Popular Post Nuxfanabroad Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 Firstly, appreciate a number of threads have been kicked off in homage to yesterday's fine outcome; but I feel this is noteworthy, & somewhat separate in detail. Whether a lover or hater of JB & Van's managerial-approach, I would hope we can all agree on one salient point: that JB & Dubas' moves have been a study in contrasts. Would assume this will somewhat assist Gent Jim, as he discusses $/term with our young stars. Already he has reasoned with Bo, Brock & Thatcher to accept deals that serve their own, and the team's interests. I have faith that he will do likewise with our two young stars this summer. The performance of TO's overpaid, ballyhooed circus act, is just one more bullet in the chamber of reason. Let's not play rushin'-roulette with our young guns, eh?(misspelled by design) What defines Dubas(& his time)? - Sign a flashy UFA as core-piece, & pronounced official leader. Committing over 10% to an outsider, as RFA's line up for contracts - Then obscenely overpay said RFA's. Blowing up more bridges than a Hollyweird, B-rate, adventure flick - Bring in a succession(helter skelter) of more aging leaders(at various stages of career-decomposition). They will supposedly help shelter the hugely-compensated RFA$$$ - Trade/fritter away 1st's to either jettison aforementioned, aging, decaying vets, and/or reload with more of 'em! - Rifts with greying, respected names(like Lou & Babs) in the game longer than this guy's been alive Don't think we've seen nearrr the conscienceless turnover this vast machine has been churning through. Yet the lamestream sporting media has enlightened us all with how superior their approach has been. Ladies & gents of the jury, I hereby provide this damning evidence of why Kyle Du_b@$$ is a direct threat to ML-society. ********************************** & think of the flack poor ol' JB has taken. Let's thank our lucky stars ownership has the wisdom & patience to know otherwise! 1 6 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 The only good thing the Leafs have managed in my lifetime at least, was a 7 game eventual WG thrashing in 93. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Heffy Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, IBatch said: The only good thing the Leafs have managed in my lifetime at least, was a 7 game eventual WG thrashing in 93. Last coach to win a playoff round was Quinn. Out of respect for the man, I'll refrain from trash talking that era's Leafs teams. 1 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 I don't see Leafs failure making us successful, Why would management and owner care here, especially if they have their own day to day plan? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bertuzzipunch Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 Oh my Alain Vignault is Not gonna like this thread. He lives and breaths Dobie. Sad 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 1, 2021 Author Share Posted June 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Oh my Alain Vignault is Not gonna like this thread. He lives and breaths Dobie. Sad Well perhaps this logical reasoning might persuade him to see the shining light ?! :^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Johnny Torts Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 The stars are lining up in Vancouver. EDM lost TOR lost Draft lottery tomorrow... 3 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 They should never have let Lou Lamoriello go - would've just been a matter of time before he built a legitimate contender there. Actually, maybe it was for the better he left TO lol.... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 5nothincanucksohno Posted June 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Firstly, appreciate a number of threads have been kicked off in homage to yesterday's fine outcome; but I feel this is noteworthy, & somewhat separate in detail. Whether a lover or hater of JB & Van's managerial-approach, I would hope we can all agree on one salient point: that JB & Dubas' moves have been a study in contrasts. Would assume this will somewhat assist Gent Jim, as he discusses $/term with our young stars. Already he has reasoned with Bo, Brock & Thatcher to accept deals that serve their own, and the team's interests. I have faith that he will do likewise with our two young stars this summer. The performance of TO's overpaid, ballyhooed circus act, is just one more bullet in the chamber of reason. Let's not play rushin'-roulette with our young guns, eh?(misspelled by design) What defines Dubas(& his time)? - Sign a flashy UFA as core-piece, & pronounced official leader. Committing over 10% to an outsider, as RFA's line up for contracts - Then obscenely overpay said RFA's. Blowing up more bridges than a Hollyweird, B-rate, adventure flick - Bring in a succession(helter skelter) of more aging leaders(at various stages of career-decomposition). They will supposedly help shelter the hugely-compensated RFA$$$ - Trade/fritter away 1st's to either jettison aforementioned, aging, decaying vets, and/or reload with more of 'em! - Rifts with greying, respected names(like Lou & Babs) in the game longer than this guy's been alive Don't think we've seen nearrr the conscienceless turnover this vast machine has been churning through. Yet the lamestream sporting media has enlightened us all with how superior their approach has been. Ladies & gents of the jury, I hereby provide this damning evidence of why Kyle Du_b@$$ is a direct threat to ML-society. ********************************** & think of the flack poor ol' JB has taken. Let's thank our lucky stars ownership has the wisdom & patience to know otherwise! His decision to sign those shorter term, expensive RFA deals was far worse than anything Benning has ever done - don't hear that talked about much though. The sense of entitlement in that organization is palpable. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wallstreetamigo Posted June 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Firstly, appreciate a number of threads have been kicked off in homage to yesterday's fine outcome; but I feel this is noteworthy, & somewhat separate in detail. Whether a lover or hater of JB & Van's managerial-approach, I would hope we can all agree on one salient point: that JB & Dubas' moves have been a study in contrasts. Would assume this will somewhat assist Gent Jim, as he discusses $/term with our young stars. Already he has reasoned with Bo, Brock & Thatcher to accept deals that serve their own, and the team's interests. I have faith that he will do likewise with our two young stars this summer. The performance of TO's overpaid, ballyhooed circus act, is just one more bullet in the chamber of reason. Let's not play rushin'-roulette with our young guns, eh?(misspelled by design) What defines Dubas(& his time)? - Sign a flashy UFA as core-piece, & pronounced official leader. Committing over 10% to an outsider, as RFA's line up for contracts - Then obscenely overpay said RFA's. Blowing up more bridges than a Hollyweird, B-rate, adventure flick - Bring in a succession(helter skelter) of more aging leaders(at various stages of career-decomposition). They will supposedly help shelter the hugely-compensated RFA$$$ - Trade/fritter away 1st's to either jettison aforementioned, aging, decaying vets, and/or reload with more of 'em! - Rifts with greying, respected names(like Lou & Babs) in the game longer than this guy's been alive Don't think we've seen nearrr the conscienceless turnover this vast machine has been churning through. Yet the lamestream sporting media has enlightened us all with how superior their approach has been. Ladies & gents of the jury, I hereby provide this damning evidence of why Kyle Du_b@$$ is a direct threat to ML-society. ********************************** & think of the flack poor ol' JB has taken. Let's thank our lucky stars ownership has the wisdom & patience to know otherwise! Toronto $&!#ting the bed has nothing to do with Vancouver $&!#ting the bed. If Hughes and EP take lower bridge contracts it will not be because of Matthews or Marner being playoff failures. It will be because they choose to for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with Toronto. The fallacy that Benning has not done a lot of the same types of things Dubas has done is interesting to me. Benning has wasted a ton of cap. He has just wasted it on a different focus. Bottom 6 "foundational" guys and sub par UFA players rather than top rfa players. He has made bad choices regarding players he has signed. And he has not been patient at all. Pretty much every year he has tried for a quick fix type solution that simply hasnt worked out. Dubas being a terrible GM doesnt make Benning a great one. Our expectation should not be that Benning has been better than train wreck GM's snd teams. It should be is he at least keepi g up with quality GM's and teams. And at this point, imo, he isnt. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 21 minutes ago, 5nothincanucksohno said: His decision to sign those shorter term, expensive RFA deals was far worse than anything Benning has ever done - don't hear that talked about much though. The sense of entitlement in that organization is palpable. Bizzare. Don't care about Tavares, he earned his pay day the correct way, was underpaid during his second deal. But Mathews for only five years is a sticky point, especially at that price (right to free agency). Collectively they've missed out on a very good 3C or a nice bump on D or something. A lot of lessons to be learned from his mistakes league wide - brings back memories of the late 90's when salaries were spinning out of control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lmm Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Firstly, appreciate a number of threads have been kicked off in homage to yesterday's fine outcome; but I feel this is noteworthy, & somewhat separate in detail. Whether a lover or hater of JB & Van's managerial-approach, I would hope we can all agree on one salient point: that JB & Dubas' moves have been a study in contrasts. Would assume this will somewhat assist Gent Jim, as he discusses $/term with our young stars. Already he has reasoned with Bo, Brock & Thatcher to accept deals that serve their own, and the team's interests. I have faith that he will do likewise with our two young stars this summer. The performance of TO's overpaid, ballyhooed circus act, is just one more bullet in the chamber of reason. Let's not play rushin'-roulette with our young guns, eh?(misspelled by design) What defines Dubas(& his time)? - Sign a flashy UFA as core-piece, & pronounced official leader. Committing over 10% to an outsider, as RFA's line up for contracts - Then obscenely overpay said RFA's. Blowing up more bridges than a Hollyweird, B-rate, adventure flick - Bring in a succession(helter skelter) of more aging leaders(at various stages of career-decomposition). They will supposedly help shelter the hugely-compensated RFA$$$ - Trade/fritter away 1st's to either jettison aforementioned, aging, decaying vets, and/or reload with more of 'em! - Rifts with greying, respected names(like Lou & Babs) in the game longer than this guy's been alive Don't think we've seen nearrr the conscienceless turnover this vast machine has been churning through. Yet the lamestream sporting media has enlightened us all with how superior their approach has been. Ladies & gents of the jury, I hereby provide this damning evidence of why Kyle Du_b@$$ is a direct threat to ML-society. ********************************** & think of the flack poor ol' JB has taken. Let's thank our lucky stars ownership has the wisdom & patience to know otherwise! I never unserstand Canuck Faithfuls penchant for comparing our beloved Jimmer to bad GMs. why not compare him to good GMs ? I know that would raise the benchmark, but I thought the goal was to make this team better/good/great. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, lmm said: I never unserstand Canuck Faithfuls penchant for comparing our beloved Jimmer to bad GMs. why not compare him to good GMs ? I know that would raise the benchmark, but I thought the goal was to make this team better/good/great. Been saying this for awhile. If you want to be the best you have to beat the best. Being better than train wreck GM's and teams is the comparison many are comfortable with because the other comparison does not allow them to consider Benning a great GM. I know for me, I expect more than we are better than Toronto or Buffalo. Being the best of the worst is still pretty damn bad overall. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, lmm said: I never unserstand Canuck Faithfuls penchant for comparing our beloved Jimmer to bad GMs. why not compare him to good GMs ? I know that would raise the benchmark, but I thought the goal was to make this team better/good/great. Hmm, you might be distracted by the 21st C, or incredibly busy in your day to day? I'd historically compared his fine('14-19) run of drafting with the 1970's work of the legendary Bill Torrey. Of course time is required to play these things out. But I most certainly put it out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Hmm, you might be distracted by the 21st C, or incredibly busy in your day to day? I'd historically compared his fine('14-19) run of drafting with the 1970's work of the legendary Bill Torrey. Of course time is required to play these things out. But I most certainly put it out there. Drafting doesnt exist in a vacuum though. Where you draft matters too. And the trade off to draft high has been a terrible team resukts wise. To properly judge a GM's drafting record, if your goal is to declare them the difference maker in hitting homeruns, you have to factor in where the players they drafted were projected to go in addition to where they went and how they ultimately turned out. The only crystal clear example of a major drafting coup in the early rounds is drafting Petterssen a few spots above where he was projected to go. He turned out to be a clear homerun. Hughes, Podkolzin, McCann, Boeser, Demko, Hoglander, etc were all taken within the expected range they would be. Juolevi and Virtanen were by position stretch picks at the time and hindsight has not changed that. Some of his later picks have apparently not been as good as we all hoped. If they were, they would not have been let go for little or nothing in return. Others still may be very clear homeruns but the jury is still out. Overall drafting has been a strength of Benning's time as GM. He deserves credit for doing a good job there, particularly in direct comparison to previous Canucks GM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: Drafting doesnt exist in a vacuum though. Where you draft matters too. And the trade off to draft high has been a terrible team resukts wise. To properly judge a GM's drafting record, if your goal is to declare them the difference maker in hitting homeruns, you have to factor in where the players they drafted were projected to go in addition to where they went and how they ultimately turned out. The only crystal clear example of a major drafting coup in the early rounds is drafting Petterssen a few spots above where he was projected to go. He turned out to be a clear homerun. Hughes, Podkolzin, McCann, Boeser, Demko, Hoglander, etc were all taken within the expected range they would be. Juolevi and Virtanen were by position stretch picks at the time and hindsight has not changed that. Some of his later picks have apparently not been as good as we all hoped. If they were, they would not have been let go for little or nothing in return. Others still may be very clear homeruns but the jury is still out. Overall drafting has been a strength of Benning's time as GM. He deserves credit for doing a good job there, particularly in direct comparison to previous Canucks GM's. "Have to this, & have to that"...I don't know? Personally find such language suggestive of a highly-regimented, somewhat militaristic approach. First, I like to remember this is(mostly) entertainment, for the viewing public's enjoyment. Different markets seem to derive pleasure from watching diff types of players. Of course, everyone wants to win(doesn't need to be stated). Unfortunately, many great teams will not go all the way, especially where there will be 31 competitors. Drafting has been such a thorn(historically) in Van's butt, it's a pleasure for me to finally see a GM who's got a Toyota assembly line consistently turning out quality product. Maybe it's more of an inexact art, as opposed to precise science, after all? Don't know? I don't make/design the widgets. Just simply a (currently) satisfied, end-consumer. I like the current product, & think it'll only improve over the coming yrs. Now, hopefully they'll lock it in affordably! Edited June 2, 2021 by Nuxfanabroad typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Hmm, you might be distracted by the 21st C, or incredibly busy in your day to day? I'd historically compared his fine('14-19) run of drafting with the 1970's work of the legendary Bill Torrey. Of course time is required to play these things out. But I most certainly put it out there. oh, I thought you were just piling on the Leafs. 72-81 Isles 72 draft 5 players - 3 over 700 games + Canucks Henning and Brodeur 73 draft 4 player, 2 over 100 games + 2 over 500-- Denis Potvin 74 draft 4 4 players inc Trottier + Gillies 75 Pat Price 76 Ken Morrow + 2 I can't recall (but still played 200 games each) 77 Bossy + Tonnelli 78 Tambellini (another Cancuk)----------------------this is where Jim is now 79 Dwayne Sutter +Carrol+Jonsson Rollie the Goalie (canuck) 80 Brent Sutter +Hrudey + Gilbert 81 G Dineen + Boutillier I don't see a Trottier, Potvin, Gillies, Tonelli, Howatt or Morrow It might be a stretch to compare those guys with Petey, Quinner, Jake boy, Lind, Gadj , Jack but hey we just traded Adam Tambellini and we still have Brock Bossy and with any luck Demko, Mikey, Svilovs are better than Hrudy, Brodeur and Melanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, lmm said: oh, I thought you were just piling on the Leafs. No, I was contrasting what I feel is their misguided manoeuvres/strategies(which the lamestream media portrayed as ambrosia), with our GM's gradual, patient approach. Feeling their dramatic implosion further reinforces we oughta' keep sailing our chosen course. It's good their overpaid prima-donnas served bagels, just as 2 of our key young stars must sit down to talk numbers. & next I appreciate you've taken time to highlight B Torrey's fine work. Pls feel free to transfer all that over to(JB in Historical Context) should you feel like contributing over there. A good day! :^) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just sat down at a bar downtown Vancouver to see this beside me. Can't get enough! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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