble. At the first sign of trouble the CEO can't just fire everyone and start again every year.

 

Deep down it sounds like you're more mad at the NHL than JB, or inherently you just think 75% of the NHL managers are morons and you could do a better job. I implore you to look in the mirror ask yourself if you really believe these guys are all idiots and you and your laptop and that much smarter.

 

As far as gaining assets for now and the future sure they're great but we don't need to gut the team for it either. We've done just fine with the picks we've acquired. JB is doing a great job with drafting. It's not an area of concern. Lets say we attempt to trade all those players. Realistically, the best we could hope for would be Benn, Sutter, Pearson, Roussel. I doubt Edler waives, and I doubt we move Beagle if Sutter goes. He also hasn't played due to injury in a month or so anyway. So we probably get a second or two, and a third or two. Out of those picks it's not even likely we'll get an NHL player. Random draft picks are really over-rated on this board by some people. Those picks we've missed on are most likely not improving our depth much at all. That's reality.

 

Now if we could dump Benn today for a 6th, a 5th, is it really worth it to be forced to throw OJ into the line-up when obviously that's something they aren't comfortable with? Apparently not. Same with Sutter, should we have dumped him for a 5th last week even though we had a severe shortage of centers? I guess JB would rather have a decent end to the season. He's running a $750 million dollar NHL hockey team. A business. You're running a $79.99 dollar team you bought at Wal-Mart.

 

Finally you're complaining about something that hasn't even, 'not happened' yet. The trade deadline is April 8, and we'll be looking to move players. I for one would be shopping Benn, Sutter, Pearson, and (Roussel/Virtanen) I would hope we do get a return on them. If we do great. If not, it's not the end of the world.

 

Remember, someone actually has to want our players, and it doesn't mean the GM is a fool every second you wish for something and it doesn't happen. For all you know he's trying to do exactly what you are proposing. According to your logic GM's should be looking to move at least 200 contracts across the league so as you can imagine it will very competitive to move the guys you suggest.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 27, 2021 by Gawdzukes

[JM_]

18 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

 

why would they do this today? their cap hit is the same.