[Signing] Canucks re-sign Brandon Sutter

[Millerdraft]

2 hours ago, Westcoastcanucks777 said:

Oh no do we hate sutter too!?

Come on, man!  Get with the program already!  We hate all Canucks!

[Me_]

On 8/2/2021 at 8:55 PM, Alflives said:

The Sutter signing tells me a couple of very important things.  First, Sutter (taking such a big drop in pay, while staying in the same room) puts this team and its success ahead of his ego.  The guy has incredible character.  And second, this signing shows that a guy with incredible character and knowledge of the game (lots of connections around the league too; he’s a Sutter) chose to sign with Benning and this management group.  Great signing on many levels.  

Right on point bud.

[DrJockitch]

How is it hate to look at what this guy has given us and say that was not good enough.

He took a small deal because that was all he could get at this point in his career not because he is some masterful, self sacrificing room uniting leader, that is just silliness.

I personally would have liked to see the team cut bait on Sutter but for what he has signed it seems reasonable.  Obviously there was something there they liked to keep giving money to a guy that is barely in the lineup.  Sure he has some good shifts here and there when he can get in the lineup, but I don't think the loyalty shown him is reflected in the quality of play returned.

Signing Sutter though means you really need to have a legit alternate plan for whatever role you plan on putting him in.  Yes you always need depth, but if history has taught us anything is that whatever role you sign Sutter to fill, you need to sign someone else to also fill that role as well because he is rarely in the lineup.  If they plan on having Sutter as a PKer/4th line centre then they better make sure they have someone actually on the bench that can fill that role.

Edited August 5, 2021 by DrJockitch

[Dazzle]

22 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

How is it hate to look at what this guy has given us and say that was not good enough.

He took a small deal because that was all he could get at this point in his career not because he is some masterful, self sacrificing room uniting leader, that is just silliness.

I personally would have liked to see the team cut bait on Sutter but for what he has signed it seems reasonable.  Obviously there was something there they liked to keep giving money to a guy that is barely in the lineup.  Sure he has some good shifts here and there when he can get in the lineup, but I don't think the loyalty shown him is reflected in the quality of play returned.

Signing Sutter though means you really need to have a legit alternate plan for whatever role you plan on putting him in.  Yes you always need depth, but if history has taught us anything is that whatever role you sign Sutter to fill, you need to sign someone else to also fill that role as well because he is rarely in the lineup.  If they plan on having Sutter as a PKer/4th line centre then they better make sure they have someone actually on the bench that can fill that role.

I'm sure all of us know he was overpaid for the offensive production, but your slant against Sutter for signing a 1 mill contract shows your bias. What about players like Thornton? Is it really true that he signed hometown discounts because that's all he was worth? Come on.

 

Edler, who obviously plays a different position than Sutter, got 3.5 mill, despite the tough year that he had. My comparison here is that veteran players will always have some value around the league beyond 1mill. Add to the fact that Sutter is the best FO man for this price range, Sutter could've signed for more.

 

What about players like Schenn, who have won 2 cups? He could've just gotten a retirement contract, but he signed for less than 1 mill again.

 

 

[PhillipBlunt]

50 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

How is it hate to look at what this guy has given us and say that was not good enough.

He took a small deal because that was all he could get at this point in his career not because he is some masterful, self sacrificing room uniting leader, that is just silliness.

I personally would have liked to see the team cut bait on Sutter but for what he has signed it seems reasonable.  Obviously there was something there they liked to keep giving money to a guy that is barely in the lineup.  Sure he has some good shifts here and there when he can get in the lineup, but I don't think the loyalty shown him is reflected in the quality of play returned.

Signing Sutter though means you really need to have a legit alternate plan for whatever role you plan on putting him in.  Yes you always need depth, but if history has taught us anything is that whatever role you sign Sutter to fill, you need to sign someone else to also fill that role as well because he is rarely in the lineup.  If they plan on having Sutter as a PKer/4th line centre then they better make sure they have someone actually on the bench that can fill that role.

I think Sutter will be fine as a fourth line center. He's good on faceoffs, and can be a headache to deal with defensively. His salary is far more commiserate to his worth now. The team is going to be markedly better than last year.

[Millerdraft]

Edmonton getting bounced in the 1st round year after year and in dire need of a defensive zone right handed faceoff specialist would have offered more, no question.

[DrJockitch]

12 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I think Sutter will be fine as a fourth line center. He's good on faceoffs, and can be a headache to deal with defensively. His salary is far more commiserate to his worth now. The team is going to be markedly better than last year.

 

34 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

I'm sure all of us know he was overpaid for the offensive production, but your slant against Sutter for signing a 1 mill contract shows your bias. What about players like Thornton? Is it really true that he signed hometown discounts because that's all he was worth? Come on.

 

Edler, who obviously plays a different position than Sutter, got 3.5 mill, despite the tough year that he had. My comparison here is that veteran players will always have some value around the league beyond 1mill. Add to the fact that Sutter is the best FO man for this price range, Sutter could've signed for more.

 

What about players like Schenn, who have won 2 cups? He could've just gotten a retirement contract, but he signed for less than 1 mill again.

 

 

I agree he has value as a fourth line centre but that does no good when you are in the training room, not on the ice.  

I don't blame a player for their injuries, unless it is due to a general lack of professionalism, which I don't think is the case here.

You also can't deny his history here and that is that he is more likely going to not be on the ice than on it.

Despite what was said above about my bias, the reason I wanted him gone was part of the greater culture change.  Benning changed a third of the NHL team here and this was a chance to say to EP and Quinn, out with the old and we are building around you.  I just feel like Sutter is one of the biggest representations of what hasn't worked for Benning and would have preferred to cut bait there as part of that greater shift.  It isn't about the on-ice contributions he has made in the occasions he actually makes it on ice.  He has had a smattering of good games over the years.

This is a minor complaint though in the grand scheme of things and I agree this is a much better team this year.  Most of the cap problems are kicked down the road for a season or two and those shouldn't be an issue when we need to resign Bo, TJ, Hoglander and EP/QH coming off what are most likely going to be short bridge deals by financial necessity, right?

Edited August 5, 2021 by DrJockitch

[Dazzle]

Just now, DrJockitch said:

 

I agree he has value as a fourth line centre but that does no good when you are in the training room, not on the ice.  

I don't blame a player for their injuries, unless it is due to a general lack of professionalism, which I don't think is the case here.

You also can't deny his history here and that is that he is more likely going to not be on the ice than on it.

Despite what was said above about my bias, the reason I wanted him gone was part of the greater culture change.  Benning changed a third of the NHL team here and this was a chance to say to EP and Quinn, out with the old and we are building around you.  I just feel like Sutter is one of the biggest representations of what hasn't worked for Benning and would have preferred to cut bait there as part of that greater shift.  It isn't about the on-ice contributions he has made in the occasions he actually makes it on ice.  He has had a smattering of good games over the years.

What's wrong with a guy who has been said to be well liked in the locker room, who decided to sign for 1 million dollars?

 

You actually do sound like you don't appreciate Sutter. His old contract has no bearing on this new one. If he can do whatever he did last contract onto this one, which I'm sure he will, he's a steal.

 

Why are you finding something to gripe about here?

[PhillipBlunt]

8 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

 

I agree he has value as a fourth line centre but that does no good when you are in the training room, not on the ice.  

I don't blame a player for their injuries, unless it is due to a general lack of professionalism, which I don't think is the case here.

You also can't deny his history here and that is that he is more likely going to not be on the ice than on it.

Despite what was said above about my bias, the reason I wanted him gone was part of the greater culture change.  Benning changed a third of the NHL team here and this was a chance to say to EP and Quinn, out with the old and we are building around you.  I just feel like Sutter is one of the biggest representations of what hasn't worked for Benning and would have preferred to cut bait there as part of that greater shift.  It isn't about the on-ice contributions he has made in the occasions he actually makes it on ice.  He has had a smattering of good games over the years.

This is a minor complaint though in the grand scheme of things and I agree this is a much better team this year.  Most of the cap problems are kicked down the road for a season or two and those shouldn't be an issue when we need to resign Bo, TJ, Hoglander and EP/QH coming off what are most likely going to be short bridge deals by financial necessity, right?

Who knows how things will play out for Sutter, but it's only one year.

[kanucks25]

Logical part of me says this is a fine value signing. Center and veteran depth on the cheap.

 

On the other hand, Benning got rid of a lot of his baggage in one fell swoop with the Arizona trade. Sutter would be the last piece of that puzzle; kind of would have liked to see us move on for a "fresh" start.

[DrJockitch]

16 minutes ago, kanucks25 said:

Logical part of me says this is a fine value signing. Center and veteran depth on the cheap.

 

On the other hand, Benning got rid of a lot of his baggage in one fell swoop with the Arizona trade. Sutter would be the last piece of that puzzle; kind of would have liked to see us move on for a "fresh" start.

Exactly the point I have been making.

[J-P]

One thing I'll say about Sutter - and yes I'm not a fan of previous contract or deployment - is that except for a short stint with the twins where he couldn't really keep up he's never had a real playmaker on his line. Guy can definitely score although he's as mentioned a black hole when it comes to distributing the puck. 

 

If we don't think about 3rd line or 4th line a shutdown line with Motte - Dickinson - MacEwen and the other bottom six being Hogz - Sutter - Podz or Miller - Sutter - Hogz/Podz seems like a rock solid bottom six with some scoring punch.

 

 

[Spoosh]

I’ve not been the biggest fan of Brandon at any point. But at this time and where we are as a team, I feel that he fits in pretty well. At first I was hoping we would go in a different direction but ultimately this does feel like the right move right now. 
 

We have some quality depth at C and options as JB and Travis Green often talk about. Quality options in my view even if I’m wearing my Canucks-glasses 24/7 when I look at things.

 

His past history of injuries is what concerns me the most. Not his abilities or contract etc. If he can stay healthy for the year it would be one of the better contracts signed this offseason.

Edited August 6, 2021 by Spoosh
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[canucklehead44]

The guy went from 4.3 million to 1 million even though his play really hasn’t declined much. I feel like we overpaid him on his first contract for sure - was probably worth 2.5-3 before but now I would say he is worth about 1.75 so 1 million is a great deal. I’d we did 2 x 3 I would have been happy. 

[Dazzle]

18 hours ago, canucklehead44 said:

The guy went from 4.3 million to 1 million even though his play really hasn’t declined much. I feel like we overpaid him on his first contract for sure - was probably worth 2.5-3 before but now I would say he is worth about 1.75 so 1 million is a great deal. I’d we did 2 x 3 I would have been happy. 

He is basically trying to even out his previous contract. He can even get a nice raise too if he proves himself. Honestly, much of his poor success has been due to his injuries.

[Me_]

On 8/5/2021 at 11:09 AM, Millerdraft said:

Edmonton getting bounced in the 1st round year after year and in dire need of a defensive zone right handed faceoff specialist would have offered more, no question.

Class Sutter. Class.

[Me_]

On 8/5/2021 at 2:25 PM, J-P said:

One thing I'll say about Sutter - and yes I'm not a fan of previous contract or deployment - is that except for a short stint with the twins where he couldn't really keep up he's never had a real playmaker on his line. Guy can definitely score although he's as mentioned a black hole when it comes to distributing the puck. 

 

If we don't think about 3rd line or 4th line a shutdown line with Motte - Dickinson - MacEwen and the other bottom six being Hogz - Sutter - Podz or Miller - Sutter - Hogz/Podz seems like a rock solid bottom six with some scoring punch.

 

 

Miller on bottoms six duty.

 

Sometimes I wonder where people get their ideas……….

[J-P]

2 hours ago, Me_ said:

Miller on bottoms six duty.

 

Sometimes I wonder where people get their ideas……….

Does Tampa or Vegas really have a bottom six or is it just top 9? The concept of two scoring lines, one shutdown line and one checking/energy line is on its way out fast. 

 

Not saying six other forwards should have more ice time than Miller, but the point is that to have three good scoring lines someone who can produce offense needs to be on the third scoring line, can't just stack up on two lines. 

[Me_]

5 minutes ago, J-P said:

Does Tampa or Vegas really have a bottom six or is it just top 9? The concept of two scoring lines, one shutdown line and one checking/energy line is on its way out fast. 

 

Not saying six other forwards should have more ice time than Miller, but the point is that to have three good scoring lines someone who can produce offense needs to be on the third scoring line, can't just stack up on two lines. 

No.

[CanuckleHorse]

The only people who want us to move on from Sutter are McJebus fans the Canuck fans love that he makes that goal suck have fits.