Seven years without a clear plan from Canucks brass.

[wallstreetamigo]

26 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

You’re learning!!! You are starting to get it!! Omg now MAYBE you can understand the Roussel/Beagle/Sutter etc contracts in the first place that I have been trying to get through to you. 
 

Now you might actually clue into why letting Toffoli go and taking a small step back, will benefit us long term
 

 

Letting Toffoli go after trading 2 quality assets for him was a massive waste, not a step back. If the plan wasnt to keep him, dont trade for him in the first place. Madden would be a nice prospect to have right now as our prospect center depth is garbage. Or maybe another Hoglander too with that 2nd round pick.

 

He didnt let Toffoli go for any reasons other than he wanted other, worse vets instead, couldnt let go of Virtanen, and prioritized OEL to the point he thought it was a done deal and didnt have the cap to even make Toffoli an offer. 

 

Signing those players isnt in itself a bad thing. Signing them for 4 years at premium dollars, term, and giving them trade protection is. As is signing or trading for players that you could just as easily trade for from teams looking to shed cap. That cap space could have been used to acquire similar players plus more picks and prospects to develop.

 

Those players being signed, or rather the opportunity cost of signing them, is a big issue.

 

They were signed for too long and as such are blocking the way to develop younger players who are ready for the NHL. And their cap impact has caused inflexibility in that sense.

[DSVII]

On 5/14/2021 at 5:20 PM, knucklehead91 said:

Dude he left us with barely anything, go look at the prospects we “had” and his drafting record.

 

Horvat was the only good thing to come of his drafting. We have actually had sh*t drafting since 2006. Bennings drafting is far superior, drafting is HOW you build a cup contending team. Trading/FA signings are where you go all in. It was Burke’s drafting that led to the 2011 run. Not Nonis and not Gillis. It was their trades that put us into the win-now mode.

 

Bennings drafting in 3 years time from today will be our window to win. Strictly due to his drafting, he will make better trades that are hockey trades and not desperation trades to fill a hole or shelter a player.

The fact remains, Gillis didn't leave Benning with nothing to start from. We can debate with whether 2014-16 was a true rebuild/retool gone wrong, but that fact remains, Benning had a solid base to start from. 

 

To say Benning started from nothing is, to phrase @aGENT, hyperbolic melodrama  

[knucklehead91]

7 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Letting Toffoli go after trading 2 quality assets for him was a massive waste, not a step back. If the plan wasnt to keep him, dont trade for him in the first place. Madden would be a nice prospect to have right now as our prospect center depth is garbage. Or maybe another Hoglander too with that 2nd round pick.

 

He didnt let Toffoli go for any reasons other than he wanted other, worse vets instead, couldnt let go of Virtanen, and prioritized OEL to the point he thought it was a done deal and didnt have the cap to even make Toffoli an offer. 

 

Signing those players isnt in itself a bad thing. Signing them for 4 years at premium dollars, term, and giving them trade protection is. As is signing or trading for players that you could just as easily trade for from teams looking to shed cap. That cap space could have been used to acquire similar players plus more picks and prospects to develop.

 

Those players being signed, or rather the opportunity cost of signing them, is a big issue.

 

They were signed for too long and as such are blocking the way to develop younger players who are ready for the NHL. And their cap impact has caused inflexibility in that sense.

Okay I understand how you feel about the Toffoli situation. But you just arent getting it.

 

We looked like we had an opportunity to make the playoffs the way things were going.

Benning made a trade to acquire Toffoli to push for playoffs which IS the goal ultimately. Adding Toffoli to our top 6 makes us a threat in the playoffs if we make it in.

 

We ended up making it into the play-in round and we earned a spot in the playoffs. Hooray!!!

We played the defending champs and we dusted them in 6. HOOOORAAAAY we won a playoff round!

 

We met up with Vegas and we were absolutely dominated. The Toffoli acquisition was not enough to put us over the top. Bringing him back, is the same roster that lost to VGK. 

The flat cap after acquiring Toffoli changed the outcome for a lot of players.

 

We chased OEL but it never materialized and as I pointed out to you the other day. The timelines of when OEL stood pat and Toffoli signed with Montreal do not overlap each other. The OEL deal died prior to free agency on the 9th. Toffoli signed 3 days later on the 12th.. OEL = no go on the 9th... Toffoli = gone on the 12th

9 is before 12 and 12 is after 9.

 

We did not offer him a contract period. Resigning a declining player to help in a losing season does not do anything to help us other than help us be a bit better at losing. 

YES we could have just not made that trade and kept the pick and prospect, but we saw an opportunity to maybe ruffle some feathers in the playoffs. And everyone knows, that if you make it in, you have a chance to win. The LAK did that to us in 2012. 1 versus 13

 

3 years later when we are trying to compete we have a declining Toffoli holding up 4.25m and roster spot. Then what? Do we re-sign him? Or do we let him walk?
 

Instead, we let him walk and in 2 to 3 years when we are competitive we acquire a 26-29 year old UFA who extends our window to win and we go from competitive to contenders. 
 

Toffoli will be a moot point by the time his 4 year deal ends. We will become contenders with or without him. Either way it wont matter. 

 

Stop looking at this season as a measuring stick. This was not a normal season, there was no preparation for any teams, out of every team in the league we ACTUALLY had the worst schedule to start the season. We got hit with injuries from fatigue due to how jam packed our schedule was. We were the only team in the league to be shut down for 1 month. We then finished off our season with 19 games in 30 days. Our regular season isnt over and the playoffs are already underway.

 

IF this was a normal season, with a training camp, no covid, then that would be fair to rip a new hole in the team and management. But this is not the case and without playing the homer card, did not have the same season as any other team in the NHL and it wasnt because the league conspired against us, it was just how COVID effected us from the start of the season to the end. We had more rest scheduled later in the season, but unfortunately after playing the log jam in the beginning of the season we got a break we did not wish for and we lost the chemistry that was beginning to click over a 15 game span. Then we get thrown to the wolves who have been feasting on games all month while we starved for a month.

 

please just stop with this stupid argument and wait and see how we do with a fair season before blaming everything on any one particular person or area of the organization when we did not have the same season as all 30 other teams

 

we have a bright future ahead and you need to realize it is much brighter now than it was 4 years ago.

We can ACTUALLY see a future for this team, something we have not seen since Burke’s drafting. 
 

[knucklehead91]

14 minutes ago, DSVII said:

The fact remains, Gillis didn't leave Benning with nothing to start from. We can debate with whether 2014-16 was a true rebuild/retool gone wrong, but that fact remains, Benning had a solid base to start from. 

 

To say Benning started from nothing is, to phrase @aGENT, hyperbolic melodrama  

You’re right, he left him with Horvat, zero other prospects and a bunch of older and declining players. 
Had Gillis or even Nonis been able to draft, you could make the argument that they left something for Benning. But the main core was from the Burke era

 

It was Burke who left things behind for Benning, unfortunately that core was drafted between ‘99-04. Gillis and Nonis acquired other pieces, but they were all 30+ by then. Aside from Horvat.

 

He may have had a solid base on the ice, but he didnt have any reinforcements outside of that.... like maybe another prospect or 2...... like just something else to look forward to

 

Burke’s drafting is what built the 2011 team, Nonis and Gillis plugged in the puzzle pieces that put us over the top. They did nothing else. They have almost nothing to show for their drafting and development

[Marv-the-wet-bandit]

4 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

Okay I understand how you feel about the Toffoli situation. But you just arent getting it.

 

We looked like we had an opportunity to make the playoffs the way things were going.

Benning made a trade to acquire Toffoli to push for playoffs which IS the goal ultimately. Adding Toffoli to our top 6 makes us a threat in the playoffs if we make it in.

 

We ended up making it into the play-in round and we earned a spot in the playoffs. Hooray!!!

We played the defending champs and we dusted them in 6. HOOOORAAAAY we won a playoff round!

 

We met up with Vegas and we were absolutely dominated. The Toffoli acquisition was not enough to put us over the top. Bringing him back, is the same roster that lost to VGK. 

The flat cap after acquiring Toffoli changed the outcome for a lot of players.

 

We chased OEL but it never materialized and as I pointed out to you the other day. The timelines of when OEL stood pat and Toffoli signed with Montreal do not overlap each other. The OEL deal died prior to free agency on the 9th. Toffoli signed 3 days later on the 12th.. OEL = no go on the 9th... Toffoli = gone on the 12th

9 is before 12 and 12 is after 9.

 

We did not offer him a contract period. Resigning a declining player to help in a losing season does not do anything to help us other than help us be a bit better at losing. 

YES we could have just not made that trade and kept the pick and prospect, but we saw an opportunity to maybe ruffle some feathers in the playoffs. And everyone knows, that if you make it in, you have a chance to win. The LAK did that to us in 2012. 1 versus 13

 

3 years later when we are trying to compete we have a declining Toffoli holding up 4.25m and roster spot. Then what? Do we re-sign him? Or do we let him walk?
 

Instead, we let him walk and in 2 to 3 years when we are competitive we acquire a 26-29 year old UFA who extends our window to win and we go from competitive to contenders. 
 

Toffoli will be a moot point by the time his 4 year deal ends. We will become contenders with or without him. Either way it wont matter. 

 

Stop looking at this season as a measuring stick. This was not a normal season, there was no preparation for any teams, out of every team in the league we ACTUALLY had the worst schedule to start the season. We got hit with injuries from fatigue due to how jam packed our schedule was. We were the only team in the league to be shut down for 1 month. We then finished off our season with 19 games in 30 days. Our regular season isnt over and the playoffs are already underway.

 

IF this was a normal season, with a training camp, no covid, then that would be fair to rip a new hole in the team and management. But this is not the case and without playing the homer card, did not have the same season as any other team in the NHL and it wasnt because the league conspired against us, it was just how COVID effected us from the start of the season to the end. We had more rest scheduled later in the season, but unfortunately after playing the log jam in the beginning of the season we got a break we did not wish for and we lost the chemistry that was beginning to click over a 15 game span. Then we get thrown to the wolves who have been feasting on games all month while we starved for a month.

 

please just stop with this stupid argument and wait and see how we do with a fair season before blaming everything on any one particular person or area of the organization when we did not have the same season as all 30 other teams

 

we have a bright future ahead and you need to realize it is much brighter now than it was 4 years ago.

We can ACTUALLY see a future for this team, something we have not seen since Burke’s drafting. 
 

The future is still bright but his concerns are more then legitimate. The start of our season was almost identical for the first 11 games as Edmonton and very close to Toronto as well

so stop saying the start of our season was the worst. Teams go through adversity in a season and we were long out of the playoffs prior to the covid outbreak so that’s another excuse you should bury. You act like Toffoli will

be awful when his contract expires but he’ll only be 31. So you say it’s good to let him

go but let’s overpay Beagle who was older then that and strictly a defensive player when we signed him. Let’s pay Myers too much money into his mid 30s but let’s draw the line on effective years at a cost friendly deal on Toffoli. The future is bright as long as Benning goes, if we lose that dark cloud we should be alright and we should also be in a much better position then we are in. Bennings had 7 years, plenty of time to see what he can do and we aren’t impressed. You’re clearly very easily impressed. Were you stoked when you got C-‘a in school? because I mean, it’s close to failure but you still passed. JB is a human C-

[Marv-the-wet-bandit]

4 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

You’re right, he left him with Horvat, zero other prospects and a bunch of older and declining players. 
Had Gillis or even Nonis been able to draft, you could make the argument that they left something for Benning. But the main core was from the Burke era

 

It was Burke who left things behind for Benning, unfortunately that core was drafted between ‘99-04. Gillis and Nonis acquired other pieces, but they were all 30+ by then. Aside from Horvat.

 

He may have had a solid base on the ice, but he didnt have any reinforcements outside of that.... like maybe another prospect or 2...... like just something else to look forward to

 

Burke’s drafting is what built the 2011 team, Nonis and Gillis plugged in the puzzle pieces that put us over the top. They did nothing else. They have almost nothing to show for their drafting and development

I love how you turn Bennings failures into Gillis’. Benning has been here for 7 full seasons. Gillis was hot garbage, absolutely. But so is Benning. Are you his cousin or is this secretly JB? And those declining pieces, like Kesler who had 3 very good seasons in Anaheim so you’re a little quick to put him down, should have gotten us on the right track and it didn’t, because BENNING is incompetent, as Gillis was. But they aren’t tied at the hip 7 years later like you keep insinuating 

[Timråfan]

14 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

Benning made a trade to acquire Toffoli to push for playoffs which IS the goal ultimately. 

So why did Benning flush this seasons play off away?

With Toffoli, Tanev, Stecher, Fantenberg, Höglander this seasons playoff could have been in the bank.

Every player knew that Marky was lost but the circus around Stecher, Tanev and Toffoli disrupted the team and made it really hard to reach play off.

So why did Benning do what ge did?

Especially if a play off was the goal.

 

Our window is a few years ahead so this is just bonus rounds. No matter yet if Stecher was to small or Tanev too old. Those decisions is a few years ahead. 

[wallstreetamigo]

18 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

Okay I understand how you feel about the Toffoli situation. But you just arent getting it.

 

We looked like we had an opportunity to make the playoffs the way things were going.

Benning made a trade to acquire Toffoli to push for playoffs which IS the goal ultimately. Adding Toffoli to our top 6 makes us a threat in the playoffs if we make it in.

 

We ended up making it into the play-in round and we earned a spot in the playoffs. Hooray!!!

We played the defending champs and we dusted them in 6. HOOOORAAAAY we won a playoff round!

 

We met up with Vegas and we were absolutely dominated. The Toffoli acquisition was not enough to put us over the top. Bringing him back, is the same roster that lost to VGK. 

The flat cap after acquiring Toffoli changed the outcome for a lot of players.

 

We chased OEL but it never materialized and as I pointed out to you the other day. The timelines of when OEL stood pat and Toffoli signed with Montreal do not overlap each other. The OEL deal died prior to free agency on the 9th. Toffoli signed 3 days later on the 12th.. OEL = no go on the 9th... Toffoli = gone on the 12th

9 is before 12 and 12 is after 9.

 

We did not offer him a contract period. Resigning a declining player to help in a losing season does not do anything to help us other than help us be a bit better at losing. 

YES we could have just not made that trade and kept the pick and prospect, but we saw an opportunity to maybe ruffle some feathers in the playoffs. And everyone knows, that if you make it in, you have a chance to win. The LAK did that to us in 2012. 1 versus 13

 

3 years later when we are trying to compete we have a declining Toffoli holding up 4.25m and roster spot. Then what? Do we re-sign him? Or do we let him walk?
 

Instead, we let him walk and in 2 to 3 years when we are competitive we acquire a 26-29 year old UFA who extends our window to win and we go from competitive to contenders. 
 

Toffoli will be a moot point by the time his 4 year deal ends. We will become contenders with or without him. Either way it wont matter. 

 

Stop looking at this season as a measuring stick. This was not a normal season, there was no preparation for any teams, out of every team in the league we ACTUALLY had the worst schedule to start the season. We got hit with injuries from fatigue due to how jam packed our schedule was. We were the only team in the league to be shut down for 1 month. We then finished off our season with 19 games in 30 days. Our regular season isnt over and the playoffs are already underway.

 

IF this was a normal season, with a training camp, no covid, then that would be fair to rip a new hole in the team and management. But this is not the case and without playing the homer card, did not have the same season as any other team in the NHL and it wasnt because the league conspired against us, it was just how COVID effected us from the start of the season to the end. We had more rest scheduled later in the season, but unfortunately after playing the log jam in the beginning of the season we got a break we did not wish for and we lost the chemistry that was beginning to click over a 15 game span. Then we get thrown to the wolves who have been feasting on games all month while we starved for a month.

 

please just stop with this stupid argument and wait and see how we do with a fair season before blaming everything on any one particular person or area of the organization when we did not have the same season as all 30 other teams

 

we have a bright future ahead and you need to realize it is much brighter now than it was 4 years ago.

We can ACTUALLY see a future for this team, something we have not seen since Burke’s drafting. 
 

So why did Benning trade our top C prospect and a 2nd for him then in the first place?

 

Toffoli is on a steal of a contract right now. Would it be as good in year 4? Who knows. Will Pearson's be good then? Who knows. Myers? Who knows. 

 

Benning not signing Toffoli was a stupid move considering the assets he paid to acquire him. Covid did not stop signing Holtby, trying to trade for OEL, etc. So your argument is that a 28 goal scorer who was also a ppg player is in massive decline? Just to support probably the stupidest decision by Benning since Eriksson?

 

Ok bud.

[knucklehead91]

3 minutes ago, Marv-the-wet-bandit said:I love how you turn Bennings failures into Gillis’. Benning has been here for 7 full seasons. Gillis was hot garbage, absolutely. But so is Benning. Are you his cousin or is this secretly JB? And those declining pieces, like Kesler who had 3 very good seasons in Anaheim so you’re a little quick to put him down, should have gotten us on the right track and it didn’t, because BENNING is incompetent, as Gillis was. But they aren’t tied at the hip 7 years later like you keep insinuating 

THE F***ING SEDINS WERE ON THE F***ING TEAM AND WERE THE ONLY SCORING LINE WE HAD. They had ZERO supporting cast thanks to Gillis.
Kesler had good seasons on a GOOD team. He lasted 3 seasons and that 4th season was an absolute atrocity

GILLIS’S LAST SEASON

2013-14

25th 36-35-11

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000392014.html

 

BENNINGS FIRST SEASON

2014-15

8th 48-29-5 made the playoffs

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000392015.html

 

The lack of Gillis’s drafting and holding onto the same failing core for so long left JB with nothing when he entered the Canucks, he spent a few years trying to patch up a cup for the sedins. They retired and the rebuild officially began. Out of respect for the Sedins in the twilight of their careers, ownership and management wasnt going to put them through a rebuild in the final years. They tried to hailmary a cup and the Sedins realized, they appreciated everything they were doing for them and they were going to do the fans and the organization a favour by retiring and putting an end to the hopeless attempts to win them a cup. That is not on Benning. What he does from here onward is on him this is now HIS team that HE built. 

 

It is Gillis’s failures that had us in a mess when Benning got here. Benning was able to right the ship for a single year in the mess he joined but there was a ton of work to do

 

[Marv-the-wet-bandit]

2 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

THE F***ING SEDINS WERE ON THE F***ING TEAM AND WERE THE ONLY SCORING LINE WE HAD. They had ZERO supporting cast thanks to Gillis.
Kesler had good seasons on a GOOD team. He lasted 3 seasons and that 4th season was an absolute atrocity

GILLIS’S LAST SEASON

2013-14

25th 36-35-11

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000392014.html

 

BENNINGS FIRST SEASON

2014-15

8th 48-29-5 made the playoffs

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000392015.html

 

The lack of Gillis’s drafting and holding onto the same failing core for so long left JB with nothing when he entered the Canucks, he spent a few years trying to patch up a cup for the sedins. They retired and the rebuild officially began. Out of respect for the Sedins in the twilight of their careers, ownership and management wasnt going to put them through a rebuild in the final years. They tried to hailmary a cup and the Sedins realized, they appreciated everything they were doing for them and they were going to do the fans and the organization a favour by retiring and putting an end to the hopeless attempts to win them a cup. That is not on Benning. What he does from here onward is on him this is now HIS team that HE built. 

 

It is Gillis’s failures that had us in a mess when Benning got here. Benning was able to right the ship for a single year in the mess he joined but there was a ton of work to do

 

It’s Bennings issues as to why we are here. Overpaying middling players, not moving anyone for draft picks or the right prospects. They should have started the rebuild immediately. You don’t hold off on that for 2 aging all stars that won’t lead you to a cup. You break it down and rebuild it. As mentioned, Kesler, Burrows, Hansen and Hamhuis alone should have put us on track early. But Benning and not Gillis didn’t do that correctly and then even went out and spent draft picks on the likes of Vey, Baer and Pedan. Im sure you will blame all that on Gillis magically though. Clearly Benning can do no wrong in your mind and deserves carte blanche to do whatever he pleases until he decides to retire and it’ll be Gillis’ fault in 2034 too

[knucklehead91]

16 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

So why did Benning trade our top C prospect and a 2nd for him then in the first place?

 

Toffoli is on a steal of a contract right now. Would it be as good in year 4? Who knows. Will Pearson's be good then? Who knows. Myers? Who knows. 

 

Benning not signing Toffoli was a stupid move considering the assets he paid to acquire him. Covid did not stop signing Holtby, trying to trade for OEL, etc. So your argument is that a 28 goal scorer who was also a ppg player is in massive decline? Just to support probably the stupidest decision by Benning since Eriksson?

 

Ok bud.

 

you are actually the dumbest person on earth. ive told you why he made that trade.

 

Stick to basketball you are as dumb and naive as can be to believe that because Toffoli put up 28g in a COVID season with some weak ass teams that he will replicate this next year and continue to build on that. Go shoot some hoops

 

You are the biggest f***ing liar if you say that you knew Eriksson would turn out to be a complete shamble when we acquired him.

There was a lot to be hyped about and believe in when we signed Eriksson to play with the Sedins, NO ONE saw it panning out the way it did. 

You are now being ignored for eternity. You are the dumbest poster on these forums.
 

[knucklehead91]

2 minutes ago, Marv-the-wet-bandit said:

It’s Bennings issues as to why we are here. Overpaying middling players, not moving anyone for draft picks or the right prospects. They should have started the rebuild immediately. You don’t hold off on that for 2 aging all stars that won’t lead you to a cup. You break it down and rebuild it. As mentioned, Kesler, Burrows, Hansen and Hamhuis alone should have put us on track early. But Benning and not Gillis didn’t do that correctly and then even went out and spent draft picks on the likes of Vey, Baer and Pedan. Im sure you will blame all that on Gillis magically though. Clearly Benning can do no wrong in your mind and deserves carte blanche to do whatever he pleases until he decides to retire and it’ll be Gillis’ fault in 2034 too

And as its been mentioned before, prior to the Sedins retiring Ownership was still hanging onto the hopes of playoff revenue. This is why it never happened when he first arrived. It wasnt until the Sedins retired that Ownership HAD TO accept a rebuild.

[Marv-the-wet-bandit]

Just now, knucklehead91 said:

And as its been mentioned before, prior to the Sedins retiring Ownership was still hanging onto the hopes of playoff revenue. This is why it never happened when he first arrived. It wasnt until the Sedins retired that Ownership HAD TO accept a rebuild.

I think ownership is awful too, but saying Benning isn’t is either a lie from your blind fanness or you can’t comprehend the scenario. A rebuilding team should not trade 2 assets to make the playoffs ahead of schedule. A rebuilding team uses patience and smarts and builds a winner. That’s easier to do with one of the top prospects in your stable and a 2nd rounder. Benning has dropped the ball so many times it’s now lopsided, it started circular and now looks like a rugby ball. Other GMs must love him running a team because he makes everyone else look that much better. He will be gone this off-season or next. Whenever ownership realizes that the fan base has had enough which will hopefully be a lot sooner then later. Again, Benning is a walking C- and just as bad as Gillis was, just under different circumstances 

[wallstreetamigo]

8 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

 

you are actually the dumbest person on earth. ive told you why he made that trade.

 

Stick to basketball you are as dumb and naive as can be to believe that because Toffoli put up 28g in a COVID season with some weak ass teams that he will replicate this next year and continue to build on that. Go shoot some hoops

 

You are the biggest f***ing liar if you say that you knew Eriksson would turn out to be a complete shamble when we acquired him.

There was a lot to be hyped about and believe in when we signed Eriksson to play with the Sedins, NO ONE saw it panning out the way it did. 

You are now being ignored for eternity. You are the dumbest poster on these forums.
 

First, I think someone who cant distinguish someone saying hockey and BASEBALL probably shouldnt call other people dumb.

 

Also, Toffoli played in the same $&!#ty division as the Canucks did. He would have ked our team in goals. So how (besides the boo hoo we had to play 1 more game in the first month of the season drivel you spout) do you explain offensive beasts like Pearson, etc not hitting 50 goals if declining Toffoli can get 28?

 

There is no argument that validates a rental of Toffoli. Either a GM thinks his team is competitive or he doesnt. It doesnt typically change on a dime like that situation did. He couldnt afford Toffoli because of all his other stupid moves.

 

Even Benning himself has said he wanted to keep Toffoli but "ran out of time". So even when Benning himself has refuted what you say you still insist you are right? Haha what a tool.

 

Lots of people actually had serious reservations about the Eriksson signing at the time. And anyone who paid attention to his deployment the previous year in Boston saw the obvious challenges he was going to have in Van. Did I think he would be the steaming pile of garbage he became? No, but I didnt think he was the answer or his contract was a good idea.

Edited May 17, 2021 by wallstreetamigo

[knucklehead91]

16 minutes ago, Marv-the-wet-bandit said:

It’s Bennings issues as to why we are here. Overpaying middling players, not moving anyone for draft picks or the right prospects. They should have started the rebuild immediately. You don’t hold off on that for 2 aging all stars that won’t lead you to a cup. You break it down and rebuild it. As mentioned, Kesler, Burrows, Hansen and Hamhuis alone should have put us on track early. But Benning and not Gillis didn’t do that correctly and then even went out and spent draft picks on the likes of Vey, Baer and Pedan. Im sure you will blame all that on Gillis magically though. Clearly Benning can do no wrong in your mind and deserves carte blanche to do whatever he pleases until he decides to retire and it’ll be Gillis’ fault in 2034 too

Go look at the draft cycle I posted a few pages back as to how all cup winners in the last 12 years were built by drafting 6-12 years prior to their cup win. 
Tampa and Washington are the perfect examples of how rebuilding takes time. It took 10+ years for both franchises to win a cup after they started their rebuild in 04 and 08 respectively.

We are in year 3... i repeat year f***ing 3.

missed playoffs the first year, made a decent run in the 2nd year, this year was NOT AT ALL A FAIR SEASON FOR THE CANUCKS WITHOUT HOMERISM. 
 

WE

HAD

THE

TOUGHEST

SCHEDULE

TO

START

 

OUR LIGHTER SCHEDULING WAS TAILORED TO THE END OF THE SEASON

 

COVID HIT US

 

WE MISSED A MONTH AND SAT AROUND

 

WE DID NOT ASK FOR THAT BREAK AND DID NOT WANT IT

 

WE WERE ON FIRE BEFORE COVID IN A 15 GAME STRETCH WE WERE ONE OF THE HOTTEST TEAMS

 

WE LOST PETTERSON FOR 30 GAMES

 

WE THEN END THE SEASON WITH NO REST, JUST LIKE WE STARTED THE SEASON

 

 

imagine if we actually had Pettersson for the last 30 games of the season.... WE ARE PROBABLY IN A F***ING PLAYOFF POSITION AND TOFFOLI IS LONG FORGOTTEN

@wallstreetamigo You are too blind and dense to deal with.

 

 

Edited May 17, 2021 by knucklehead91

[knucklehead91]

7 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

First, I think someone who cant distinguish someone saying hockey and BASEBALL probably shouldnt call other people dumb.

 

Also, Toffoli played in the same $&!#ty division as the Canucks did. He would have ked our team in goals. So how (besides the boo hoo we had to play 1 more game in the first month of the season drivel you spout) do you explain offensive beasts like Pearson, etc not hitting 50 goals if declining Toffoli can get 28?

 

There is no argument that validates a rental of Toffoli. Either a GM thinks his team is competitive or he doesnt. It doesnt typically change on a dime like that situation did. He couldnt afford Toffoli because of all his other stupid moves.

 

Even Benning himself has said he wanted to keep Toffoli but "ran out of time". So even when Benning himself has refuted what you say you still insist you are right? Haha what a tool.

 

Lots of people actually had serious reservations about the Eriksson signing at the time. And anyone who paid attention to his deployment the previous year in Boston saw the obvious challenges he was going to have in Van. Did I think he would be the steaming pile of garbage he became? No, but I didnt think he was the answer or his contract was a good idea.

Basketball court is ———>

@wallstreetamigo this is my last response to you. 

 

Edited May 17, 2021 by knucklehead91

[wallstreetamigo]

Just now, knucklehead91 said:

Go look at the draft cycle I posted a few pages back as to how all cup winners in the last 12 years were built by drafting 6-12 years prior to their cup win. 
Tampa and Washington are the perfect examples of how rebuilding takes time. It took 10+ years for both franchises to win a cup after they started their rebuild in 04 and 08 respectively.

We are in year 3... i repeat year f***ing 3.

missed playoffs the first year, made a decent run in the 2nd year, this year was NOT AT ALL A FAIR SEASON FOR THE CANUCKS WITHOUT HOMERISM. 
 

WE

HAD

THE

TOUGHEST

SCHEDULE

TO

START

 

OUR LIGHTER SCHEDULING WAS TAILORED TO THE END OF THE SEASON

 

COVID HIT US

 

WE MISSED A MONTH AND SAT AROUND

 

WE DID NOT ASK FOR THAT BREAK AND DID NOT WANT IT

 

WE WERE ON FIRE BEFORE COVID IN A 15 GAME STRETCH WE WERE ONE OF THE HOTTEST TEAMS

 

WE LOST PETTERSON FOR 30 GAMES

 

WE THEN END THE SEASON WITH NO REST, JUST LIKE WE STARTED THE SEASON

 

 

imagine if we actually had Pettersson for the last 30 games of the season.... WE ARE PROBABLY IN A F***ING PLAYOFF POSITION AND TOFFOLI IS LONG FORGOTTEN

@wallstreetamigo this is my last response to you. You are too blind and dense to deal with.

 

 

You will respond again. You cant help it. And thats ok. Its entertaining to see you make every excuse in the book.

 

If your players cant handle an extra game or two the first month of the season then you might have the wrong players. Its all excuses.

 

Every team dealt with lack of practice and rest. And too many games in a short period of time. Every team had key injuries. We have only had one key long term injury to EP.

 

Under your theory literally no team should have been able to make the playoffs.

[wallstreetamigo]

4 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

@wallstreetamigo this is my last response to you. You are too blind and dense to deal with.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, knucklehead91 said:

Basketball court is ———>
 

 

Haha knew you couldnt resist responding.

 

And btw, Tampa and Washington actually were contenders for several years before they won cups. They didnt actually rebuild for very long.

[Marv-the-wet-bandit]

4 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

Go look at the draft cycle I posted a few pages back as to how all cup winners in the last 12 years were built by drafting 6-12 years prior to their cup win. 
Tampa and Washington are the perfect examples of how rebuilding takes time. It took 10+ years for both franchises to win a cup after they started their rebuild in 04 and 08 respectively.

We are in year 3... i repeat year f***ing 3.

missed playoffs the first year, made a decent run in the 2nd year, this year was NOT AT ALL A FAIR SEASON FOR THE CANUCKS WITHOUT HOMERISM. 
 

WE

HAD

THE

TOUGHEST

SCHEDULE

TO

START

 

OUR LIGHTER SCHEDULING WAS TAILORED TO THE END OF THE SEASON

 

COVID HIT US

 

WE MISSED A MONTH AND SAT AROUND

 

WE DID NOT ASK FOR THAT BREAK AND DID NOT WANT IT

 

WE WERE ON FIRE BEFORE COVID IN A 15 GAME STRETCH WE WERE ONE OF THE HOTTEST TEAMS

 

WE LOST PETTERSON FOR 30 GAMES

 

WE THEN END THE SEASON WITH NO REST, JUST LIKE WE STARTED THE SEASON

 

 

imagine if we actually had Pettersson for the last 30 games of the season.... WE ARE PROBABLY IN A F***ING PLAYOFF POSITION AND TOFFOLI IS LONG FORGOTTEN

@wallstreetamigo this is my last response to you. You are too blind and dense to deal with.

 

 

There’s nothing to lead me to believe in the first 37 games that even a healthy Pettersson brings us to the playoffs, that’s a fairytale. You say they were playing great in the 15 games prior to the shutdown, go look at those 15 games, they include 4 regulation wins and 6 regulation losses so you’re delusional to think that pace gets you in the playoffs, that is not a playoff team. Stop spewing the same false narrative over and over and over. And again, the start to our season was almost identical to Edmonton and also extremely close to Toronto so that’s another reach. All you do is make ridiculous excuses that are false and say it like it’s fact, you’re this boards version of Trump. Those teams all did it with highly drafted players. Crosby, Malkin and Staal all top 3. Toews and Kane top 3 along with an amazing surrounding cast. Kings had Doughty at 2 and Kopitar was a stud even though he wasn’t top 5, Justin Williams and a productive Dustin Brown with elite goaltending will put you in position to succeed. So those teams didn’t do anything stupid and trade assets for a Toffoli prior to being ready, they did terrible and drafted high which goes against your theory of adding Toffoli for extra wins that season because it actually hurts the rebuild in the long run. You literally just run around in circles continuously saying the same things over and over even though there is zero merit to a lot of it. I get it, you have JB posters on your wall and you’re a fan. Don’t try to convince people with common sense they should be too, we aren’t falling for it haha. But stay steadfast in your absurd and insane beliefs. I guess you’re the person that will be upset when he gets fired. I’ll cashapp you some money for Kleenex 

[bad alice french]

1 hour ago, knucklehead91 said:

Okay I understand how you feel about the Toffoli situation. But you just arent getting it.

 

We looked like we had an opportunity to make the playoffs the way things were going.

Benning made a trade to acquire Toffoli to push for playoffs which IS the goal ultimately. Adding Toffoli to our top 6 makes us a threat in the playoffs if we make it in.

 

We ended up making it into the play-in round and we earned a spot in the playoffs. Hooray!!!

We played the defending champs and we dusted them in 6. HOOOORAAAAY we won a playoff round!

 

We met up with Vegas and we were absolutely dominated. The Toffoli acquisition was not enough to put us over the top. Bringing him back, is the same roster that lost to VGK. 

The flat cap after acquiring Toffoli changed the outcome for a lot of players.

 

We chased OEL but it never materialized and as I pointed out to you the other day. The timelines of when OEL stood pat and Toffoli signed with Montreal do not overlap each other. The OEL deal died prior to free agency on the 9th. Toffoli signed 3 days later on the 12th.. OEL = no go on the 9th... Toffoli = gone on the 12th

9 is before 12 and 12 is after 9.

 

We did not offer him a contract period. Resigning a declining player to help in a losing season does not do anything to help us other than help us be a bit better at losing. 

YES we could have just not made that trade and kept the pick and prospect, but we saw an opportunity to maybe ruffle some feathers in the playoffs. And everyone knows, that if you make it in, you have a chance to win. The LAK did that to us in 2012. 1 versus 13

 

3 years later when we are trying to compete we have a declining Toffoli holding up 4.25m and roster spot. Then what? Do we re-sign him? Or do we let him walk?
 

Instead, we let him walk and in 2 to 3 years when we are competitive we acquire a 26-29 year old UFA who extends our window to win and we go from competitive to contenders. 
 

Toffoli will be a moot point by the time his 4 year deal ends. We will become contenders with or without him. Either way it wont matter. 

 

Stop looking at this season as a measuring stick. This was not a normal season, there was no preparation for any teams, out of every team in the league we ACTUALLY had the worst schedule to start the season. We got hit with injuries from fatigue due to how jam packed our schedule was. We were the only team in the league to be shut down for 1 month. We then finished off our season with 19 games in 30 days. Our regular season isnt over and the playoffs are already underway.

 

IF this was a normal season, with a training camp, no covid, then that would be fair to rip a new hole in the team and management. But this is not the case and without playing the homer card, did not have the same season as any other team in the NHL and it wasnt because the league conspired against us, it was just how COVID effected us from the start of the season to the end. We had more rest scheduled later in the season, but unfortunately after playing the log jam in the beginning of the season we got a break we did not wish for and we lost the chemistry that was beginning to click over a 15 game span. Then we get thrown to the wolves who have been feasting on games all month while we starved for a month.

 

please just stop with this stupid argument and wait and see how we do with a fair season before blaming everything on any one particular person or area of the organization when we did not have the same season as all 30 other teams

 

we have a bright future ahead and you need to realize it is much brighter now than it was 4 years ago.

We can ACTUALLY see a future for this team, something we have not seen since Burke’s drafting. 
 

Hey man, really solid post that has got me coming back around on JB's side a little.

The only problem I have with this reasoning lies in the fact that you may be overvaluing out bright future. I'm not sold on the belief that 2 players are enough to get this team into contention. Hughes and Petey... sorry but still not willing to believe they are enough to push this team further on their own and our prospects beyond them project to be secondary/pieces and are still greatly unproven.

Which Boeser are we going to see next year?

Is Bo what he is or does he lack quality line mates to maximize his contributions?

Looking forward to what Hogz brings moving forward. Isaw it in his highlight package at camp last year and not that surprised at his skill level. Still, He's a second line forward and not a star... yet.

The way I feel now is that I'm 50/50 on rating this management over the past seven years. Some great moves, some good, many not so good, some terrible

I'b be OK with a change. He's had a long time to get this roster filled out and as of right now it simply looks dismal.

Hope I'm wrong.