whcanuck Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 A lot of posters keep saying “we have too much talent to be underperforming this much.” Is there a chance we don’t have nearly as much talent as once thought? I’m beginning to think we just might not be that good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 27 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: Yes but Desjarfins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 11 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Benning built an NHL playoff team that should be able to compete against the best teams in the league. Green is doing his best to make sure we are in the lottery again next year... Yeah kinda feels like Green sabotaging the rookies and prospects. With his waiver wire guys. I have felt Green doesn't click with JB at all. In player deployment. Especially losing young prospects. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, mll said: Demko to thank. The story of the past couple of seasons. They often allow more chances against than they generate, but have high end goaltending (before Markstrom and now Demko) and players who have above average finishing skills who can capitalise on the fewer chances they get. Kaprizov and Fiala didn’t look that dangerous to me but we couldn’t seem to get anything going and the dangerous chances went in the net. Wasn’t really a game where Demko held us in imo. The lack of drive and crisp passes was our downfall. These fancy stats they have nowadays don’t seem to tell the whole truth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: Yeah kinda feels like Green sabotaging the rookies and prospects. With his waiver wire guys. I have felt Green doesn't click with JB at all. In player deployment. Especially losing young prospects. player deployment is a great keyword, thank you. At least Coach Green is using the full range of options.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 9 hours ago, Timråfan said: Interesting because that was one thing the proBenning people on here talked about. I didn’t fact check them back then. They praised Benning because he had fixed the depth with Utica. How the team plays in AHL is completely irrelevant. It’s just a feeder club for the Canucks so focus should be development, not winning. I think providing an environment where young players learn to win is also really important. At the expense of development? No. But they need to attempt to balance that as much as possible. Winning at the expense of developing the young Canucks? No. Win with the young players that are being developed by the organization. Lose a few games, make those teaching sessions, so that players like Silovs, Dipiertro, Woo, Lockwood, etc, etc., all are getting better with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 For the PP let's try Myers as a net front presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
204CanucksFan Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 I don't really mind our powerplay this season. Yes , it's been fairly static but it's hard to argue with a PP that is converting at almost 25%, I think the potential is there for it to be one of the best in the league but I also think that the easiest thing to fix on it is to simply balance out the personnel. They discussed this at length during the game on 650 last night and I agree with them. The biggest problem is that PP1 has Hughes, Miller, Pettersson and Horvat on it and all four of those players are left handed shots. When you run a 1-3-1 powerplay and the 1 on top and the 3 across the middle are all the same handedness it severely limits the passing options for attacking team. It also allows the PKers to focus on certain players, passing lanes and positions on the ice as they know they don't have to respect certain lanes because even if a pass gets through that lane the player receiving the pass is not a threat because they have to take it on the backhand. The easiest fix for this would keep Chiasson in the net front position because despite all the hate for it he has proven to be adequately effective in that role and then sub out one of either Horvat or Miller for Boeser or Garland. I think I personally would go with subbing out Horvat for Boeser as that basically reunites the Lotto Line on PP1 and puts Horvat with Garland on PP2 and both of those combos have demonstrated good chemistry with each other, it also keeps the lines together for less line blending after a PP as players recover. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogy Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, Wolfgang Durst said: player deployment is a great keyword, thank you. At least Coach Green is using the full range of options.... That is how Travis Green perceived Pettersson's game, weak and slow, so he tried Pettersson with 2 bigger guys, one of which can actually skate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertuzzi44fan Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 32 minutes ago, Beary Sweet said: Tough loss last night. Nothing was really going our way. Chiasson scored our lone goal. We played a solid team game but just didn’t generate enough chances when we needed it most. On to the next one. GCG! lost 3-2 bud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax- Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 hour ago, EternalCanuckFan said: I'll preface my comments by saying that I'm not a big Green fan, have my concerns, and wouldn't mind a coaching change. I'm not clamoring for a coaching change however. At the risk of seeming like I'm just making excuses for the team, I think what the Canucks are going through is something all teams go through. Every team faces a challenge of being ready for a game, especially after the first game after a long road trip. They are dealing with injuries just like all teams and their stars are experiencing slumps just like the stars of other teams do from time to time. As far as a league average experience, I think the Canucks are basically just going through what the average team does. They have had below average results partly as a factor of lack of depth of talent. The other part of the below average results is tougher to pin down - is it the make-up of the on-ice personnel or the coaches? Theoretically speaking, coaches can devise the best systems in the world but if the on-ice personnel cannot execute those systems, then it doesn't really matter how good those systems are. The corollary is true too with coaches having terrible systems with great on-ice personnel who execute those systems but still get negative results because the systems are ineffective. As far as on-ice personnel go, I think there's no doubt that the Canucks have the most depth of talent in their lineup than they have had in many years, outside of the thinner depth on D. What seems to be consistently lacking, IMHO, is what appears to be a lack of urgency from the players. Is that the system or is it the players? The roster has seen considerable upheaval over the last few seasons, yet the problem remains. IMHO, I think what might be an issue is that Green's coaching style and systems just may not be that consistently effective with the core of this team, for whatever reason. I don't think there's any disdain between coaching and players, but there might just not be a fit. We might get spurts of excellence, but until something clicks so that the players are showing up at puck drop with urgency more often than they aren't, I suspect we might see more of the middling performances that have been more common over the last few years. It would not surprise me that if the Canucks were to fire Green, he will find success elsewhere in the league. It happens often enough in this league. Rick Bowness has had success with Tampa and Dallas, Mike Sullivan with Pittsburgh, etc. I don't think the team needs a guy like Torts but when Quenneville and Gallant were available, it seemed like an opportunity to bring in a more experienced coach with a proven ability to maximize the play of a variety of rosters filled with various personalities (although in the case of Quenneville, perhaps a good thing we passed). Green might get there someday, but unless something clicks with the Canucks, that day may have to come elsewhere. Again, I'm not calling for Green to be fired. At this point I think it depends on how much longer management wants to give Green and his staff a chance to get this team playing consistently at the level they need to be at to not be an average to below average team in this league. Some very well though out comments Imho I also feel our top line guys are not executing, systems aside, just no where near good enough. They need to take part responsibility, it's not all on the coach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taphouse Canuck Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 I thought the whole evening was a downer yesterday, starting with the opening ceremony. Acknowledging first nations' land claims and fighting the pandemic with vaccines and masks may be pressing social issues but they have no place at a hockey game, where people go to be entertained and to escape their everyday lives. Why not have a video about homelessness and deaths from drug overdoses as well, then the crowd can be really depressed. The muted cheers from the crowd seemed to get to the players, who put in a lacklustre performance. Where was the energy that we all expected and hoped for on opening night, with fans in the building for the first time in ages? All in all a very forgettable event. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax- Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: Yeah kinda feels like Green sabotaging the rookies and prospects. With his waiver wire guys. I have felt Green doesn't click with JB at all. In player deployment. Especially losing young prospects. Seriously? Sabotaging the rookies? Good lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Just now, Ajax- said: Seriously? Sabotaging the rookies? Good lord Actually losing Gadj, Mac and OJ I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Ajax- said: Seriously? Sabotaging the rookies? Good lord That's possibly the best possible way to describe subjecting them to the gross incompetence of a clown like Baumgartner. We need to send Rathbone to the AHL so he recieves proper coaching, but can't due to Green's mishandling of OJ. Edited October 27, 2021 by King Heffy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Taphouse Canuck said: I thought the whole evening was a downer yesterday Started out great at first IMO, with the dual rockers jamming some AC/DC, introducing the players. But they seemed to take it too far. The Dr. began his speech and on it went, and I was thinking "dude, just sing the anthem". I was hoping for more crowd noise, like SEA. Maybe it's allowed there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax- Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Just now, Hairy Kneel said: Actually losing Gadj, Mac and OJ I meant. We didn't loose OJ, we traded him remember? You said sabotage by GREEN Mac was given every opportunity to stick, he did not have a good year last year nor a good camp. You cannot blame the coach. Gadj to me is the only that got away and JB rolled the dice. Let's see how he develops ELSE were, imho he is not NHL ready and needs more development Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax- Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, King Heffy said: That's possibly the best possible way to describe subjecting them to the gross incompetence of a clown like Baumgartner. Wow Well your certainly consistent in your name calling and coach bashing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Ajax- said: We didn't loose OJ, we traded him remember? You said sabotage by GREEN Mac was given every opportunity to stick, he did not have a good year last year nor a good camp. You cannot blame the coach. Gadj to me is the only that got away and JB rolled the dice. Let's see how he develops ELSE were, imho he is not NHL ready and needs more development Just watching the 3rd period. Green has no idea how to coach puck pursuit. The type of forwards he kept over Gadj have no interest in going into the boards and fight a hard board battle. Green likes his fast older 'dependable' vets. But those guys will skate to the player but mostly concede the puck. Chiasson usually gets there a week late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Maddogy said: It wasn't that bad. It was not like Florida or Tampa scoring goals against the Canucks at will. Minnesota was the better team but Fiala and Kaprizov were checked effectively. True, but sometimes getting lit up on the scoreboard helps a team refocus and recognize their poor play. My issue with last nights game wasn't the score. It was the complete lack of emotion, compete, push back, effort etc. If you lose 6-1 the entire team, coaching staff and GM know what happened. When you lose 3-2 sometimes you walk away with the wrong attitude. Thinking, well we almost had 'em.... which they did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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