Why we are never in the conversation for big name trades in the Benning era?

[spur1]

35 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

gimme a break just because the sedins didn't retire yet it's not a rebuild? and we are praising benning now coz only took him "year 2" of the rebuild to be back in the playoff? ok so what the hell has he done during the actual rebuild then?? literally nothing other than getting podz? trading away a 1st rounder? trading away a 2nd and a prospect? none of those looks like the start of a rebuild. the team have done worse and picked higher with more draft picks overall during a retool than a rebuild? what kind of rebuild is this then?

A good one. 

[knucklehead91]

50 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

gimme a break just because the sedins didn't retire yet it's not a rebuild? and we are praising benning now coz only took him "year 2" of the rebuild to be back in the playoff? ok so what the hell has he done during the actual rebuild then?? literally nothing other than getting podz? trading away a 1st rounder? trading away a 2nd and a prospect? none of those looks like the start of a rebuild. the team have done worse and picked higher with more draft picks overall during a retool than a rebuild? what kind of rebuild is this then?

Buddy, you couldnt catch a clue if you had a glove.

 

Playoffs = revenue

Revenue = what owners want

Sedins = owners hoping for playoffs

hoping for playoffs = not a guarantee

not a guarantee = make moves to improve team

moves made : Vanek, Sutter, LE, Vrbata, Miller etc etc. (Ryan Miller, to be clear because you clearly dont understand what is going on)

Vrbata became a crybaby = gone

LE = 2 major injuries in his first 2 seasons

injuries = not much playing time

not much playing time = more likely to lose

After 2 seaons with injury for LE = Sedins retire

Sedins retire = time for Owners to accept the rebuild 

Rebuild = place holders ie beagle and roussel

2019-20 we are on pace to make playoffs

Poised to make playoffs = make moves to improve

Moves made to improve = toffoli

toffoli+miller = playoffs

Toffoli = broken foot

broken foot = bad

bad = COVID

COVID = flat cap

flat cap = no more toffoli

no more toffoli = unforunate luck

unfortunate luck = this season

this season = write off

write off = next season is a fresh slate

fresh slate = for everyone

for everyone = Green AAAAAAND Benning

 

 

What I can say is Benning has done this:

after finishing 25th in the league in 2013-14

Benning stepped in and made several changes to the roster, we then finished 8th in the first season under Benning

 

Owners held onto that hope and as long as the Sedins were playing, each move was revolved around them. Like Signing Vrbata to play with the twins, Loui Eriksson to play with the twins, Vanek to play with the twins.

 

The Sedins retired and each move that was made to help them, became an issue because Eriksson, the big fish that got reeled in to play with the Sedins, had both of his linemates retire. Wtf is he supposed to do now? Carry the dead weight that the Sedins had been carrying for so long?

 

Benning has drafted well during the failed retooling years and it helped us when we hit the full rebuild years. Our draft picks made instant impact and Benning took notice and decided to make improvements. His improvements resulted in us making the playoffs last year DURING WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE EARLY STAGES OF A REBUILD. That is what he has done during a rebuild, HE MADE THE FLIPPIN PLAYOFFS.

 

This year is 100% excusable for everyone. Next year is not, the following year after is the final verdict wether or not TG and Benning need to go. But right now, while the moves have been under his control, the team has been headed in a good direction

The 2014-18 years were influenced by Ownership wanting playoff revenue, they no longer had a choice but to accept a rebuild when 22 and 33 retired.

 

Edited July 6, 2021 by knucklehead91

[Gurn]

21 hours ago, gurn said:

Refresh my memory, please, where did Gads and Lind finish playing  last year?

26 hrs later and no reply from the poster I originally quoted, perhaps he is still busy reading the line up, to ascertain just where Gads and Lind were at the end of this past season?

[The Lock]

Personally, I don't care about being in media reports in terms of trades. What I do care about is having a good team. These 2 things can very much be (and are) mutually exclusive.

 

Just as an example, how many big trades did Chicago do before they started winning cups? And don't tell me that players who were unknown at the time, such as Versteeg, count. How about St. Louis? How about Tampa? Even if there are big trades, it's not any more than we're doing each year if you think about it.

 

You just need to stop focusing on the dirt and actually focus on making a garden. Merely expecting big trades to happen gets us nowhere. If anything, it's a risk that could even step us back if we overpay.

Edited July 6, 2021 by The Lock

[PetterssonOrPeterson]

Because we were supposedly rebuilding/retooling (whatever you call it) for these past 7 years.

[Kragar]

On 7/5/2021 at 11:07 AM, Angry Goose said:

I thought I was the angry one around here

 

Looked at?  Where did you get that from?

CalgaryPuck, HFBoards... you know, some high-grade sources

[wai_lai416]

1 hour ago, knucklehead91 said:

Buddy, you couldnt catch a clue if you had a glove.

 

Playoffs = revenue

Revenue = what owners want

Sedins = owners hoping for playoffs

hoping for playoffs = not a guarantee

not a guarantee = make moves to improve team

moves made : Vanek, Sutter, LE, Vrbata, Miller etc etc. (Ryan Miller, to be clear because you clearly dont understand what is going on)

Vrbata became a crybaby = gone

LE = 2 major injuries in his first 2 seasons

injuries = not much playing time

not much playing time = more likely to lose

After 2 seaons with injury for LE = Sedins retire

Sedins retire = time for Owners to accept the rebuild 

Rebuild = place holders ie beagle and roussel

2019-20 we are on pace to make playoffs

Poised to make playoffs = make moves to improve

Moves made to improve = toffoli

toffoli+miller = playoffs

Toffoli = broken foot

broken foot = bad

bad = COVID

COVID = flat cap

flat cap = no more toffoli

no more toffoli = unforunate luck

unfortunate luck = this season

this season = write off

write off = next season is a fresh slate

fresh slate = for everyone

for everyone = Green AAAAAAND Benning

 

 

What I can say is Benning has done this:

after finishing 25th in the league in 2013-14

Benning stepped in and made several changes to the roster, we then finished 8th in the first season under Benning

 

Owners held onto that hope and as long as the Sedins were playing, each move was revolved around them. Like Signing Vrbata to play with the twins, Loui Eriksson to play with the twins, Vanek to play with the twins.

 

The Sedins retired and each move that was made to help them, became an issue because Eriksson, the big fish that got reeled in to play with the Sedins, had both of his linemates retire. Wtf is he supposed to do now? Carry the dead weight that the Sedins had been carrying for so long?

 

Benning has drafted well during the failed retooling years and it helped us when we hit the full rebuild years. Our draft picks made instant impact and Benning took notice and decided to make improvements. His improvements resulted in us making the playoffs last year DURING WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE EARLY STAGES OF A REBUILD. That is what he has done during a rebuild, HE MADE THE FLIPPIN PLAYOFFS.

 

This year is 100% excusable for everyone. Next year is not, the following year after is the final verdict wether or not TG and Benning need to go. But right now, while the moves have been under his control, the team has been headed in a good direction

The 2014-18 years were influenced by Ownership wanting playoff revenue, they no longer had a choice but to accept a rebuild when 22 and 33 retired.

 

benning have drafted well you talk like he was drafting in the 15-20s every year while retooling when he drafted in the #5-8 every year other than the annomaly when we made the playoff... you would hope he do well but not really.. he did well with pettersson boeser and failed epicly in 2014 when he drafted virtanen over a bunch of other guys and McCann over Pastrnak and juolevi over any of the next couple Dmen taken after him. Hughes was literally a no brainer considering he was the BPA that fell so many places and the canucks were desperate for a Dmen... getting a hoglander and a demko doesn't make up the fact he whiffed hard on multiple top 6 picks.. ok so if benning was told to retool every year the sedins were here then why the hell is he still here after literally finishing bottom 3 in the league every year of the retool other than the first? and who trades away their 1st 2nd and prospect in the 1st year of a rebuild?? the Miller trade looks nothing like a trade of a rebuilding team. the Toffoli trade looks nothing like a rebuilding team trade, and then this year when we struggle coz of covid related schedule you tell me oh we are actually still in the infant stage of our rebuild? ok so we traded away a 1st for miller which ppl are saying well he's gonna mentor the players when we start to be competitive.. so we pay a 1st for miller for his prime year when we are actually rebuilding and then we gonna use him as a 5mil+ mentor when we become competitive? you can prolly get one of those off the UFA without paying a 1st. the toffoli trade for the playoff push?? we are all of a sudden a playoff team trading away picks and prospect for what realistically a 1st round playoff lost if we even make it in a normal year? nothing benning have done ever indicated we are ever rebuilding until this year when we actually traded some players for picks.

[awalk]

On 7/5/2021 at 9:14 AM, Canuckfanforlife82 said:

It’s a little frustrating to see where this franchise is at and all the pieces it is still missing and then realize we don’t have the assets to make impact trades. This franchise should at least have assets to make deals for players like a Seth Jones, yet this team isn’t even mentioned. That happens at every free agency and trade deadline. It’s just another example of how this franchise has not been set up to get better or to improve. There is very little in the prospect cupboard as of right now which is alarming at this point. It would just be nice to at least be in that conversation. Hearing Schmidt wants out just goes to show there is something wrong with this organization.

Canucks are often in the discussion for any and all big moves. 

[lmm]

On 7/5/2021 at 3:34 PM, knucklehead91 said:

Whats really disappointing is you and a fair amount of fans arent able to figure out when the rebuild actually began and what the years prior to the rebuild were about.

 

2014-2018 = the years that were spent trying to win a cup for the Sedins. Hence the Vrbata, Vanek and Eriksson signings.

 

2018-2019 = the first year without the Sedins = rebuild = place holders = Beagle, Roussel etc

 

2019-2020 = year 2 of the rebuild = playoffs = 3rd round of playoffs = rebuild turning around on a dime

 

2020-2021 = COVID not a fair or normal year for anyone and not a year to be judged or used as a measuring stick. Canucks had the worst and most unfortunate/unfair season compared to any other team in the league and thats not speaking of injuries. The hands down worst scheduling by 1000000000000 miles due to the COVID shut down mid season.

 

 

Does it make sense now? Bennings tenure has been 7 years, his actual rebuild has been 3, but this year isnt fair to put down on his resume. Next season and the following are when we can all agree wether or not this team is going in the right direction under JB and TG

What does amaze me is teh extent some of you "TRUE FANS" will go to make excuses for the poor job El Jimmer has done

what does not amaze me is that this team still sucks, what with some many of you making one excuse after another, why should anyone be bothered to actually make the team better.

 

Here is one of those teams you said Jimmer assembled in order to take another run at the Cup

btw not the first and not the last of the Sedin's Last Stand

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000392017.html

 

is that a Cup contender in your eyes?

 

The Sedins were done after 2012, that is six years when they did nothing but pad their personal stats and teach the new core how to lose gracefully

 

2020-21 is not a normal year, but it shows hwich GMs are ready to take a bad situation and win dispite the troubles other GMs (and fanbases , appearently) have negotiating the "NOT NORMAL" year.

2018 was not a normal year 

2013 was not normal

2006 was not normal

1995 was not normal

1968 was not normal

the war years were not normal

Teams won cups during those "not normal" years

 but you and many other "TRue Fans" are willing to wait for another "normal" year in hopes Normal means Canuckle Magic

 

Go play in Vancouver they said, where the media is harsh, but the fans will fall over themselves to excuse poor performance

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, lmm said:

What does amaze me is teh extent some of you "TRUE FANS" will go to make excuses for the poor job El Jimmer has done

what does not amaze me is that this team still sucks, what with some many of you making one excuse after another, why should anyone be bothered to actually make the team better.

 

Here is one of those teams you said Jimmer assembled in order to take another run at the Cup

btw not the first and not the last of the Sedin's Last Stand

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000392017.html

 

is that a Cup contender in your eyes?

 

The Sedins were done after 2012, that is six years when they did nothing but pad their personal stats and teach the new core how to lose gracefully

 

2020-21 is not a normal year, but it shows hwich GMs are ready to take a bad situation and win dispite the troubles other GMs (and fanbases , appearently) have negotiating the "NOT NORMAL" year.

2018 was not a normal year 

2013 was not normal

2006 was not normal

1995 was not normal

1968 was not normal

the war years were not normal

Teams won cups during those "not normal" years

 but you and many other "TRue Fans" are willing to wait for another "normal" year in hopes Normal means Canuckle Magic

 

Go play in Vancouver they said, where the media is harsh, but the fans will fall over themselves to excuse poor performance

Is Saanich a Suburb of Toronto?  Why the nastiness about Canuck fans?  It’s not our fault the Leafs are losers.  

[knucklehead91]

2 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

benning have drafted well you talk like he was drafting in the 15-20s every year while retooling when he drafted in the #5-8 every year other than the annomaly when we made the playoff... you would hope he do well but not really.. he did well with pettersson boeser and failed epicly in 2014 when he drafted virtanen over a bunch of other guys and McCann over Pastrnak and juolevi over any of the next couple Dmen taken after him. Hughes was literally a no brainer considering he was the BPA that fell so many places and the canucks were desperate for a Dmen... getting a hoglander and a demko doesn't make up the fact he whiffed hard on multiple top 6 picks.. ok so if benning was told to retool every year the sedins were here then why the hell is he still here after literally finishing bottom 3 in the league every year of the retool other than the first? and who trades away their 1st 2nd and prospect in the 1st year of a rebuild?? the Miller trade looks nothing like a trade of a rebuilding team. the Toffoli trade looks nothing like a rebuilding team trade, and then this year when we struggle coz of covid related schedule you tell me oh we are actually still in the infant stage of our rebuild? ok so we traded away a 1st for miller which ppl are saying well he's gonna mentor the players when we start to be competitive.. so we pay a 1st for miller for his prime year when we are actually rebuilding and then we gonna use him as a 5mil+ mentor when we become competitive? you can prolly get one of those off the UFA without paying a 1st. the toffoli trade for the playoff push?? we are all of a sudden a playoff team trading away picks and prospect for what realistically a 1st round playoff lost if we even make it in a normal year? nothing benning have done ever indicated we are ever rebuilding until this year when we actually traded some players for picks.

 

I want you to take a really good long read before running your mouth.

 

Now that you can see that on July 25 2018 at 4:53 PM Francesco Aquilini tweeted the rebuild. Maybe you'll actually pick up on the fact the rebuild started in 2018 like I said.

Also 23 teams passed on Pastrnak. Colorado is the ONLY f***ing team in the 1st round and in the first 33 picks of the 2014 draft to draft a guy who has not played a single shift in the NHL. Guess where they drafted.... #22 which was 2 picks prior to Pastrnak, how did they f**k that up? How about Dal Colle?? Fleury, Honka, Milano, Bennett, Perlini, DeAngelo, Fabbri, Schmaltz, Tuch, Kapanen??? These guys are all worse picks than Pastrnak. Actually almost every single player in that draft should have been drafted below Pastrnak. Pastrnak could go anywhere from 1 to 3. 

1	1	Florida	Aaron Ekblad	D	Barrie Colts [OHL]	493	82	152	234	308	2020-21
1	2	Buffalo	Sam Reinhart	C	Kootenay Ice [WHL]	454	134	161	295	90	2020-21
1	3	Edmonton	Leon Draisaitl	C	Prince Albert Raiders [WHL]	478	199	307	506	166	2020-21
1	4	Calgary	Sam Bennett	C	Kingston Frontenacs [OHL]	412	73	82	155	352	2020-21
1	5	NY Islanders	Michael Dal Colle	L	Oshawa Generals [OHL]	111	8	13	21	18	2020-21
1	6	Vancouver	Jake Virtanen	R	Calgary Hitmen [WHL]	317	55	45	100	219	2020-21
1	7	Carolina	Haydn Fleury	D	Red Deer Rebels [WHL]	179	7	20	27	32	2020-21
1	8	Toronto	William Nylander	R	MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SweHL]	358	103	160	263	90	2020-21
1	9	Winnipeg	Nikolaj Ehlers	L	Halifax Mooseheads [QMJHL]	416	136	167	303	145	2020-21
1	10	Anaheim	Nick Ritchie	L	Peterborough Petes [OHL]	350	59	78	137	387	2020-21
1	11	Nashville	Kevin Fiala	L	HV71 Jonkoping [SweHL]	337	91	107	198	165	2020-21
1	12	Arizona	Brendan Perlini	L	Niagara IceDogs [OHL]	239	46	30	76	86	2019-20
1	13	Washington	Jakub Vrana	L	Linkopings HC [SweHL]	295	84	84	168	69	2020-21
1	14	Dallas	Julius Honka	D	Swift Current Broncos [WHL]	87	2	11	13	28	2018-19
1	15	Detroit	Dylan Larkin	C	U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL]	433	116	173	289	280	2020-21
1	16	Columbus	Sonny Milano	L	U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL]	131	22	25	47	36	2020-21
1	17	Philadelphia	Travis Sanheim	D	Calgary Hitmen [WHL]	255	22	63	85	97	2020-21
1	18	Minnesota	Alex Tuch	R	U.S. National Under-18 Team [USHL]	255	61	78	139	71	2020-21
1	19	Tampa Bay	Tony DeAngelo	D	Sarnia Sting [OHL]	206	24	82	106	176	2020-21
1	20	Chicago	Nick Schmaltz	C	Green Bay Gamblers [USHL]	301	55	127	182	68	2020-21
1	21	St. Louis	Robby Fabbri	C	Guelph Storm [OHL]	246	56	66	122	94	2020-21
1	22	Pittsburgh	Kasperi Kapanen	R	KalPa Kuopio [SM-liiga]	242	52	68	120	62	2020-21
1	23	Colorado	Conner Bleackley	C	Red Deer Rebels [WHL]
1	24	Vancouver	Jared McCann	C	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	353	66	89	155	122	2020-21
1	25	Boston	David Pastrnak	R	Sodertalje SK [Swe-1]	438	200	227	427	195	2020-21
1	26	Montreal	Nikita Scherbak	R	Saskatoon Blades [WHL]	37	6	2	8	10	2018-19
1	27	San Jose	Nikolay Goldobin	R	Sarnia Sting [OHL]	125	19	27	46	24	2019-20
1	28	NY Islanders	Josh Ho-Sang	R	Windsor Spitfires [OHL]	53	7	17	24	20	2018-19
1	29	Los Angeles	Adrian Kempe	C	MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SweHL]	312	55	77	132	162	2020-21
1	30	New Jersey	John Quenneville	C	Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL]	42	2	3	5	6	2019-20

 

Sooooo like....Also how much input was from previous regime's scouting? The draft took place June 27th, Benning was hired on May 21st  thats less than 5 weeks.

 

Eric Crawford was a Gillis guy and was the head of scouting/Director of player personnel leading up to the 2014 NHL entry draft.

Staff History

Eric Crawford

TEAM	POSITION	DATE SPAN	AGE SPAN	DURATION
Vancouver Canucks	Director of Pro Scouting	2008 - 2013	34 - 39	5 Years
Vancouver Canucks	Director of Player Personnel	2013 - 2015	39 - 41	2 Years
Montreal Canadiens	Director of Pro Scouting	2016 - Present	42 -	5 Years

 

 

 

After that Benning staffed his own guy

 

Judd Brackett

Staff History

TEAM	POSITION	DATE SPAN	AGE SPAN	DURATION
Vancouver Canucks	Director of Amateur Scouting	Aug 4, 2015 - Jun 30, 2020		4 Years, 10 Months, 26 Days

 

 

 

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO like Benning was taking advice from Vancouver's old staff and scouting department in that years draft. He didnt have his own scouting team. 

 

 

 

 

 

Also its worth noting that Benning went from expecting to draft in the bottom 10 of the 1st round to the top 10. So when he was working with Boston up until he was promoted they had their focus on bottom 10 picks. He left and was hired by Vancouver, the mind set changes from what they have scouted and expected to get in the bottom to near the top now. He and whatever staff he hired or was leftover had 5 weeks to come up with a game plan as to who to draft. 

You would lose your f***ing mind if Benning took a player that Boston was eyeing up around the 20-26 spot and turned out to be a big bust. 

 

Wanna know who Boston drafted that year when Benning spent an entire year working with Boston and had his target for their draft pick at #25??

Oh wait you already know, it was David Pastrnak who was widely picked in and around that spot. 

You do realize that draft rankings are only a projection and that players CAN actually be better than where they were expected to go due to their potential. Players CAN also fall a part after being drafted and are unable to make the jump to the NHL.

Craig Button didnt even have Pastrnak in his final rankings in the 1st round. 

 

Take a listen, fast forward to 13:10

TSN 2014 NHL Mock Draft with Craig Button

1. Aaron Ekblad
2. Sam Bennett
3. Leon Draisaitl
4. Sam Reinhart
5. Michael Dal Colle
6. Jake Virtanen
7. Haydn Fleury
8. Nick Ritchie
9. Nikolaj Ehlers
10. Kasperi Kapanen
11. William Nylander
12. Brendan Perlini
13. Julius Honka
14. Dylan Larkin
15. Jared McCann
16. Sonny Milano
17. Anthony DeAngelo
18. Robert Fabbri
19. Travis Sanheim
20. Kevin Fiala
21. Ryan MacInnis
22. Alex Tuch
23. Adrian Kempe
24. Nick Schmaltz
25. Jakub Vrana
26. Ivan Barbashev
27. Marcus Pettersson
28. Nikita Scherbak
29. Roland McKeown
30. Brendan Lemieux

PASTRNAK????? Where aRRRRee yoUUUUUU

2014 NHL Draft Prospect Rankings
RK	Bob McKenzie TSN June 23th	Christopher Ralph THW - The Next Ones June 21st	Ryan Kennedy THN June 20th	Eldon MacDonald THW - War Room June. 15th
1	Aaron Ekblad	Aaron Ekblad	Aaron Ekblad	Aaron Ekblad
2	Sam Reinhart	Sam Reinhart	Sam Bennett	Sam Reinhart
3	Sam Bennett	Samuel Bennett	Leon Draisaitl	Samuel Bennett
4	Leon Draisaitl	Nikolaj Ehlers	Sam Reinhart	Leon Draisaitl
5	Michael Dal Colle	William Nylander	Michael Dal Colle	Michael Dal Colle
6	Nick Ritchie	Leon Draisaitl	Willie Nylander	Jake Virtanen
7	Jake Virtanen	Michael Dal Colle	Nick Ritchie	Nick Ritchie
8	Haydn Fleury	Jake Virtanen	Nikolaj Ehlers	Nikolaj Ehlers
9	William Nylander	Nick Ritchie	Haydn Fleury	Willam Nylander
10	Nikolaj Ehlers	Haydn Fleury	Kasperi Kapanen	Haydn Fleury
11	Kasperi Kapanen	Brendan Perlini	Brendan Perlini	Kevin Fiala
12	Dylan Larkin	Robert Fabbri	Jake Virtanen	Brendan Perlini
13	Brendan Perlini	Kevin Fiala	Jared McCann	Joshua Ho Sang
14	Robby Fabbri	Nikita Scherbak	Alex Tuch	Nikita Scherbak
15	Kevin Fiala	Conner Bleackley	Dylan Larkin	Travis Sanheim
16	Jared McCann	Sonny Milano	Jakub Vrana	Ivan Barbashev
17	Alex Tuch	Jakub Vrána	Ivan Barbashev	Alex Tuch
18	Sonny Milano	Ivan Barbashev	Julius Honka	Dylan Larkin
19	Jakub Vrana	Dylan Larkin	Kevin Fiala	Sonny Milano
20	Julius Honka	Jared McCann	Conner Bleackley	David Pastr?ák
21	Nikita Scherbak	Kasperi Kapanen	Roland McKeown	Kasperi Kapanen
22	David Pastrnak	Joshua Ho Sang	David Pastrnak	Jared McCann
23	Ivan Barbashev	Julius Honka	Robby Fabbri	Adrian Kempe
24	Travis Sanheim	Travis Sanheim	Jack Dougherty	Julius Honka
25	Roland McKeown	Adrian Kempe	Adrian Kempe	Jakub Vrána
26	Nick Schmaltz	David Pastr?ák	Sonny Milano	Roland McKeown
27	Thatcher Demko	Roland McKeown	Thatcher Demko	Thatcher Demko
28	Adrian Kempe	Eric Cornel	Travis Sanheim	Nikolay Goldobin
29	Conner Bleackley	Brayden Point	Marcus Pettersson	Robert Fabbri
30	Josh Ho-Sang	Nikolay Goldobin	Nick Schmaltz	Conner Bleackley

 

Pastrnak was pretty much a consensus 20-26th overall
 

 

The reason why retooling didnt work is because thanks to the ALMOST COMPLETE and entire failure of Gillis' drafting, we had nearly ZERO prospects to insert into the lineup. Our drafting sucked for like 8 years we lived off Brian Burke's drafting and after he landed us 2 of the greatest players to ever play for Vancouver and with the best chemistry you could ever get on ice next to Gretzky and Kurri, Nonis was able to add a couple guys to help support the Sedins, but his drafting got worse as time went on and Gillis had the worst drafting period. 

You need strong drafting and luck to keep retooling successfully. Its not always done through trade, its typically done through the draft. Getting solid players that can step in and make an impact on ELC's or bridge deals. 

 

So like maybe... Just maybe after you finish reading and understanding things, you'll stop blaming Benning entirely for the 2014 draft. 

 

Rebuilds take several years to be considered "successful" not all rebuilds are quick and not all are long. 

Rebuilds take about 4-5 years to become competitive, 6-7 years to start contending and their window to win is 4-5 years from the moment it opens. 

SO.... in the 2nd year of a rebuild YES its very friggin early to make the playoffs or expect to make the playoffs. HOWEVER we DID make the playoffs and we BEAT multiple teams in the playoffs plus we took Vegas to a game 7. 

 

Also I'll say it one more time so you understand the Miller trade. Benning realized the team he had was pretty good on paper, better than a bottom 5 team. He added JT Miller for a fair price and it was not an anomaly that we turned out to be a pretty decent team. When he realized that move paid serious dividends and we were beating teams around the league and were looking like a potential playoff team, he did what every single GM does when heading to the playoffs, HE ADDED A PLAYER. Tyler Toffoli came in and we not only made the playoffs but won a couple rounds and we did it without Toffoli for the most part because he fractured or bruised his foot and was in a walking boot. He got hurt in game 1 of the Wild series and returned for game 2 of the Vegas series, he wasnt even part of the Minnesota or St Louis series.

Edited July 6, 2021 by knucklehead91

[knucklehead91]

1 hour ago, lmm said:

What does amaze me is teh extent some of you "TRUE FANS" will go to make excuses for the poor job El Jimmer has done

what does not amaze me is that this team still sucks, what with some many of you making one excuse after another, why should anyone be bothered to actually make the team better.

 

Here is one of those teams you said Jimmer assembled in order to take another run at the Cup

btw not the first and not the last of the Sedin's Last Stand

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000392017.html

 

is that a Cup contender in your eyes?

 

The Sedins were done after 2012, that is six years when they did nothing but pad their personal stats and teach the new core how to lose gracefully

 

2020-21 is not a normal year, but it shows hwich GMs are ready to take a bad situation and win dispite the troubles other GMs (and fanbases , appearently) have negotiating the "NOT NORMAL" year.

2018 was not a normal year 

2013 was not normal

2006 was not normal

1995 was not normal

1968 was not normal

the war years were not normal

Teams won cups during those "not normal" years

 but you and many other "TRue Fans" are willing to wait for another "normal" year in hopes Normal means Canuckle Magic

 

Go play in Vancouver they said, where the media is harsh, but the fans will fall over themselves to excuse poor performance

What amazes me is the extent you go to call yourself  "a fan"

hahahahahha brutal buddy, you aint got a clue about hockey. 

 

Francesco Aquilini

 

@fr_aquilini

 

9/12. A rebuild is a long, slow, gradual process. Everybody needs to be united behind the same vision and pulling in the same direction.

 

4:53 PM · Jul 25, 2018·Twitter Web Client

 

REBUILD STARTED IN 2018 BRO OF COURSE THE TEAM IS NOT A CUP CONTENDER YET. ITS ONLY 2021. Jesus. 

You cant see anything ahead, you only look behind. Open your eyes dude

 

PETTERSSON, BOESER, DEMKO, HUGHES, HOGLANDER, PODKOLZIN, RATHBONE, DIPIETRO, LOCKWOOD, GADJOVICH

btw Rathbone 4th round pick. 

 

So how many moves were made this TDL? or how many insane signings were there this last Free agency?? This TDL sucked a$$ and the biggest trade was Taylor Hall, the ONLY reason he got moved with his massive 8mi cap hit, was because  Buffalo retained 50% because this was his last year of the contract. Everything else sucked, nothing else was a "puts this team over the top" move. LOL Foligno?????????? Yea that was a real big move by Toronto. 

 

I'm waiting patiently for a normal and fair year, because the last normal and fair year we had, we made the playoffs and won 2 rounds. By normal I mean no team getting hammered with insane scheduling, divisional restrictions for the season and no teams getting COVID and being put on hold for nearly a month mid season. 

 

Injuries are entirely fair throughout the season

 

We battled through the Pettersson injury this season and we were a winning team without him. We couldnt overcome COVID AND Pettersson missing from the lineup.

 

The Sedins playing meant there was no rebuild happening, it was a year in and year out attempt to make playoffs and win a cup for them.

So JB took Van from 25th to 8th overall in his first year.

2017-18 Sedins final season

18-19 first year of the rebuild, Draft picks from 2014-2019 all making a serious impact

19-20 Benning takes notice and adds JT Miller - instant chemistry and instant impact. Selke and Hart nominations. Great f***ing move

					Scoring					Goals				Assists			Shots			Ice Time
Season	Age	Tm	Lg	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	EV	PP	SH	S	S%	TSA	TOI	ATOI	FOW	FOL	FO%	BLK	HIT	TK	GV	Awards
2019-20	26	VAN	NHL	69	27	45	72	11	47	18	9	0	3	27	16	2	165	16.4	290	1387	20:06	425	293	59.2	38	123	52	36	AS-7,Hart-17,Selke-19

 

Later in the 19-20 season Benning see's Vancouver in a spot to make the playoffs

Adds Tyler Toffoli and boom we are headed to playoffs.

 

Stop calling yourself a fan, you clearly aren't one of this team or hockey because you are clueless.

Edited July 6, 2021 by knucklehead91

[knucklehead91]

@lmm I challenge you to give me 5 SOLID reasons as to why Benning should be fired. You have done nothing but focus on things that went wrong and have done nothing to acknowledge things that have gone right and great things Benning has done.

Once you submit your 5 solid reasons, I will then argue them. I will make a post, I will put polls for each point that I argue. I am going to use logic to show you that you have your head in the gutter. FANS actual FANS not like the fan you call yourself will then be able to vote on the poll to see which points I win and which points you win. Then we'll see how the fanbase feels. Rather than having a few of you "fans" spew negativity at each and every chance you can. We'll let the rest of the fans decide.

[lmm]

5 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

gimme a break just because the sedins didn't retire yet it's not a rebuild? and we are praising benning now coz only took him "year 2" of the rebuild to be back in the playoff? ok so what the hell has he done during the actual rebuild then?? literally nothing other than getting podz? trading away a 1st rounder? trading away a 2nd and a prospect? none of those looks like the start of a rebuild. the team have done worse and picked higher with more draft picks overall during a retool than a rebuild? what kind of rebuild is this then?

Hey Wai

clearly you have no clue

I know this becoause Knuckle said so.

I also have no clue 

I know this because Knuckle said so

So, from one clueless to another, let me help you out with the rules of this new game.

Rule 1 -ever play a board game with someone who randomly "accidentally" knocks the board over when they are losing?  That is Knuckle

So retool didn't work, no problem give Jimmer a mulligan and reset the clock to zero

Ericksson signing failed, no problem, reset the clock to zero

repairing the "Fantom Age Gap" failed because the new youth all sucked, no problem, rest the clock to zero

Sedins retire, no problem reset the clock to Zero

 

Are you clear on Rule 1?? when ever anything happens - Reset the clock to Zero

 

Rule 2 Put = between any 2 events means you are smart

here is a practice one for you, if you can't figure it out it is obviously because you are clueless

After 2 seaons with injury for LE = Sedins retire

while you are still chewing on that one, here's another

Broken foot = bad

Bad = Covid

Let me help you with that one.

Obviously Tyler Toffoli created Covid with his broken foot six months after the out break

So it wasn't the bats or Wuhan, but TT six months in the future

I know this because I am clueless

 

Rule 3 - call other people "Clueless" 

 

Thats it, those are the rules. Now go out there and have fun

 

4 hours ago, knucklehead91 said:

Buddy, you couldnt catch a clue if you had a glove.

 

Playoffs = revenue

Revenue = what owners want

Sedins = owners hoping for playoffs

hoping for playoffs = not a guarantee

not a guarantee = make moves to improve team

moves made : Vanek, Sutter, LE, Vrbata, Miller etc etc. (Ryan Miller, to be clear because you clearly dont understand what is going on)

Vrbata became a crybaby = gone

LE = 2 major injuries in his first 2 seasons

injuries = not much playing time

not much playing time = more likely to lose

After 2 seaons with injury for LE = Sedins retire

Sedins retire = time for Owners to accept the rebuild 

Rebuild = place holders ie beagle and roussel

2019-20 we are on pace to make playoffs

Poised to make playoffs = make moves to improve

Moves made to improve = toffoli

toffoli+miller = playoffs

Toffoli = broken foot

broken foot = bad

bad = COVID

COVID = flat cap

flat cap = no more toffoli

no more toffoli = unforunate luck

unfortunate luck = this season

this season = write off

write off = next season is a fresh slate

fresh slate = for everyone

for everyone = Green AAAAAAND Benning

 

 

What I can say is Benning has done this:

after finishing 25th in the league in 2013-14

Benning stepped in and made several changes to the roster, we then finished 8th in the first season under Benning

 

Owners held onto that hope and as long as the Sedins were playing, each move was revolved around them. Like Signing Vrbata to play with the twins, Loui Eriksson to play with the twins, Vanek to play with the twins.

 

The Sedins retired and each move that was made to help them, became an issue because Eriksson, the big fish that got reeled in to play with the Sedins, had both of his linemates retire. Wtf is he supposed to do now? Carry the dead weight that the Sedins had been carrying for so long?

 

Benning has drafted well during the failed retooling years and it helped us when we hit the full rebuild years. Our draft picks made instant impact and Benning took notice and decided to make improvements. His improvements resulted in us making the playoffs last year DURING WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE EARLY STAGES OF A REBUILD. That is what he has done during a rebuild, HE MADE THE FLIPPIN PLAYOFFS.

 

This year is 100% excusable for everyone. Next year is not, the following year after is the final verdict wether or not TG and Benning need to go. But right now, while the moves have been under his control, the team has been headed in a good direction

The 2014-18 years were influenced by Ownership wanting playoff revenue, they no longer had a choice but to accept a rebuild when 22 and 33 retired.

 

 

[Alflives]

11 minutes ago, lmm said:

Hey Wai

clearly you have no clue.

i also have no clue.

 

 

Now that’s perfect.

Edited July 7, 2021 by Alflives

[knucklehead91]

30 minutes ago, lmm said:

Hey Wai

clearly you have no clue

I know this becoause Knuckle said so.

I also have no clue 

I know this because Knuckle said so

So, from one clueless to another, let me help you out with the rules of this new game.

Rule 1 -ever play a board game with someone who randomly "accidentally" knocks the board over when they are losing?  That is Knuckle

So retool didn't work, no problem give Jimmer a mulligan and reset the clock to zero

Ericksson signing failed, no problem, reset the clock to zero

repairing the "Fantom Age Gap" failed because the new youth all sucked, no problem, rest the clock to zero

Sedins retire, no problem reset the clock to Zero

 

Are you clear on Rule 1?? when ever anything happens - Reset the clock to Zero

 

Rule 2 Put = between any 2 events means you are smart

here is a practice one for you, if you can't figure it out it is obviously because you are clueless

After 2 seaons with injury for LE = Sedins retire

while you are still chewing on that one, here's another

Broken foot = bad

Bad = Covid

Let me help you with that one.

Obviously Tyler Toffoli created Covid with his broken foot six months after the out break

So it wasn't the bats or Wuhan, but TT six months in the future

I know this because I am clueless

 

Rule 3 - call other people "Clueless" 

 

Thats it, those are the rules. Now go out there and have fun

 

 

You forgot Rule #4. collect 0 rep after each comment you make!

Edited July 7, 2021 by knucklehead91

[knucklehead91]

47 minutes ago, lmm said:

Hey Wai

clearly you have no clue

I know this becoause Knuckle said so.

I also have no clue 

I know this because Knuckle said so

So, from one clueless to another, let me help you out with the rules of this new game.

Rule 1 -ever play a board game with someone who randomly "accidentally" knocks the board over when they are losing?  That is Knuckle

So retool didn't work, no problem give Jimmer a mulligan and reset the clock to zero

Ericksson signing failed, no problem, reset the clock to zero

repairing the "Fantom Age Gap" failed because the new youth all sucked, no problem, rest the clock to zero

Sedins retire, no problem reset the clock to Zero

 

Are you clear on Rule 1?? when ever anything happens - Reset the clock to Zero

 

Rule 2 Put = between any 2 events means you are smart

here is a practice one for you, if you can't figure it out it is obviously because you are clueless

After 2 seaons with injury for LE = Sedins retire

while you are still chewing on that one, here's another

Broken foot = bad

Bad = Covid

Let me help you with that one.

Obviously Tyler Toffoli created Covid with his broken foot six months after the out break

So it wasn't the bats or Wuhan, but TT six months in the future

I know this because I am clueless

 

Rule 3 - call other people "Clueless" 

 

Thats it, those are the rules. Now go out there and have fun

 

 

Lmao isnt the one who knocks all the pieces off the board the one thats the crybaby? You seem to be knockin lots of pieces off the board.

See Im the player who sees you knockin all the pieces off and throwing the childish little tantrum and I’m pickin the pieces back up. 
 

The one who knocks the pieces off is the one who doesnt understand the game. So like you, they throw a hissy fit and dont care to try and understand anything…..

 

Edited July 7, 2021 by knucklehead91

[alt kilgore]

40 minutes ago, lmm said:

Hey Wai

clearly you have no clue

I know this becoause Knuckle said so.

I also have no clue 

I know this because Knuckle said so

So, from one clueless to another, let me help you out with the rules of this new game.

Rule 1 -ever play a board game with someone who randomly "accidentally" knocks the board over when they are losing?  That is Knuckle

So retool didn't work, no problem give Jimmer a mulligan and reset the clock to zero

Ericksson signing failed, no problem, reset the clock to zero

repairing the "Fantom Age Gap" failed because the new youth all sucked, no problem, rest the clock to zero

Sedins retire, no problem reset the clock to Zero

 

Are you clear on Rule 1?? when ever anything happens - Reset the clock to Zero

 

Rule 2 Put = between any 2 events means you are smart

here is a practice one for you, if you can't figure it out it is obviously because you are clueless

After 2 seaons with injury for LE = Sedins retire

while you are still chewing on that one, here's another

Broken foot = bad

Bad = Covid

Let me help you with that one.

Obviously Tyler Toffoli created Covid with his broken foot six months after the out break

So it wasn't the bats or Wuhan, but TT six months in the future

I know this because I am clueless

 

Rule 3 - call other people "Clueless" 

 

Thats it, those are the rules. Now go out there and have fun

 

 

 

[lmm]

25 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

@lmm I challenge you to give me 5 SOLID reasons as to why Benning should be fired. You have done nothing but focus on things that went wrong and have done nothing to acknowledge things that have gone right and great things Benning has done.

Once you submit your 5 solid reasons, I will then argue them. I will make a post, I will put polls for each point that I argue. I am going to use logic to show you that you have your head in the gutter. FANS actual FANS not like the fan you call yourself will then be able to vote on the poll to see which points I win and which points you win. Then we'll see how the fanbase feels. Rather than having a few of you "fans" spew negativity at each and every chance you can. We'll let the rest of the fans decide.

hahahah

no dice man

I already know that htere are more of you than there are of me.

If only we could ask for a rep count on bags you could see how often the faithful disagree with me

 

So here is the new game

below are 6 statements

some I agree with slome I don't 

can you and your legion of fans tell which is which

 

Traded Kesler- good because it was decisive, got good, (not great) value

Signed Vanek to a one year deal- good because he then traded him for asset - Motte

Signed Ericksson to 6X6 - good because you have to offer term when enticing quality veterans

Traded Bonino - good because we needed a foundational top 6 center to take pressure off the young uns

Traded Kassian - good because The Canucks did everything they could for him, and he is/was a headcase

Let Markstrom walk - good because he wanted too much money and term

 

good luck

 

[Butters Stoch]

I'm pretty anti-Benning but I'm with him on avoiding Seth Jones. Targeting big name guys on the market who have an insane asking price is NOT the way to do it.