CaptKirk888 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 6 hours ago, Attila Umbrus said: I think you're right, i'm just thinking Benning could capitalize on NJD thinking that they will be building one. I'm a fan of Hughes but with the emergence of Rathbone i'd be comfortable with it. Especially if the return is juicy! Jack played 8 NHL games at the end of a poor and very different season for Van. He did well, but I don’t think it’s enough of a sample to consider it an emergence. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 3 hours ago, DeNiro said: Hopefully the holdup is that they’re trying to work on longer term deals. Short bridge deals really shouldn’t take that long. It has been my experience as a hockey fan for 45+ years that higher profile player’s contracts take longer regardless of term. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 I don't care what they pay them or for how long, just get 'er done and drop the puck The waiting is the hardest part 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 hour ago, CaptKirk888 said: Jack played 8 NHL games at the end of a poor and very different season for Van. He did well, but I don’t think it’s enough of a sample to consider it an emergence. For sure, I see your point. But I watched every AHL game of his too. I was shocked how he just come in and made an instant impact. Then goes up to the NHL and does the same exact thing. I’m pretty sold on him. I’ve watched a lot of defensemen come and go in utica and he is no doubt by far the best. And I love his instant chemistry with Jet Woo. In the end it is too early to tell tho and I think it’s prudent to keep both unless like I said they make us an offer we can’t refuse. Which isn’t gonna happen anyways. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said: I don't care what they pay them or for how long, just get 'er done and drop the puck The waiting is the hardest part Haha too true, every August is like watching paint dry hockey wise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fanfor42 Posted August 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2021 QH is a huge talent. He was drafted 7th OA and has only played 2 years with the Canucks. He is not underperforming. He has huge offensive output. Anyone thinking about a trade should pause and think when was the last time in the history of the league that someone who has performed at this level has been traded 2 years into their careers? Silly. Doesn't happen and won't happen. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 6 hours ago, nux_win said: Shhh. I agree, but don't let the secret out. I mean I like Hughes, a lot, and I want him to stay a Canuck, but if NJ wants to sell the farm to have all the Hughes in one basket, I say let them. GCG! unless u have hughes locked up to a long term contract NJ have no rush to trade for Quinn.. if we sign him to a bridge.. he can literally just go salary arbritration after the bridge till he goes to UFA with any team even if we trade him if he really desires to go to NJD to play with his bros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 5 hours ago, CaptKirk888 said: It has been my experience as a hockey fan for 45+ years that higher profile player’s contracts take longer regardless of term. contract hold ups are held up by one thing...GREEDY AGENTS! Players should represent themselves imo, contracts aren't that hard to figure out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 59 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: contract hold ups are held up by one thing...GREEDY AGENTS! Players should represent themselves imo, contracts aren't that hard to figure out. lol it's like the player have no say in this right? the team offer so and so to players and the agent will decline on the players behalf or secretly not informing the players of said offers? they can only give advise etc etc. at the end of the day the players have the final say in whether sign or not sign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 9 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: lol it's like the player have no say in this right? the team offer so and so to players and the agent will decline on the players behalf or secretly not informing the players of said offers? they can only give advise etc etc. at the end of the day the players have the final say in whether sign or not sign. Pretty much the same thing as real estate agents. Technically we don't need one. We just need someone to schedule and do showings along with access to a database of in market comparables. However, it is a big life decision so the industry continues to thrive as we feel better going in and using an agent. (sorry to the real estate agents out there) I'm not knocking what you do. Many friends of mine are realtors. I just see it as a flawed system. Lots of home inspectors are recommended by your real estate agent and so, it's in their best interest that an inspection passes which seems like a conflict of interest as home inspectors rely on referrals from the realtor... If I had the stones to do it, I would be my own agent and then hire an HVAC, plumber and electrical and a structural engineer for my home inspection rather than a jack of all trades home inspector who is referred by the realtor... Ofcourse I'm not in a hot market like Vancouver though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 10 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: lol it's like the player have no say in this right? the team offer so and so to players and the agent will decline on the players behalf or secretly not informing the players of said offers? they can only give advise etc etc. at the end of the day the players have the final say in whether sign or not sign. Cheers absolutely right. The only reason agents exists in the first place is down to all the GM's trying to undercut players wages. Its that simple. The agents have a finger on the pulse, and know, what marked value is, just like the GM's... Its a game of cat and mouse, but in the end if the player agrees to any sort of deal, its his decision and very oittle the agent can do then. I hate agents as much as anyone ( Mino Raiola, who is the agent for Paul Pogba amongst others, id the slimiest of them all, greasy bastard), but in the end they just work for the players, and if the players wants to sign for any sum, they can do so at any time... So its the players and not the agents folks should look towards. Agents just try to get the best deal for their clients just like real estate agents and solicitors/ lawyers etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: lol it's like the player have no say in this right? the team offer so and so to players and the agent will decline on the players behalf or secretly not informing the players of said offers? they can only give advise etc etc. at the end of the day the players have the final say in whether sign or not sign. While an understandable statement, I don't think it quite works this way. Especially for younger players. These guys rely on the agents' expertise to get them the most possible money. It's the agents that worry about how much cap a team may have, what alternate options are, or how to approach the negotiations. I imagine there's a lot of players who are advised by their agent to not get too involved in the process, and to focus on playing hockey. Naturally, it's the player's option as to how involved they get, regardless of the advice from the agent. It's like bringing your car to a mechanic. Sure, you COULD do it yourself, but you leave it to the experts. Then the expert calls you and tells you that you need new brakes and catalytic convertors, and that they recommend replacing both. The owner then makes a decision if they choose to listen to the mechanic, or go against the mechanic's suggestions. More often than not, people listen to the mechanic. Edited August 26, 2021 by kloubek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 22 hours ago, tas said: people knocking down quinn's ceiling after his 2nd pro season, a season with about 12 asterisks next to it, is pretty funny. I don't think anyone is knocking his ceiling. To me that's Phil Housley but doubt he scores half the goals he did unless he's completely unleashed and starts going to the net (which .... never happens really). To me Brian Campbell is the best of the most recent small PMDs... he was actually a game breaker, could control the pace of games but didn't have the same offensive ceiling QHs has. If QHs can play the game as well as he could, and put up the points (which is PGP at some point likely) then we've got us a HHOF D in the making. If not then we'll he still is a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 On 8/25/2021 at 11:22 AM, stawns said: I'd probably do two of those three deals, maybe all three. I like Hughes, but he's not the elite dman people think he is, imo He's an elite PMD power play specialist so far. Deadly 3 x 3 too. That's a good point to start from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 16 hours ago, fanfor42 said: QH is a huge talent. He was drafted 7th OA and has only played 2 years with the Canucks. He is not underperforming. He has huge offensive output. Anyone thinking about a trade should pause and think when was the last time in the history of the league that someone who has performed at this level has been traded 2 years into their careers? Silly. Doesn't happen and won't happen. This is true. But he's not worth 8 x 8 either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, IBatch said: He's an elite PMD power play specialist so far. Deadly 3 x 3 too. That's a good point to start from. He's also currently a bit if a defensive liability and he's just one guy. Holtz is a blue chip sniper, Boqvist is a very promising player and the first will likely be a lottery pick. Again, it'll never happen, but I'd be fine if it did. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, stawns said: He's also currently a bit if a defensive liability and he's just one guy. Holtz is a blue chip sniper, Boqvist is a very promising player and the first will likely be a lottery pick. Again, it'll never happen, but I'd be fine if it did. Hey no disagreements here. Seems i'm constantly reminding some CDCers we've had other excellent defenseman before but for whatever reason, two short years and one bubble run and QHs is already crowned the best. Reinhardt was better with one knee. Sure he was in his prime but it's true. Jovo was no slouch either, a regular in the top 6-10 in Norris voting, had a great Olympics. And old timers can talk about Lanz or McCarthy. Lidster ... well he had one great year with us. Lumme, Ohlund had more. Defenseman literally has the word, defense in it. Edit: As of right now - Paul Reinhardt is 6th all time in regular PGP and 4th in playoffs. QHs ... won't ever surpass that. Edited August 26, 2021 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therodigy Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 With the new $62 million signings of both Svechnikov and Couturier, does anyone else like the idea of $7.75 x 8 for Petey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 25 minutes ago, therodigy said: With the new $62 million signings of both Svechnikov and Couturier, does anyone else like the idea of $7.75 x 8 for Petey? I am just hoping that it means Petterson’s hunger starts with an 8 instead of a 9. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 45 minutes ago, Provost said: I am just hoping that it means Petterson’s hunger starts with an 8 instead of a 9. 70 mil over 8 years? lots of bonus money? would he really say no to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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