Robin Lehner Makes Some Serious Accusations

[Thrillhaus]

1 hour ago, 250Integra said:

AV eh? So is that what happened when the Canucks hired “sleep doctors” during our most successful era?

 

 

 

[butters]

3 minutes ago, UKNuck96 said:

Lehrer has known bipolar issues as the way these are being posted leads me to believe he is going through a manic episode.

 

 

that said I also don’t discredit what he is saying because of the above and the accusations should be taken seriously.

 

Its also going to be interesting in the lead up to the 2022 olympics as the players going to that will be subject to Wada testing throughout this season, and the criteria isn’t the nhl list but the Wada list so I would not be surprised if more players were injured this season and for longer because of the specific drugs they will be avoiding.

 

 

I'm no expert on bipolar, but I did live with a bipolar person for 3 years. I know what her relationship was like with reality during a manic episode. And I know that her status as a bipolar person meant that people routinely dismiss their legitimate claims. Personally I see no reason to discount his story. Like any claims they ought to be verified of course. 

[Locke Lamora]

Imagine having your goaltending hopes resting upon this dude. They better hope that Brossoit is a capable option.

 

 

[grandmaster]

Lehner seems a bit unhinged here and risks being suspended by the league. I’m sure there is a clause somewhere that forbids players from publicly criticizing the NHL in this fashion. Takes a lot of “courage” but I’m sure his team and fans wouldn’t be so happy if gets removed from the team. 
 

I have concern about him throwing 3rd hand information. This is not always reliable. The players themselves who have or had these issues are the ones who need to press these issues. There are other avenues for such grievances.  Not this public display of hearsay, rumour or gossip. This isn’t how a professional league is run. I wouldn’t blame them if they suspended him. 

[King Heffy]

14 minutes ago, grandmaster said:

Lehner seems a bit unhinged here and risks being suspended by the league. I’m sure there is a clause somewhere that forbids players from publicly criticizing the NHL in this fashion. Takes a lot of “courage” but I’m sure his team and fans wouldn’t be so happy if gets removed from the team. 
 

I have concern about him throwing 3rd hand information. This is not always reliable. The players themselves who have or had these issues are the ones who need to press these issues. There are other avenues for such grievances.  Not this public display of hearsay, rumour or gossip. This isn’t how a professional league is run. I wouldn’t blame them if they suspended him. 

Burrows got a small fine for exposing Auger's criminal behaviour, although he should have won the Masterton instead.  The league will get absolutely torched if they suspend Lehner.

Edited October 3, 2021 by King Heffy

[Nuxfanabroad]

Only scrolled first page, so far - so maybe it's already been said.

 

But I think of people like Rypien. Or remember what happened to Andrew Alberts? This league has used violence, and/or lousy officiating to either/both drum up interest, & control or rig outcomes.

 

He's gonna run into a nasty wall here, but I appreciate what RL is trying to do. I raise my glass to the man.

[UKNuck96]

34 minutes ago, butters said:

I'm no expert on bipolar, but I did live with a bipolar person for 3 years. I know what her relationship was like with reality during a manic episode. And I know that her status as a bipolar person meant that people routinely dismiss their legitimate claims. Personally I see no reason to discount his story. Like any claims they ought to be verified of course. 

I’m with you on that - just because it looks like a manic episode and even if it is doesn’t discount the validity at all. 
 

 

[Hogs & Podz]

39 minutes ago, Locke Lamora said:

Imagine having your goaltending hopes resting upon this dude. They better hope that Brossoit is a capable option.

 

 

I'd go to battle with a guy like that any day....  Because I know he'll jave my back... Period.

He's speaking his mind.  If there has been some shady, potentially harmful actions done by your employer, are you one to just put your head down and stay silent?  Not a judgment if that's your personality, but don't judge those that wish to speak up and fight for what they deem is right.  Its not a professional environment if there is some unprofessional actions being taken by our employer period. 

So it makes some uncomfortable... Oh well, standing up and exposing wrongdoing isn't a bad thing as far as I'm concerned. 

I commend him... Especially because he's still in the league and willing to stand for his beliefs even if it threatens his career... Some would call this dumb... I call it showing how to be a role model.

Edited October 3, 2021 by Hogs & Podz

[4petesake]

30 minutes ago, grandmaster said:

Lehner seems a bit unhinged here and risks being suspended by the league. I’m sure there is a clause somewhere that forbids players from publicly criticizing the NHL in this fashion. Takes a lot of “courage” but I’m sure his team and fans wouldn’t be so happy if gets removed from the team. 
 

I have concern about him throwing 3rd hand information. This is not always reliable. The players themselves who have or had these issues are the ones who need to press these issues. There are other avenues for such grievances.  Not this public display of hearsay, rumour or gossip. This isn’t how a professional league is run. I wouldn’t blame them if they suspended him. 

The only part of the story that I have a problem with is the way that it’s presented. Sort of like “free Jack Eichel or I’ll tell all.” Lehner did play for the Sabres so he may well have first-hand knowledge but nevertheless if his accusations are legitimate they need to be dealt with no matter what happens with Eichel. Nothing ever changes in the NHL when it’s kept private in the boardrooms. Hell let’s be honest, even when it’s aired out in public it rarely leads to any concrete changes.

[Quantum]

I love Lehner. He's been on the right side of history for awhile now. The NHL is such a league of conformity that it's nice to see players break that mold. We need more of that. If players don't start speaking out about issues they are passionate about, we'll keep having situations like the Jalen Smereck racist incident, Mitchell Miller situation, Logan Mailloux snafu, Chicago Blackhawks sex abuse scandal etc.

 

In the case of the NHL, where there's smoke, there is usually fire. We'll see what gets unearthed.

[bigbadcanucks]

56 minutes ago, grandmaster said:

Lehner seems a bit unhinged here and risks being suspended by the league. I’m sure there is a clause somewhere that forbids players from publicly criticizing the NHL in this fashion. Takes a lot of “courage” but I’m sure his team and fans wouldn’t be so happy if gets removed from the team. 
 

I have concern about him throwing 3rd hand information. This is not always reliable. The players themselves who have or had these issues are the ones who need to press these issues. There are other avenues for such grievances.  Not this public display of hearsay, rumour or gossip. This isn’t how a professional league is run. I wouldn’t blame them if they suspended him. 

Daniel Carcillo has.  But at every turn, he's been dismissed. 

 

NHL owners/management?PA leadership has been mistreating its players since the beginning of time (re: Ted Lindsay vs. Norris family; re: Alan Eagleson, the fraudulent crook who stole from his members). 

 

Now, complete denial by Bettmann and the NHL establishment of issues such as chronic traumatic encephalopathy and other long term health issues. Guys like Joe Murphy don't end up on the streets as a homeless man, premature deaths of Rypper/Belak/Montador/Boogaard/Probert/el. al. don't occur without head trauma that go untreated.

 

As much as I didn't/don't like Carcillo, Kesler and Lehner as players, what they say NEED to be taken seriously and acted upon by the powers to be. 

 

I'm a true capitalist at heart and often side with the owners on CBA matters, but I am 1,000% behind what Lehner says and I hope he blows the lid off all the NHL cover ups.

 

Remember how vilified Mike Gillis was when he shut down Manny Malhotra because he was nearly steamrolled upon his return from his eye injury (I was at the game vs. the Flames where I literally saw Flames players back off from Malhotra because of his injury)?  Love him or hate him, the NHL needs more GMs who care about players as much as Gillis (apologies to those who think this is a Gillis thread).

[Ghostsof1915]

13 minutes ago, bigbadcanucks said:

Daniel Carcillo has.  But at every turn, he's been dismissed. 

 

NHL owners/management?PA leadership has been mistreating its players since the beginning of time (re: Ted Lindsay vs. Norris family; re: Alan Eagleson, the fraudulent crook who stole from his members). 

 

Now, complete denial by Bettmann and the NHL establishment of issues such as chronic traumatic encephalopathy and other long term health issues. Guys like Joe Murphy don't end up on the streets as a homeless man, premature deaths of Rypper/Belak/Montador/Boogaard/Probert/el. al. don't occur without head trauma that go untreated.

 

As much as I didn't/don't like Carcillo, Kesler and Lehner as players, what they say NEED to be taken seriously and acted upon by the powers to be. 

 

I'm a true capitalist at heart and often side with the owners on CBA matters, but I am 1,000% behind what Lehner says and I hope he blows the lid off all the NHL cover ups.

 

Remember how vilified Mike Gillis was when he shut down Manny Malhotra because he was nearly steamrolled upon his return from his eye injury (I was at the game vs. the Flames where I literally saw Flames players back off from Malhotra because of his injury)?  Love him or hate him, the NHL needs more GMs who care about players as much as Gillis (apologies to those who think this is a Gillis thread).

Wasn't it more of he didn't want to play Manny after the eye injury than anything? Which was I think showed some compassion from Gillis. Yes Manny said he was ok to play. But as a GM I think he had every right to be concerned about his player. Which is odd because he sure liked crucifying Hodgson. 

[bigbadcanucks]

1 minute ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Wasn't it more of he didn't want to play Manny after the eye injury than anything? Which was I think showed some compassion from Gillis. Yes Manny said he was ok to play. But as a GM I think he had every right to be concerned about his player. Which is odd because he sure liked crucifying Hodgson. 

Yes...that is what I was implying/trying to get across.  Thanks for clarifying, @Ghostsof1915.  And as far as Hodgson was concerned, I think everything he got from the Canucks organization was well-deserved.

 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, bigbadcanucks said:

Yes...that is what I was implying/trying to get across.  Thanks for clarifying, @Ghostsof1915.  And as far as Hodgson was concerned, I think everything he got from the Canucks organization was well-deserved.

 

Cody had an undiagnosed muscle wasting disease.  That’s why, as AV said:  “Cody had no pop in his legs”.  Cody was literally wasting away.  It was only when he got to Nashville the doctors picked up on his illness, and got him to the right specialists.  

[bigbadcanucks]

5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Cody had an undiagnosed muscle wasting disease.  That’s why, as AV said:  “Cody had no pop in his legs”.  Cody was literally wasting away.  It was only when he got to Nashville the doctors picked up on his illness, and got him to the right specialists.  

All that is true, but it didn't stop Hodgson and his camp from making demands that was characterized by Gillis as someone "who he had to spend an inordinate amount of time dealing with (paraphrasing)".

 

Maybe Hodgson is one of the players that was forced pills by Vigneault when he had his misdiagnosed back injury (disclaimer: speculative chatter on my part).

[butters]

2 hours ago, Locke Lamora said:

Imagine having your goaltending hopes resting upon this dude. They better hope that Brossoit is a capable option.

 

 

He's an NHL goalie, and got there with the same brain he has now.

[Locke Lamora]

1 minute ago, butters said:

He's an NHL goalie, and got there with the same brain he has now.

I’m not ever going to diminish the challenges of mental illness, but to deal with that issue as Lehner does while also appearing to be a conspiracy theorist, and then you add the pressures of being an NHL goaltender…well, it’s playing out right in front of us.

[butters]

49 minutes ago, Locke Lamora said:

I’m not ever going to diminish the challenges of mental illness, but to deal with that issue as Lehner does while also appearing to be a conspiracy theorist, and then you add the pressures of being an NHL goaltender…well, it’s playing out right in front of us.

the parts of him that make him a conspiracy theorist have always been there, as has the pressures of being an NHL goaltender. And the issues he brought up were not new either.

 

What played out in front of us was him speaking publicly about it on twitter. Haven't seen him falter in net since the tweets as it only happened yesterday.

[Canuck Luck]

5 hours ago, King Heffy said:

The league has no integrity.  See the continued employment of Colin Campbell after written proof of his corruption, and Sutherland and Lee not facing consequences for obvious match-fixing.  The league did this to itself.

 

I would say not a single billion dollar business on this planet has integrity...the NHL included. Billionaires are inherently corrupt.

[PetterssonOrPeterson]

I never really took Lehner seriously. He comes off as a little diva that talks big game even though he hasn't won a thing. 

 

If these accusations are true, then they should be accounted for. However, it looks a lot like a drunken twitter tirade and I wouldn't be surprised if it was.