Why we are never in the conversation for big name trades in the Benning era?

[alt kilgore]

16 minutes ago, Butters Stoch said:

I'm pretty anti-Benning but I'm with him on avoiding Seth Jones. Targeting big name guys on the market who have an insane asking price is NOT the way to do it. 

Who told you that Benning is avoiding Seth Jones?  If Seth doesn't end up here it won't be because Jim didn't try.  He tried to get OEL last year. He still wants to make a big splash on defence, and never has been shy about dipping into the last of our prospects and picks to even get third liners.

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

1 hour ago, lmm said:

hahahah

no dice man

I already know that htere are more of you than there are of me.

If only we could ask for a rep count on bags you could see how often the faithful disagree with me

 

So here is the new game

below are 6 statements

some I agree with slome I don't 

can you and your legion of fans tell which is which

 

Traded Kesler- good because it was decisive, got good, (not great) value

Signed Vanek to a one year deal- good because he then traded him for asset - Motte

Signed Ericksson to 6X6 - good because you have to offer term when enticing quality veterans

Traded Bonino - good because we needed a foundational top 6 center to take pressure off the young uns

Traded Kassian - good because The Canucks did everything they could for him, and he is/was a headcase

Let Markstrom walk - good because he wanted too much money and term

 

good luck

 

Ooh, I like games! 

 

I know this post isn’t for me, but is it okay if I give the game a shot anyway?

 

(I’m gonna go ahead and assume the answer is yes. )

 

First two (Kesler, Vanek), and the last one (Markstrom) are statements you agree with. Numbers 3,4,5 (Eriksson, Bonino, Kassian) are the ones you don’t agree with.

[fanfor42]

On 7/5/2021 at 9:14 AM, Canuckfanforlife82 said:

It’s a little frustrating to see where this franchise is at and all the pieces it is still missing and then realize we don’t have the assets to make impact trades. This franchise should at least have assets to make deals for players like a Seth Jones, yet this team isn’t even mentioned. That happens at every free agency and trade deadline. It’s just another example of how this franchise has not been set up to get better or to improve. There is very little in the prospect cupboard as of right now which is alarming at this point. It would just be nice to at least be in that conversation. Hearing Schmidt wants out just goes to show there is something wrong with this organization.

It is amazing to me that people still think it is okay to just bitch and complain after the endless complaining we have all had to endure.  Haven't we all had enough negativity from this fan base? Get on board with supporting the team and stop the endless whining and complaining ffs. 

 

 

[knucklehead91]

28 minutes ago, lmm said:

hahahah

no dice man

I already know that htere are more of you than there are of me.

If only we could ask for a rep count on bags you could see how often the faithful disagree with me

 

So here is the new game

below are 6 statements

some I agree with slome I don't 

can you and your legion of fans tell which is which

 

Traded Kesler- good because it was decisive, got good, (not great) value

Signed Vanek to a one year deal- good because he then traded him for asset - Motte

Signed Ericksson to 6X6 - good because you have to offer term when enticing quality veterans

Traded Bonino - good because we needed a foundational top 6 center to take pressure off the young uns

Traded Kassian - good because The Canucks did everything they could for him, and he is/was a headcase

Let Markstrom walk - good because he wanted too much money and term

 

good luck

 

Hahahaha so you ARE the guy who knocks the pieces off board. 
 

 

[knucklehead91]

2 hours ago, lmm said:

hahahah

no dice man

I already know that htere are more of you than there are of me.

If only we could ask for a rep count on bags you could see how often the faithful disagree with me

 

So here is the new game

below are 6 statements

some I agree with slome I don't 

can you and your legion of fans tell which is which

 

Traded Kesler- good because it was decisive, got good, (not great) value

Signed Vanek to a one year deal- good because he then traded him for asset - Motte

Signed Ericksson to 6X6 - good because you have to offer term when enticing quality veterans

Traded Bonino - good because we needed a foundational top 6 center to take pressure off the young uns

Traded Kassian - good because The Canucks did everything they could for him, and he is/was a headcase

Let Markstrom walk - good because he wanted too much money and term

 

good luck

 

Im gunna guess…. You agree with Kesler, Vanek, Kassian and Markstrom

[lmm]

2 hours ago, fanfor42 said:

It is amazing to me that people still think it is okay to just bitch and complain after the endless complaining we have all had to endure.  Haven't we all had enough negativity from this fan base? Get on board with supporting the team and stop the endless whining and complaining ffs. 

 

 

So you think we would be better human beings if we just pretended we like the direction of ownership/management/coaching so that you feel the world is rosy?

I cannot speaek for anyone but myself,

but when the Ericksson deal was announced I graned

when Green was extended I groaned

when Baumer and Brown were extended last year I groaned

when Jim said he "ran ot of time " on Toffoli and Tanev I thought 'what an incompetant'

 

And you think I should just jump on board and go against my gut and sing Happy Happy Joy Joy

Well, here goes

 

Happy happy Joy Joy

Jim is great

he's our Boy

He Hired green 

and ain't that keen

happy Happy Joy

One more year of Lucky Lou

I hear tha Beagle's coming back too

Whoop de dee and whoop de doo

Its a great time 

for me and you!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!

!!!! 

Edited July 7, 2021 by lmm

[knucklehead91]

40 minutes ago, lmm said:

So you think we would be better human beings if we just pretended we like the direction of ownership/management/coaching so that you feel the world is rosy?

I cannot speaek for anyone but myself,

but when the Ericksson deal was announced I growned

when Green was extended I growned

when Baumer and Brown were extended last year I growned

when Jim said he "ran ot of time " on Toffoli and Tanev I thought 'what an incompetant'

 

And you think I should just jump on board and go against my gut and sing Happy Happy Joy Joy

Well, here goes

 

Happy happy Joy Joy

Jim is great

he's our Boy

He Hired green 

and ain't that keen

happy Happy Joy

One more year of Lucky Lou

I hear tha Beagle's coming back too

Whoop de dee and whoop de doo

Its a great time 

for me and you!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!

!!!! 

Welll… Im glad you are finally growned up from all these things. But I think you mean grown not growned.

 1 : fully grown : mature grown men and women. 2 : covered or surrounded with vegetation land well grown with trees. 3a : cultivated or produced in a specified way or locality —used in combination shade-grown tobacco. b : overgrown with —used in combination a weed-grown patio.

 

If you don’t like the direction the team is headed, you can always go cheer for Toronto? I hear they are a real gud team.

 

I could make a lot of sense for you, but that seems like a lot of work. I can literally argue any and every single point and make sense of it. Unfortunately not every move that a team makes, pans out. If a move is made with thought and has legitimate sense as to why you might make this trade or sign that guy or hire this person. You can at least see and understand the reasoning behind it, if it fails then it was at least a good try, just it unfortunately did not pan out for whatever reason. It would be fair to criticize if there was no forethought and zero logical reasoning as to why such a move was made. 
 

Tell me why Loui Eriksson was a bad signing

Tell my why Green is a bad extension

Tell me why we should have signed Toffoli

Tell me why we DIDNT re-sign Toffoli or Tanev.

 

 

So seeing how you dislike Green, out of curiousity, what was your thought on Toronto making Sheldon Keefe their head coach?

 

 

 

[lmm]

17 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

Welll… Im glad you are finally growned up from all these things. But I think you mean grown not growned.

 1 : fully grown : mature grown men and women. 2 : covered or surrounded with vegetation land well grown with trees. 3a : cultivated or produced in a specified way or locality —used in combination shade-grown tobacco. b : overgrown with —used in combination a weed-grown patio.

 

If you don’t like the direction the team is headed, you can always go cheer for Toronto? I hear they are a real gud team.

 

I could make a lot of sense for you, but that seems like a lot of work. I can literally argue any and every single point and make sense of it. Unfortunately not every move that a team makes, pans out. If a move is made with thought and has legitimate sense as to why you might make this trade or sign that guy or hire this person. You can at least see and understand the reasoning behind it, if it fails then it was at least a good try, just it unfortunately did not pan out for whatever reason. It would be fair to criticize if there was no forethought and zero logical reasoning as to why such a move was made. 
 

Tell me why Loui Eriksson was a bad signing

Tell my why Green is a bad extension

Tell me why we should have signed Toffoli

Tell me why we DIDNT re-sign Toffoli or Tanev.

 

 

So seeing how you dislike Green, out of curiousity, what was your thought on Toronto making Sheldon Keefe their head coach?

 

 

 

haha yur funny

I fixed my speeling astake but theses aare on porpoise

 

while you are lterally making sense of every point 

please explain why I would jump ship to Toronto?

It would be so much more pleasing to cheer for Tampa

 

as for the rest of your arguement

I'll have to quote our once famous coach Wonkie Willie  and say, "This isn't a try league, its a do league"

and go right back to where I started with you.

It must be nice to be Jimmer with fans like you who always find a way to defend his failures

[lmm]

2 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Ooh, I like games! 

 

I know this post isn’t for me, but is it okay if I give the game a shot anyway?

 

(I’m gonna go ahead and assume the answer is yes. )

 

First two (Kesler, Vanek), and the last one (Markstrom) are statements you agree with. Numbers 3,4,5 (Eriksson, Bonino, Kassian) are the ones you don’t agree with.

Bingo

can you explain to Knuckle what I don't like about the Kassian trade?

[knucklehead91]

4 minutes ago, lmm said:

haha yur funny

I fixed my speeling astake but theses aare on porpoise

 

while you are lterally making sense of every point 

please explain why I would jump ship to Toronto?

It would be so much more pleasing to cheer for Tampa

 

as for the rest of your arguement

I'll have to quote our once famous coach Wonkie Willie  and say, "This isn't a try league, its a do league"

and go right back to where I started with you.

It must be nice to be Jimmer with fans like you who always find a way to defend his failures

You should jump ship to Toronto because they’re a real gud team. Then in a few years of being a Toronto fan, you’ll see just how good we have it over here. Aaaand us Canuck fans dont want you nor need anyone like you in our fanbase? There 3 good reasons
 

Hows about you answer some of my questions? 
 

The fact that I can argue each and every single complaint you have, shows how shallow your logic/understanding is. You have no depth to your complaints. All they are, are complaints without good reason.

 

Eriksson? 
Green?

Toffoli and Tanman not being re-signed?

Hows your boy Dubas for a GM?

 

14 minutes ago, lmm said:

haha yur funny

I fixed my speeling astake but theses aare on porpoise

 

 

as for the rest of your arguement

I'll have to quote our once famous coach Wonkie Willie  and say, "This isn't a try league, its a do league"

and go right back to where I started with you.

It must be nice to be Jimmer with fans like you who always find a way to defend his failures

Lol quitting so soon?

[lmm]

7 hours ago, lmm said:

What does amaze me is teh extent some of you "TRUE FANS" will go to make excuses for the poor job El Jimmer has done

what does not amaze me is that this team still sucks, what with some many of you making one excuse after another, why should anyone be bothered to actually make the team better.

 

Here is one of those teams you said Jimmer assembled in order to take another run at the Cup

btw not the first and not the last of the Sedin's Last Stand

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000392017.html

 

is that a Cup contender in your eyes?

 

The Sedins were done after 2012, that is six years when they did nothing but pad their personal stats and teach the new core how to lose gracefully

 

2020-21 is not a normal year, but it shows hwich GMs are ready to take a bad situation and win dispite the troubles other GMs (and fanbases , appearently) have negotiating the "NOT NORMAL" year.

2018 was not a normal year 

2013 was not normal

2006 was not normal

1995 was not normal

1968 was not normal

the war years were not normal

Teams won cups during those "not normal" years

 but you and many other "TRue Fans" are willing to wait for another "normal" year in hopes Normal means Canuckle Magic

 

Go play in Vancouver they said, where the media is harsh, but the fans will fall over themselves to excuse poor performance

cuz way back here I asked you a question that you chose not to answer.

at that point I feel no obligation to answer you questions

you start

5 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

You should jump ship to Toronto because they’re a real gud team. Then in a few years of being a Toronto fan, you’ll see just how good we have it over here. Aaaand us Canuck fans dont want you nor need anyone like you in our fanbase? There 3 good reasons
 

Hows about you answer some of my questions? 
 

The fact that I can argue each and every single complaint you have, shows how shallow your logic/understanding is. You have no depth to your complaints. All they are, are complaints without good reason.

 

Eriksson? 
Green?

Toffoli and Tanman not being re-signed?

Hows your boy Dubas for a GM?

 

Lol quitting so soon?

 

[knucklehead91]

17 minutes ago, lmm said:

cuz way back here I asked you a question that you chose not to answer.

at that point I feel no obligation to answer you questions

you start

 

 

7 hours ago, lmm said:

What does amaze me is teh extent some of you "TRUE FANS" will go to make excuses for the poor job El Jimmer has done

what does not amaze me is that this team still sucks, what with some many of you making one excuse after another, why should anyone be bothered to actually make the team better.

 

Here is one of those teams you said Jimmer assembled in order to take another run at the Cup

btw not the first and not the last of the Sedin's Last Stand

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000392017.html

 

is that a Cup contender in your eyes?

 

The Sedins were done after 2012, that is six years when they did nothing but pad their personal stats and teach the new core how to lose gracefully

 

2020-21 is not a normal year, but it shows hwich GMs are ready to take a bad situation and win dispite the troubles other GMs (and fanbases , appearently) have negotiating the "NOT NORMAL" year.

2018 was not a normal year 

2013 was not normal

2006 was not normal

1995 was not normal

1968 was not normal

the war years were not normal

Teams won cups during those "not normal" years

 but you and many other "TRue Fans" are willing to wait for another "normal" year in hopes Normal means Canuckle Magic

 

Go play in Vancouver they said, where the media is harsh, but the fans will fall over themselves to excuse poor performance

okay, soooo like what part of mr NMC-Gillis pretty much failing entirely at drafting and having zero prospects in the pipeline do you not understand.....?

 

Gillis had 1 legitimate prospect out of all his drafting..... Bo Horvat

2013 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2013 Entry	9	1	Bo Horvat	C	London Knights [OHL]	502	139	175	314	148
2013 Entry	24	1	Hunter Shinkaruk	L	Medicine Hat Tigers [WHL]	15	2	2	4	4
2013 Entry	85	3	Cole Cassels	C	Oshawa Generals [OHL]
2013 Entry	115	4	Jordan Subban	D	Belleville Bulls [OHL]
2013 Entry	145	5	Anton Cederholm	D	Rogle Jrs. (Sweden)
2013 Entry	175	6	Mike Williamson	D	Spruce Grove Saints [AJHL]
2013 Entry	205	7	Miles Liberati	D	London Knights [OHL]
2012 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2012 Entry	26	1	Brendan Gaunce	C	Belleville Bulls [OHL]	118	6	10	16	47
2012 Entry	57	2	Alexandre Mallet	C	Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL]
2012 Entry	147	5	Ben Hutton	D	Nepean Raiders [CCHL]	379	16	75	91	136
2012 Entry	177	6	Wesley Myron	F	Victoria Grizzlies [BCHL]
2012 Entry	207	7	Matthew Beattie	R	Exeter [N.H. H.S.]
2011 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2011 Entry	29	1	Nicklas Jensen	R	Oshawa Generals [OHL]	31	3	3	6	10
2011 Entry	71	3	David Honzik	G	Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL]
2011 Entry	90	3	Alexandre Grenier	R	Quebec Remparts [QMJHL]	9	0	0	0	2
2011 Entry	101	4	Joseph LaBate	L	Holy Angels Academy (Minn.)	13	0	0	0	21
2011 Entry	120	4	Ludwig Blomstrand	L	Djurgarden Jrs. (Sweden)
2011 Entry	150	5	Frankie Corrado	D	Sudbury Wolves [OHL]	76	3	5	8	40
2011 Entry	180	6	Pathrik Westerholm	L	Malmo Redhawks [Swe-1]
2011 Entry	210	7	Henrik Tommernes	D	Frolunda HC [SEL]
2010 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2010 Entry	115	4	Patrick McNally	D	Milton Academy [Mass.]
2010 Entry	145	5	Adam Polasek	D	Prince Edward Island Rocket [QMJHL]
2010 Entry	172	6	Alex Friesen	C	Niagara IceDogs [OHL]	1	0	0	0	0
2010 Entry	175	6	Jonathan Iilahti	G	Blues Jrs (Finland)
2010 Entry	205	7	Sawyer Hannay	D	Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL]
2009 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2009 Entry	22	1	Jordan Schroeder	L	U. of Minnesota [WCHA]	165	18	24	42	14
2009 Entry	53	2	Anton Rodin	R	Brynas Jrs. (Sweden)	3	0	1	1	0
2009 Entry	83	3	Kevin Connauton	D	Western Michigan University [CCHA]	321	27	50	77	184
2009 Entry	113	4	Jeremy Price	D	Nepean Raiders [CJHL]
2009 Entry	143	5	Peter Andersson	D	Frolunda Jrs. (Sweden)
2009 Entry	173	6	Joe Cannata	G	Merrimack College [H-East]
2009 Entry	187	7	Steven Anthony	L	Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]
2008 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2008 Entry	10	1	Cody Hodgson	C	Brampton Battalion [OHL]	328	64	78	142	68
2008 Entry	41	2	Yann Sauve	D	Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL]	8	0	0	0	0
2008 Entry	131	5	Prabh Rai	C	Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL]
2008 Entry	161	6	Mats Josten-Froshaug	C	Linkoping Jr. [Sweden]
2008 Entry	191	7	Morgan Clark	G	Red Deer Rebels [WHL]

 

 

GEE THANKS GILLIS FOR DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB OF DRAFTING, BENNING SUUUUURE CAN USE THOSE PROSPECTS TO HIS ADVANTAGE. AND THANKS FOR ALL THE NMC'S WE ARE SO GLAD THESE GUYS DONT EVER WANT TO LEAVE AND HAVE THE CHOICE OF EXACTLY WHERE THEY WANT TO GO!!! YAYYYYY

 

 

LOOOOOOOOOOL PSYCHE!!!

 

How do you assemble a f***ing cup winning team without any actual assets to move to get great value in return? Jim Benning went bargain shopping he searched for the best value he could get with the pile of wet dogsh*t that Gillis left behind.

 

Tell me HOW.....HOW is a GM with zero prospects, a bunch of deadweight, declining and completely aged core, supposed to get excellent value in any trade or signing?

 

i'll do it again, this time for you

owners want revenue

revenue = playoffs

playoffs = 2014-15

2014-15 = hope

hope = held onto

held onto = too long

too long = sedins retired

sedins retired = rebuild

rebuild = cant hide

cant hide = ownership must accept

ownership must accept = support

support = Benning in charge

Benning in charge = shot caller

shot caller = sees the plan

sees the plan = noticed good young core

good young core = add a guy

add a guy = JT Miller

JT Miller = playoff hopes once again

Playoff hopes = add more

add more = Toffoli

Toffoli = playoffs

playoffs = happy fans

happy fans = yay

yay = revenue

revenue = happy owners

Happy owners = more support

more support = buyouts

buyouts = bye bye LE

bye bye LE = Yay

Yay = playoff revenue

playoff revenue = playoffs

playoffs = happy fans and happy owner

happy fans and happy owner = yay again

 

 

happy now?

 

 

Oh... as for the Sedins being "done" in 2012... did you mean this 2012?

33	Henrik Sedin	C	82	14	67	81	52	23	5	2	3	5	4	Sweden: Ornskoldsvik	30
22	Daniel Sedin	L	72	30	37	67	40	14	2	0	2	2	0	Sweden: Ornskoldsvik	30

 

Henrik 8th in league scoring

Daniel 29th 

 

Fun fact

2011-2012 Loui Eriksson 

20th in league scoring..

 

Or was it this 2012?

33	Henrik Sedin	C	48	11	34	45	24	19	4	0	3	3	4	Sweden: Ornskoldsvik	31
22	Daniel Sedin	L	47	12	28	40	18	12	4	0	3	3	14	Sweden: Ornskoldsvik	31

 

Henrik 20th in league scoring

Daniel 31st

 

Or was it this 2012?

22	Daniel Sedin	L	82	20	56	76	18	5	6	2	2	4	0	Sweden: Ornskoldsvik	33
33	Henrik Sedin	C	82	18	55	73	22	11	6	1	3	4	2	Sweden: Ornskoldsvik	33

 

Daniel 9th in league scoring

Henrik 10th

 

 

Im really confused as to which 2012 it was that they were done.... I coulda sworn it was 2018 they retired??

	Totals			186	316	502	803
22	Daniel Sedin	L	82	28	33	61	36	7	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Ornskoldsvik	34
33	Henrik Sedin	C	74	11	44	55	24	0	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Ornskoldsvik	34
53	Bo Horvat	C	82	16	24	40	18	-30	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: London	20
36	Jannik Hansen	R	67	22	16	38	32	16	--	--	--	--	--	Denmark: Rodovre	29
47	Sven Baertschi	L	69	15	13	28	14	-14	--	--	--	--	--	Switzerland: Bern	22
17	Radim Vrbata	R	63	13	14	27	12	-30	--	--	--	--	--	Czech Rep.: Mlada Boleslav	34
27	Ben Hutton	D	75	1	24	25	14	-21	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Brockville	22
14	Alexandre Burrows	R	79	9	13	22	49	-13	--	--	--	--	--	PQ: Pincourt	34
23	Alexander Edler	D	52	6	14	20	46	-8	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Ostersund	29
91	Jared McCann	C	69	9	9	18	32	-6	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Stratford	19
44	Matt Bartkowski	D	80	6	12	18	50	-19	--	--	--	--	--	PA: Pittsburgh	27
8	Christopher Tanev	D	69	4	14	18	8	-8	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Toronto	25
15	Derek Dorsett	R	71	5	11	16	177	-13	--	--	--	--	--	SASK: Kindersley	28
7	Linden Vey	R	41	4	11	15	6	-14	--	--	--	--	--	SASK: Wakaw	24
18	Jake Virtanen	R	55	7	6	13	45	-7	--	--	--	--	--	BC: Langley	19
2	Dan Hamhuis	D	58	3	10	13	28	-2	--	--	--	--	--	BC: Smithers	32
26	Emerson Etem 1	R	39	7	5	12	9	-8	--	--	--	--	--	CA: Long Beach	23
24	Adam Cracknell 2	R	44	5	5	10	14	1	--	--	--	--	--	SASK: Prince Albert	30
21	Brandon Sutter	C	20	5	4	9	2	3	--	--	--	--	--	NY: Huntington	26
5	Luca Sbisa	D	41	2	6	8	26	5	--	--	--	--	--	Italy: Ozieri	25
9	Brandon Prust	L	35	1	6	7	59	-3	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: London	31
6	Yannick Weber	D	45	0	7	7	24	-17	--	--	--	--	--	Switzerland: Morges	26
55	Alex Biega	D	51	0	7	7	22	-11	--	--	--	--	--	PQ: Montreal	27
20	Chris Higgins	L	33	3	1	4	4	-14	--	--	--	--	--	NY: Smithtown	32
60	Markus Granlund 3	C	16	2	1	3	6	-3	--	--	--	--	--	Finland: Oulu	22
88	Nikita Tryamkin	D	13	1	1	2	10	-3	--	--	--	--	--	Russia: Yekaterinburg	21
25	Jacob Markstrom	G	33	0	2	2	4	0	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Gavle	25
50	Brendan Gaunce	C	20	1	0	1	2	-9	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Sudbury	21
58	Taylor Fedun	D	1	0	1	1	0	1	--	--	--	--	--	ALTA: Edmonton	27
40	Mike Zalewski	L	3	0	1	1	2	1	--	--	--	--	--	NY: New Hartford	23
30	Ryan Miller	G	51	0	1	1	2	0	--	--	--	--	--	MI: East Lansing	35
48	Hunter Shinkaruk 4	L	1	0	0	0	0	0	--	--	--	--	--	ALTA: Calgary	20
32	Richard Bachman	G	1	0	0	0	0	0	--	--	--	--	--	UT: Salt Lake City	28
56	Alex Friesen	C	1	0	0	0	0	-2	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: St.Catharines	24
65	Alexandre Grenier	R	6	0	0	0	2	-4	--	--	--	--	--	PQ: Laval	23
41	Ronalds Kenins	L	8	0	0	0	6	-1	--	--	--	--	--	Latvia: Riga	24
29	Andrey Pedan	D	13	0	0	0	18	-3	--	--	--	--	--	Lithuania: Kaunas	22

 

Hmm weird... Looks to me like in 2015-16 they were still the teams top 2 scorers

 

WAIT I FOUND IT

53	Bo Horvat	C	81	20	32	52	27	-7	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: London	21
33	Henrik Sedin	C	82	15	35	50	28	-27	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Ornskoldsvik	35
22	Daniel Sedin	L	82	15	29	44	32	-16	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Ornskoldsvik	35
47	Sven Baertschi	L	68	18	17	35	8	-6	--	--	--	--	--	Switzerland: Bern	23
20 21	Brandon Sutter	C	81	17	17	34	12	-20	--	--	--	--	--	NY: Huntington	27
60	Markus Granlund	C	69	19	13	32	14	-19	--	--	--	--	--	Finland: Oulu	23
21	Loui Eriksson	L	65	11	13	24	8	-9	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Gothenburg	31
51	Troy Stecher	D	71	3	21	24	25	-16	--	--	--	--	--	BC: Richmond	22
23	Alexander Edler	D	68	6	15	21	36	-20	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Ostersund	30
14	Alexandre Burrows 1	R	55	9	11	20	53	-3	--	--	--	--	--	PQ: Pincourt	35
27	Ben Hutton	D	71	5	14	19	31	-22	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Brockville	23
36	Jannik Hansen 2	R	28	6	7	13	27	2	--	--	--	--	--	Denmark: Rodovre	30
5	Luca Sbisa	D	82	2	11	13	40	-1	--	--	--	--	--	Italy: Ozieri	26
8	Christopher Tanev	D	53	2	8	10	14	3	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Toronto	26
8 9	Jack Skille	R	55	5	4	9	12	0	--	--	--	--	--	WI: Madison	29
39 45	Michael Chaput	C	68	4	5	9	29	-12	--	--	--	--	--	PQ: Ile-Bizard	24
88	Nikita Tryamkin	D	66	2	7	9	64	-7	--	--	--	--	--	Russia: Yekaterinburg	22
46	Jayson Megna	C	58	4	4	8	6	-4	--	--	--	--	--	FL: Fort Lauderdale	26
15 24	Reid Boucher 3	L	27	5	2	7	6	-7	--	--	--	--	--	MI: Grand Ledge	22
63	Philip Larsen	D	26	1	5	6	4	-8	--	--	--	--	--	Denmark: Esbjerg	26
44	Erik Gudbranson	D	30	1	5	6	18	-14	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Ottawa	24
6	Brock Boeser	R	9	4	1	5	0	0	--	--	--	--	--	MN: Burnsville	19
50	Brendan Gaunce	C	57	0	5	5	33	-2	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Sudbury	22
15	Derek Dorsett	R	14	1	3	4	33	-6	--	--	--	--	--	SASK: Kindersley	29
82	Nikolay Goldobin 4	R	12	3	0	3	0	1	--	--	--	--	--	Russia: Moscow	20
55	Alex Biega	D	36	0	3	3	18	-4	--	--	--	--	--	PQ: Montreal	28
42	Drew Shore	C	14	0	2	2	4	-3	--	--	--	--	--	CO: Denver	25
17	Anton Rodin	R	3	0	1	1	0	1	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Stockholm	25
18	Jake Virtanen	R	10	0	1	1	2	1	--	--	--	--	--	BC: Langley	20
30	Ryan Miller	G	54	0	1	1	22	0	--	--	--	--	--	MI: East Lansing	36
71	Borna Rendulic	R	1	0	0	0	0	0	--	--	--	--	--	Croatia: Zagreb	24
61	Evan McEneny	D	1	0	0	0	0	-1	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Hamilton	22
40	Mike Zalewski	L	1	0	0	0	0	-1	--	--	--	--	--	NY: New Hartford	24
65	Alexandre Grenier	R	3	0	0	0	0	-1	--	--	--	--	--	PQ: Laval	24
32	Richard Bachman	G	5	0	0	0	0	0	--	--	--	--	--	UT: Salt Lake City	29
13	Griffen Molino	F	5	0	0	0	0	-2	--	--	--	--	--	MI: Trenton	22
26 74	Joseph Cramarossa 5	C	10	0	0	0	9	-1	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Toronto	23
62	Joseph LaBate	L	13	0	0	0	21	-2	--	--	--	--	--	MN: Eagan	23
25	Jacob Markstrom	G	26	0	0	0	2	0	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Gavle	26

 

 

There's the year you are talking about!! The one with all of Mike Gillis's great draft pick!!!!...... Get it... Draft pick, not picks, because Gillis couldnt draft to save his life.

 

Jeez they only finished 2nd and 3rd in team scoring?? Maybe it was actually this 2012 year? Not the 2012 year they won the Presidents Trophy like in 2011-12 but this 2012 season

6	Brock Boeser	R	62	29	26	55	16	-5	--	--	--	--	--	MN: Burnsville	20
22	Daniel Sedin	L	81	23	32	55	40	-21	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Ornskoldsvik	36
33	Henrik Sedin	C	82	3	47	50	30	-22	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Ornskoldsvik	36
53	Bo Horvat	C	64	22	22	44	10	-1						ONT: London	22
26	Thomas Vanek 1	L	61	17	24	41	28	-12	--	--	--	--	--	Austria: Vienna	33
23	Alexander Edler	D	70	6	28	34	68	-18	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Ostersund	31
89	Sam Gagner	C	74	10	21	31	35	-18	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: London	28
47	Sven Baertschi	L	53	14	15	29	20	3	--	--	--	--	--	Switzerland: Bern	24
20	Brandon Sutter	C	61	11	15	26	8	8	--	--	--	--	--	NY: Huntington	28
21	Loui Eriksson	L	50	10	13	23	4	0	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Gothenburg	32
4	Michael Del Zotto	D	82	6	16	22	48	-8						ONT: Stouffville	27
5	Derrick Pouliot	D	71	3	19	22	39	-22	--	--	--	--	--	SASK: Estevan	23
18	Jake Virtanen	R	75	10	10	20	46	-11	--	--	--	--	--	BC: Langley	21
77	Nikolay Goldobin	R	38	8	6	14	6	-14	--	--	--	--	--	Russia: Moscow	21
60	Markus Granlund	C	53	8	4	12	8	-10	--	--	--	--	--	Finland: Oulu	24
8	Christopher Tanev	D	42	2	9	11	8	7	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Toronto	27
51	Troy Stecher	D	68	1	10	11	35	-7						BC: Richmond	23
36	Jussi Jokinen 2	L	14	4	6	10	2	7	--	--	--	--	--	Finland: Kalajoki	34
15	Derek Dorsett	R	20	7	2	9	74	-1	--	--	--	--	--	SASK: Kindersley	30
49	Darren Archibald	R	27	4	5	9	14	-1	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Newmarket	27
9	Brendan Leipsic 3	L	14	3	6	9	10	-3	--	--	--	--	--	MAN: Winnipeg	23
55	Alex Biega	D	44	1	8	9	32	3						PQ: Montreal	29
50	Brendan Gaunce	C	37	4	2	6	10	0						ONT: Sudbury	23
42	Alexander Burmistrov	C	24	2	4	6	12	-5	--	--	--	--	--	Russia: Kazan	25
27	Ben Hutton	D	61	0	6	6	23	-9	--	--	--	--	--	ONT: Brockville	24
24	Reid Boucher	L	20	3	2	5	0	-12	--	--	--	--	--	MI: Grand Ledge	23
44	Erik Gudbranson	D	52	2	3	5	35	-7						ONT: Ottawa	25
17	Nic Dowd 4	C	40	3	0	3	16	-7						AL: Huntsville	27
25	Jacob Markstrom	G	60	0	3	3	4	0	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Gavle	27
64	Tyler Motte 2	C	15	2	0	2	4	-1						MI: St. Clair	22
59	Ashton Sautner	D	5	0	2	2	2	4	--	--	--	--	--	MAN: Flin Flon	23
31	Anders Nilsson	G	27	0	1	1	0	0	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Lulea	27
29	Philip Holm	D	1	0	0	0	0	-2	--	--	--	--	--	Sweden: Stockholm	25
35	Thatcher Demko	G	1	0	0	0	0	0	--	--	--	--	--	CA: San Diego	21
7	Jayson Megna	C	1	0	0	0	0	0	--	--	--	--	--	FL: Fort Lauderdale	27
88	Adam Gaudette	C	5	0	0	0	0	2	--	--	--	--	--	MA: Braintree	20
45	Michael Chaput	C	9	0	0	0	5	-4						PQ: Ile-Bizard	25

 

hmm.... Thats really disappointing... Daniel only tied Boeser for 1st and Henrik was behind them....

 

WEIRD.... They really were washed up

 

NHL Possession Metrics

Henrik Sedin

 

						Corsi (All)				Fenwick (All)				PDO (All)					Zone Starts (All)
Season	Age	Team	Lg	GP	TOI	CF	CA	CF%	CF% rel	FF	FA	FF%	FF% rel	oiGF	oiSH%	oiGA	oiSV%	PDO	oZS%	dZS%
Career			NHL	848	16034.8	17959	11550	60.9	15.3	13426	9030	59.8	14.4	1026	10.6	590	91.2	101.8	68.7	31.
2007-08	27	VAN	NHL	82	1596.9	1679	1111	60.2	14.9	1308	858	60.4	14.3	104	11.0	56	90.7	101.7	59.9	40.1
2008-09	28	VAN	NHL	82	1583.6	1786	1162	60.6	15.8	1351	923	59.4	14.5	107	11.0	53	92.3	103.3	59.2	40.8
2009-10	29	VAN	NHL	82	1612.6	1867	1209	60.7	13.5	1410	966	59.3	11.8	134	13.6	67	90.7	104.3	63.3	36.7
2010-11	30	VAN	NHL	82	1579.3	1960	1122	63.6	16.2	1453	886	62.1	15.1	132	12.5	52	92.0	104.5	77.2	22.8
2011-12	31	VAN	NHL	82	1565.2	1980	1027	65.8	17.2	1461	817	64.1	16.3	108	10.5	46	92.7	103.2	84.6	15.4
2012-13	32	VAN	NHL	48	928.7	1075	548	66.2	20.2	776	432	64.2	19.4	57	10.5	23	93.3	103.8	70.3	29.7
2013-14	33	VAN	NHL	70	1447.1	1687	1026	62.2	13.9	1239	773	61.6	12.2	69	7.9	49	91.0	98.9	68.0	32.0
2014-15	34	VAN	NHL	82	1525.1	1604	1125	58.8	13.7	1208	841	59.0	12.8	103	11.6	57	90.2	101.8	61.3	38.7
2015-16	35	VAN	NHL	74	1360.0	1398	1053	57.0	13.5	1061	823	56.3	13.7	73	9.7	48	92.2	101.9	66.3	33.7
2016-17	36	VAN	NHL	82	1561.3	1513	1185	56.1	11.4	1106	940	54.1	10.3	65	8.0	76	89.2	97.3	66.8	33.2
2017-18	37	VAN	NHL	82	1275.0	1410	982	58.9	14.5	1053	771	57.7	13.1	74	9.5	63	88.9	98.4	79.6	20.4

 

 

 

NHL Possession Metrics

 Daniel Sedin

 

						Corsi (All)				Fenwick (All)				PDO (All)					Zone Starts (All)
Season	Age	Team	Lg	GP	TOI	CF	CA	CF%	CF% rel	FF	FA	FF%	FF% rel	oiGF	oiSH%	oiGA	oiSV%	PDO	oZS%	dZS%
Career			NHL	828	15313.2	17303	10734	61.7	16.4	12955	8400	60.7	15.5	969	10.4	527	91.5	101.9	71.3	28.7
2007-08	27	VAN	NHL	82	1558.9	1693	1008	62.7	18.2	1320	766	63.3	18.1	96	10.1	48	91.1	101.3	66.1	33.9
2008-09	28	VAN	NHL	82	1524.1	1736	1056	62.2	17.7	1321	852	60.8	16.2	106	11.1	43	93.2	104.3	65.7	34.3
2009-10	29	VAN	NHL	63	1203.8	1445	869	62.4	16.4	1095	689	61.4	15.4	108	13.8	47	90.7	104.5	70.2	29.8
2010-11	30	VAN	NHL	82	1521.4	1917	1041	64.8	17.6	1414	830	63.0	15.9	130	12.8	44	92.9	105.7	80.7	19.3
2011-12	31	VAN	NHL	72	1354.7	1740	860	66.9	18.5	1279	687	65.1	17.7	92	10.3	41	92.3	102.6	86.0	14.0
2012-13	32	VAN	NHL	47	894.0	1055	509	67.5	22.0	751	402	65.1	20.6	53	10.2	24	92.7	102.8	73.4	26.6
2013-14	33	VAN	NHL	73	1504.2	1749	1041	62.7	13.8	1306	779	62.6	13.7	69	7.4	48	91.2	98.6	68.0	32.0
2014-15	34	VAN	NHL	82	1504.3	1556	1098	58.6	13.3	1178	833	58.6	12.2	97	11.1	57	90.2	101.3	61.8	38.2
2015-16	35	VAN	NHL	82	1503.4	1514	1149	56.9	13.4	1152	910	55.9	13.1	82	9.8	50	92.6	102.4	66.5	33.5
2016-17	36	VAN	NHL	82	1507.6	1487	1159	56.2	11.5	1083	912	54.3	10.6	65	8.3	65	90.7	98.9	67.9	32.1
2017-18	37	VAN	NHL	81	1236.9	1411	944	59.9	15.8	1056	740	58.8	14.6	71	9.2	60	89.1	98.3	79.4	20.6

 

 

 

Those Tables are there entire season 5v5 and 5v4 included into their corsi and fenwick

Heres just the 5v5

 

CF% rel -- Relative Corsi For % at Even Strength
CF% - CFoff%
On-Ice Corsi For % - Off-Ice Corsi For %

 

FF% -- Fenwick For % in All Situations
FF / (FF + FA)
Above 50% means the team was controlling the
puck more often than not with this player on the
ice in this situation.

 

So above 50% Corsi and Fenwick = team possessed the puck more than the opponent when player 'X'

positive CF% rel = Canucks controlled the puck more when player 'X' is on the ice. 

 

NHL Possession Metrics

Daniel Sedin 

 

						Corsi (EV)				Fenwick (EV)				PDO (EV)					Zone Starts (EV)
Season	Age	Team	Lg	GP	TOI	CF	CA	CF%	CF% rel	FF	FA	FF%	FF% rel	oiGF	oiSH%	oiGA	oiSV%	PDO	oZS%	dZS%
Career			NHL	828	12129.1	12028	9845	55.0	7.2	9007	7656	54.1	6.5	601	9.2	474	91.6	100.7	64.0	36.0
2007-08	27	VAN	NHL	82	1167.7	1114	915	54.9	7.6	874	691	55.8	8.4	51	8.2	43	91.1	99.3	57.6	42.4
2008-09	28	VAN	NHL	82	1158.9	1134	961	54.1	7.4	859	776	52.5	5.5	67	10.5	39	93.3	103.7	54.0	46.0
2009-10	29	VAN	NHL	63	955.0	1059	809	56.7	8.8	797	640	55.5	7.7	81	13.9	45	90.4	104.4	62.5	37.5
2010-11	30	VAN	NHL	82	1212.1	1278	984	56.5	4.8	951	778	55.0	2.9	74	10.7	42	92.8	103.5	74.1	25.9
2011-12	31	VAN	NHL	72	1096.6	1206	811	59.8	8.6	885	645	57.8	8.2	55	8.7	38	92.3	101.0	80.8	19.2
2012-13	32	VAN	NHL	47	718.0	773	479	61.7	14.1	555	374	59.7	12.9	35	8.9	21	93.0	101.9	66.1	33.9
2013-14	33	VAN	NHL	73	1175.4	1213	907	57.2	7.0	902	674	57.2	7.0	43	6.7	40	91.6	98.3	61.0	39.0
2014-15	34	VAN	NHL	82	1187.3	1099	985	52.7	4.9	832	740	52.9	4.0	58	9.3	52	89.8	99.0	54.3	45.7
2015-16	35	VAN	NHL	82	1198.3	1043	1038	50.1	3.9	793	817	49.3	3.7	53	9.1	43	92.8	101.9	59.9	40.1
2016-17	36	VAN	NHL	82	1259.3	1121	1095	50.6	3.4	812	855	48.7	2.5	46	7.7	58	91.0	98.7	60.9	39.1
2017-18	37	VAN	NHL	81	1000.6	988	861	53.4	7.3	747	666	52.9	6.8	38	6.8	53	89.1	96.0	74.1	25.9

 

 

NHL Possession Metrics

Henrik Sedin 

 

						Corsi (EV)				Fenwick (EV)				PDO (EV)					Zone Starts (EV)
Season	Age	Team	Lg	GP	TOI	CF	CA	CF%	CF% rel	FF	FA	FF%	FF% rel	oiGF	oiSH%	oiGA	oiSV%	PDO	oZS%	dZS%
Career			NHL	848	12670.4	12530	10460	54.5	6.6	9374	8131	53.6	5.7	645	9.5	523	91.2	100.7	62.8	37.2
2007-08	27	VAN	NHL	82	1188.1	1098	989	52.6	4.4	856	756	53.1	4.7	57	9.3	50	90.4	99.7	54.7	45.3
2008-09	28	VAN	NHL	82	1188.3	1181	1009	53.9	7.5	887	805	52.4	5.7	69	10.5	43	92.9	103.4	51.5	48.5
2009-10	29	VAN	NHL	82	1261.5	1363	1077	55.9	7.1	1029	861	54.4	5.4	96	13.2	60	90.7	103.9	58.5	41.5
2010-11	30	VAN	NHL	82	1266.7	1323	1061	55.5	3.6	991	833	54.3	2.3	76	10.4	49	92.0	102.4	71.1	28.9
2011-12	31	VAN	NHL	82	1256.8	1368	977	58.3	7.0	1011	772	56.7	6.5	68	9.3	43	92.7	102.1	79.4	20.6
2012-13	32	VAN	NHL	48	749.6	801	511	61.1	13.2	586	399	59.5	12.7	39	9.4	20	93.7	103.0	64.1	35.9
2013-14	33	VAN	NHL	70	1136.1	1160	897	56.4	6.5	846	675	55.6	4.9	44	7.4	39	91.8	99.2	61.3	38.7
2014-15	34	VAN	NHL	82	1203.1	1146	988	53.7	6.3	865	728	54.3	5.9	64	9.9	52	89.7	99.6	54.2	45.8
2015-16	35	VAN	NHL	74	1081.5	966	931	50.9	4.7	733	720	50.4	5.0	45	8.6	41	92.3	100.9	60.6	39.4
2016-17	36	VAN	NHL	82	1303.8	1140	1118	50.5	3.2	829	882	48.5	2.1	46	7.5	69	89.4	96.9	60.3	39.7
2017-18	37	VAN	NHL	82	1035.1	984	902	52.2	5.6	741	700	51.4	4.8	41	7.3	57	88.8	96.1	74.0	26.0

 

 

1 The Sedin's lacked a decent supporting cast as their careers went on. They had a decent supporting cast in 2014-15 and they had very a successful season, the team was top 10 in the league (8th) and made the post season.

 

2. Even as their careers came winding down to an end they were still the top 2 relied upon guys, meaning..... Gillis's failed drafting let them down later in their careers because no one was there to take over the reigns or help the team win.

 

3. They still possessed the puck quite a lot.

 

4. +CF% rel means when the Sedins were on the ice, Vancouver possessed the puck quite a bit more than when any other combination of players were on the ice.

 

 

5. Once again, the Sedins meant possession. They were far from done. They lacked support.

 

 

Team corsi in 2015-16 was 47.2 Daniel had 50.1 and Henrik had 50.9

Team corsi in 2016-17 was 47.9 Daniel had 50.6 and Henrik had 50.5

Team corsi in 2017-18 was 47.7 Daniel had 53.4 and Henrik had 52.2

 

 

 

 

 

[wai_lai416]

2 hours ago, knucklehead91 said:

 

okay, soooo like what part of mr NMC-Gillis pretty much failing entirely at drafting and having zero prospects in the pipeline do you not understand.....?

 

Gillis had 1 legitimate prospect out of all his drafting..... Bo Horvat

 

how dare Gillis's team finish top 8 in the league every year how dare he only have late 1st round pick every year that most teams in the league would whiff on. how dare he doesn't have any top 6 picks every year to fill the prospect pool. news flash most team that's been sitting near the top of the league standing have pretty bare prospect pools. so what did benning do? whiffs on his 2 top 6 picks traded away mccann for a pylon that he felt the need to re-sign right away. then started tossing away draft picks and prospect and gotten no return out of it.. it's actually pretty pathetic how little top end or or above average prospect we have during benning's tenure so far that's even still with the team considering we have like the 3rd or 5th worse record in the league since benning took over. woo lind rathbone lockwood gadjovich etc are nothing really to get excited about. outside of the 1st round what does benning have to show for? demko and Hoglander.. batting only 60% on top 10 picks not including podz which is tbd. but probably in your eyes all our prospect are gonna be nhl impact player or something. our prospect pool is loaded etc etc etc.

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On 7/5/2021 at 2:50 PM, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

Oh that's why Loui Eriksson hasn't lived up to expectations, I got it now he just needs more time.

 

You laughed at your own joke

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3 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

how dare Gillis's team finish top 8 in the league every year how dare he only have late 1st round pick every year that most teams in the league would whiff on. how dare he doesn't have any top 6 picks every year to fill the prospect pool. news flash most team that's been sitting near the top of the league standing have pretty bare prospect pools. so what did benning do? whiffs on his 2 top 6 picks traded away mccann for a pylon that he felt the need to re-sign right away. then started tossing away draft picks and prospect and gotten no return out of it.. it's actually pretty pathetic how little top end or or above average prospect we have during benning's tenure so far that's even still with the team considering we have like the 3rd or 5th worse record in the league since benning took over. woo lind rathbone lockwood gadjovich etc are nothing really to get excited about. outside of the 1st round what does benning have to show for? demko and Hoglander.. batting only 60% on top 10 picks not including podz which is tbd. but probably in your eyes all our prospect are gonna be nhl impact player or something. our prospect pool is loaded etc etc etc.

Haters going to hate

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12 hours ago, kilgore said:

Who told you that Benning is avoiding Seth Jones?  If Seth doesn't end up here it won't be because Jim didn't try.  He tried to get OEL last year. He still wants to make a big splash on defence, and never has been shy about dipping into the last of our prospects and picks to even get third liners.

Dipping into the last of our prospects?!? 
 

What are you referring to? 

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3 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

 it's actually pretty pathetic how little top end or or above average prospect we have during benning's tenure so far

I can’t keep reading past this and take you seriously. 

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4 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

I can’t keep reading past this and take you seriously. 

Isn’t there summer school in Toronto? 

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12 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Isn’t there summer school in Toronto? 

this feels more like detention. 

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23 hours ago, knucklehead91 said:

So I did a huge write up about the scheduling this season and just how f***ed up Vancouvers scheduling was compared to everyone in the league. I can go back and tag you in it if you want to have a read.

What really f***ed it up for Vancouver was COVID hitting AFTER we got through the toughest part of the schedule and for how long it put us out of the game for.

 

So everyone was talking about Vancouver and how they had to finish the season playing 19 games in 30 days. It was insane… absolutely insane….. however… Vancouver also started the season playing 18 games in 30 days as well. No one at all paid attention to how brutal our start to the season was. But I noticed it, I didnt care too much because I was so happy to watch the Canucks play almost every single night. But then I started to wonder, well how many nights off are we going to have later in the season? What does the rest of the schedule look like and what does the rest look like for all the other teams in the division?

 

Remmeber Roussel’s comments just prior to COVID about how brutal the scheduling was? How everytime Vancouver got into town or a team came into town they were well rested before playing the Canucks. Montreal and Toronto had multiple 3-7 day breaks before Vancouver had 1 nice break. But that was supposed to flip and Vancouver was going to be the team getting more days off, more practice time and taking advantage of tired teams.

 

Every single team in the league had a point in their schedule where it was going to be a lot of condensed hockey. Either at the start, in the middle or towards the end. The problem was a lot of the teams in our division, were supposed to have it rougher near the end and Vancouver was to be more rested as the season went on. Unfortunately, after we got through our toughest part of the season, we were hit by COVID. It allowed the teams in our division to have the tougher part of their schedule to be a little more rested and for Vancouver, after battling COVID and all the lingering effects of it, had to fight through an extremely tiring and gruesome grind to the end.

 

We agreed to the schedule because it was going to be fair as we got to the end of it. And personally I would rather get the hard part of the scheduling out of the way early so that if any injuries occur due to fatigue, we are able to work through it in the middle of the season instead of at the end of the season heading into the playoffs. And we would be more rested going into the playoffs. COVID hit and we had no choice but to finish the season with how unfair the scheduling was compared to the rest of the division and the rest of the league. Its not on the league to blame for how bad the scheduling ended up being from start to finish, it was just how unlucky it was for us to get hit by COVID and when we were hit with COVID and for how long.

Nailed it.

 

No one had a schedule like ours at the start but it was going to "even out" for us at the end.  Except COVID changed all that and the Canucks had a grind that NO other team experienced. 

 

I, too, compared against other teams who did have some nice breaks when we were lucky to get a day off (often with travel involved).  It was crazy.

 

Thank you for digging deeper because it matters.