[Signing] Canucks re-sign Jason Dickinson

[JM_]

9 minutes ago, Battlemonger said:

The only defensive weakness Dickenson has is his faceoff ability in the defensive zone. I can see Horvat still taking a lot of these faceoffs. Nonetheless, Dickenson's other defensive abilities are off the charts. He is in  the top 1% of all NHL defensive centers. So - a great signing, in my opinion.

that seems to be the one area needing a tweak.  He was at 46% last season all situations (https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20202021&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&v=p&playerid=8477450).

 

I'm hoping that this is something where Sutter might be able o give some tips on ways to squeeze out a few more face-off wins.

[TheRussianRocket1994]

2 hours ago, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said:

Screwed Business? 

Something for nothing?

Your partial and run on sentences make whatever your point is lost in translation because I never said anything about getting something for free or that I hated the contract for Dickinson, I just gave my reasons why JB is not a good GM, maybe head of scouting and assistant GM but the guy is signing old players to bad contracts that costed the Canucks not signing Boeser to long term contract and lost Tanev and Toffoli all because cap mismanagement. 

Ohhh...it's one of you people again going at Benning and ruining a perfectly good thread! Maybe the handful of you should take a break from here until the season starts...and if it continues beyond that, that would be even better! 

[Provost]

6 hours ago, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said:

I think Benning haters and Benning bros both agree that old Jimbo hit this one out of the park 

That is kind of a weird take.  
 

It was right at the estimated market value, so not sure how that is hitting it out of the park.

 

It is also just silly to try to divide people into “camps” of Benning haters and bros.  That is childish.  Almost everyone is more nuanced than that.  You can dislike some things he has done, be neutral on others, and like some.

[JM_]

4 minutes ago, Provost said:

That is kind of a weird take.  
 

It was right at the estimated market value, so not sure how that is hitting it out of the park.

 

It is also just silly to try to divide people into “camps” of Benning haters and bros.  That is childish.  Almost everyone is more nuanced than that.  You can dislike some things he has done, be neutral on others, and like some.

you're hoping for a lot. 

 

I think the hit it out of the park piece is justified tho, given the acquisition cost of getting a player like this that we really needed, and not overpaying either. 

 

Maybe just a gold star on the fridge if not a home run. 

[coryberg]

57 minutes ago, Battlemonger said:

The only defensive weakness Dickenson has is his faceoff ability in the defensive zone. I can see Horvat still taking a lot of these faceoffs. Nonetheless, Dickenson's other defensive abilities are off the charts. He is in  the top 1% of all NHL defensive centers. So - a great signing, in my opinion.

Sutter and Miller can share that load too.

[coryberg]

35 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

you're hoping for a lot. 

 

I think the hit it out of the park piece is justified tho, given the acquisition cost of getting a player like this that we really needed, and not overpaying either. 

 

Maybe just a gold star on the fridge if not a home run. 

Ground rule double

[Hairy Kneel]

50 minutes ago, IRR said:

Ohhh...it's one of you people again going at Benning and ruining a perfectly good thread! Maybe the handful of you should take a break from here until the season starts...and if it continues beyond that, that would be even better! 

 

[Wanless]

4 hours ago, IBatch said:

The "Sutter we ended up with", when he plays is usually on pace for 15- 20 goals, even last year ... that's not what Dickinson is.  

You're right

 

But WHEN he plays isn't good enough.

 

The biggest detriment to Sutter was he's injured and unreliable, but was always able to come back and play so he could just be replaced because of cap implications. 

 

 

[Schmutzhaken]

9 hours ago, Provost said:

All the comparable that were talked about for an arbitration were between $2.25-2.75 so this is right in the range.  Three years is a good term, long enough that we can see some benefit if he outplays his contract and we have him locked in a little while… not so long that we are tied to him.

 

I really hope this guy works out, the difference it would make to our team will be drastic.  Just like Kesler exploded when Malhotra came in, we need the same dynamic.  Horvat has had to play every situation and that takes away from focussing on one.  If Dickenson/Pearson and Sutter/Motte can play effective PK duos and be able to take checking duties and keep the opponents’ better lines to a draw… then Horvat’s line should be deadly against lesser competition and have career offensive years.

Bo will hit 30G this season. I can feel it. 

[TheRussianRocket1994]

8 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

 

Those that can't do the opposite of this! 

 

 

[King Heffy]

5 hours ago, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said:

I just don't like his judgement on UFA signings that cause cap problems, his inability to resign his own important players and the #1 reason why I don't think he is a very good GM is that it does not seem he or his hockey operations side has a 5 year plan but like a season to season outline.

But for Dickinson I just meant JB hit it out of the park in the trade and signing together as I was reading and hearing his camp wanted $3 Million if Canucks wanted to buy UFA years.

But I'm glad the Canucks don't have to resign Miller, Horvat, Höglander, Hamonic and Dickinson in the same offseason because Benning seems to have difficulty resigning multiple of his own free agents. 

Weird how he's successfully re-signed every single core player for the future, for reasonable contracts.  Which of the Horvat, Boeser, Demko contracts did you have a problem with?

[spook007]

4 hours ago, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said:

Screwed Business? 

Something for nothing?

Your partial and run on sentences make whatever your point is lost in translation because I never said anything about getting something for free or that I hated the contract for Dickinson, I just gave my reasons why JB is not a good GM, maybe head of scouting and assistant GM but the guy is signing old players to bad contracts that costed the Canucks not signing Boeser to long term contract and lost Tanev and Toffoli all because cap mismanagement. 

Fair enough, I'll try again...

 

The main reason w've missed the playoffs so often over the last 8 years, is the players were not good enough. 

This was the hand Benning was dealt, when he came in. 

Besides arguing about Bennings initial statement, that it could be turned around quickly, (Which I think maybe had owners finger prints on it, or maybe he really believed this), the team had to build through drafting. 

With Sedins falling over a cliff edge and Eriksson deciding to take up bench warming instead of hockey, there really wasn't much to do with.. 

Overpaid bottom players maybe, but plan was for them to ensure better working environment for the young players, as well as teaching them how to be a professional , as they were coming into the team. As a bottom feeder, they were always going cost $'s...

 

Now the youngsters have taken over, probably even faster than first anticipated, Benning has gotten rid of all the poor contracts in one sweep, while adding a top 6 player, and a top 2 D-man in the process. 

 

As I said shrewd business. This has gotten us a lot of decent players, Miller, Motte, Myers, Harmonic, Pearson and now Sutter (on his new contract). Also Halak, Poolman, Dickinson, Garland, OEL ( although the latter 5 has yet to be determined). The rest is drafted or very close to.... I'd say that is pretty well done...

 

So yes I think Benning has done good, and don't see which inability or difficulties he has shown, in resigning his own important players or which UFA signings that cause cap problems. 

 

Anyway, we all see things differently, and that's is the joy of sports... have a good day.

 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2021 by spook007

[Gawdzukes]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

you're hoping for a lot. 

 

I think the hit it out of the park piece is justified tho, given the acquisition cost of getting a player like this that we really needed, and not overpaying either. 

 

Maybe just a gold star on the fridge if not a home run. 

I can't believe we're at the point where we have to make sure we qualify our enjoyment properly for the fans that hate Benning. On a Canucks fan site nonetheless. 

[JM_]

3 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

I can't believe we're at the point where we have to make sure we qualify our enjoyment properly for the fans that hate Benning. On a Canucks fan site nonetheless. 

we're a big tent site. 

[BPA]

4 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

I can't believe we're at the point where we have to make sure we qualify our enjoyment properly for the fans that hate Benning. On a Canucks fan site nonetheless. 

Naw.

 

I just think some are hoping the Dickinson thread surpasses the Poolman thread.

 

Only 100 pages to go.

 

[Gawdzukes]

6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

we're a big tent site. 

haha too many open flaps

 

[UKNuck96]

15 hours ago, wildcam said:

Rathbone will come out flying, elite skater and hockey smarts...# 4 D man by December..So much skill...

Yep but read last off season and people had him on the scrap heap and Rafferty in the show. Yet when anyone pointed out it’s likely the be the other way due to the development curve for Rathbone and his ability to read the game at an elite level people scoffed.

[bishopshodan]

5 hours ago, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said:

Screwed Business? 

Something for nothing?

Your partial and run on sentences make whatever your point is lost in translation because I never said anything about getting something for free or that I hated the contract for Dickinson, I just gave my reasons why JB is not a good GM, maybe head of scouting and assistant GM but the guy is signing old players to bad contracts that costed the Canucks not signing Boeser to long term contract and lost Tanev and Toffoli all because cap mismanagement. 

[Dirtman]

People can say what they will but this has been a much needed off season after last year's UFA and disastrous season.

 

We should be very excited for next year.

[oldnews]

15 hours ago, Wanless said:

Sure

 

But Sutter quickly showed that he was a great 3rd line center at best but really was just an average 3 line center with good faceoff ability.

 

I'm not comparing the Sutter we signed but the Sutter we ended up with

well - players get injured.  that's the risk and reality, particularly of playing hard minutes at the NHL level.

Nothing wrong with the acquisition - or the signing - it was simply a matter of bad fortune for Sutter - and therefore, not really fair - a hindsight revisionism to be expecting him to live/limp up to that contract while sustaining serious shoulder injuries, etc.