John.Tallhouse Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 1 minute ago, JM_ said: that beats being pissed off for 60 minutes per night and how much longer the afterglow lasts. I'm tired of watching the way the team is being deployed as well. If it doesn't change soon, I might cancel my SN Now and pick up the AHL package and enjoy watching Klimovich develop. That’ll learn em’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: And that eventually happens with all coaches. Right now the line blender starts very early in games but you never see Pearson without Horvat. That limits what should be a very flexible top 6. Pearson needing to be with Horvat is Green’s kryptonite. Garland, Hoglander, hell even Podkolzin should be top 6 ahead of Pearson especially on a team struggling to generate offense. Trying to balance every line to do all things rather than carving out roles for lines is a huge weakness of these coaches. That’s why we see Highmore getting offensive shifts, etc. No actual role based on their actual strengths, just based on what Green hopes they can be. He is incredibly biased and it’s clouded his judgment too far now to get back to objectivity. Yeah; and the players (for the most part) know the hierarchy in the locker room. Sucks for some and gravy for others; no real accountability, rather only a false one at it. Edited October 31, 2021 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Coconuts Posted October 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2021 3 hours ago, rekker said: I see JT's days numbered as I think Pods will claim his job eventually. Maybe, but Podz won't be able to take steps forward without more ice time and he hasn't been getting that under Green. Practice and training are great, but there's no substitute for in game experience. 1 hour ago, PhillipBlunt said: They added Coleman, Gudbranson, and a couple of other players. Sutter is a winning coach who knows how to develop a culture and identity and get the players to work within the framework of it. He’s won two Stanley Cups for a reason. Calgary plays a solid team game with everyone contributing. They’re going to be in the mix for a playoff spot, and will be a headache to deal with. Green doesn’t have anywhere near Sutter’s experience or knowledge and it shows. The Canucks are a team with no real identity or culture. They look cool when they walk in their suits, so maybe that’s the culture? On the ice, they chase the play, make errant passes, and struggle to get the puck out of their own end. Over an 82 game season, that’s good for a lottery pick. This team is in limbo and I think it’ll take more than just Travis Hamonic returning to get them out of it. Sutter's two cups. Yes, LA eventually tuned him out and basically mutinied, but those Kings teams were great. Losing Voynov hurt them more than they probably cared to admit. Sutter's entire player identity was outworking other players to make up for his lack of skill, that was the Sutter brother way in general. I can't remember which one of them it was, but they said that none of them were particularly talented, they just made up for it with effort. That shows in Sutter's coaching style. You know what you're getting from a Sutter team, for better or worse. This Green lead group still lacks a firm identity going on five years. I've heard "we want to be tough to play against" over and over throughout his tenure and we don't look it more often than not. 1 hour ago, JM_ said: Julien is probably a better option than Bruce B, just because of his record. Might be hard for Canucks fans to take tho. Other than Julien, is there an experienced coach out there with a ring? Torts but that would be bizarre. Did work for the Yankees tho. Honestly, I'd consider Julien at this point. But I'd consider Boudreau as well. Yeah, Julien coached the team that beat us, but it's been over a decade now. If the team had success under him a lot of that old enmity would likely melt away, not all of of it, but a lot. 1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Interesting that he's having a rebound year. Same with Schmidt. I miss Holtby, I'm glad he's doing better. Not surprised that players who've left have gone on to do better. 54 minutes ago, gurn said: 9 games in 3 wins 5 losses 1 loser point. 2 wins in 'normal' 5 on 5 play time; 1 against Kraken, 1 against Blackhawks. Not good enough. Something is wrong, and the team/management do not have much time to figure it out more than a tenth of the year gone, and the schedule is starting to load up with truly good teams. Rangers Predators Stars Ducks Avalanche Knights Should win ducks? But then they face Ducks Avalanche Jets Blackhawks Penguins 3 wins(expected) 2 against Ducks, 1 against Blackhawks, out of next 11 games? Edit to add That would be the end of November, could be the end of their season. I was looking at the schedule yesterday after the first period and woof. November and December are not going to be cakewalks, could definitely be another season last by Christmas if things continue. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 51 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Same here. Pettersson, Demko, Hughes, Boeser, Horvat are more than capable of taking over a game. Same with OEL and others. With this roster, the output should be a lot better. One thing I notice is the varying degrees of effort from player to player. Some play all out, others seem tentative. The only way the team makes a dent is of they’re all on the same page. Will it happen? what I don't see is lazy or apathy from the guys, not yet. Some pretty great individual efforts actually, I really like watching Hughes get back to break up plays this year, he's busting his ass. If this team isn't firing on all lines, Green gets exposed. We never seem to have a game plan when things are down, other than the blender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, John.Tallhouse said: That’ll learn em’ not getting my SN money? maybe it will. It'll help my blood pressure too. I watch this stuff for fun, not to get annoyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelicHearts Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Well, if there's anything good that came out of this, it's probably the hot memes and comments for us to laugh at. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, JM_ said: what I don't see is lazy or apathy from the guys, not yet. Some pretty great individual efforts actually, I really like watching Hughes get back to break up plays this year, he's busting his ass. If this team isn't firing on all lines, Green gets exposed. We never seem to have a game plan when things are down, other than the blender. Full video of the Green Blend-o-matic: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post luckylager Posted October 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, JM_ said: that beats being pissed off for 60 minutes per night and how much longer the afterglow lasts. I'm tired of watching the way the team is being deployed as well. If it doesn't change soon, I might cancel my SN Now and pick up the AHL package and enjoy watching Klimovich develop. I checked out in Feb last season because I was sick of watching Green forcing the same bull$&!# structure night after night and finding every single way to explain the losses without ever once holding himself and his staff accountable. He's employing the same losing tactics night after night and somehow expects different results. Just an epic coaching fail. He makes no effort to change the structure, just the line mix. Very disappointed he wasn't canned in the summer. Imagine thinking he deserves another shot when he's unwilling to adapt at all. New roster, same problems. What does that tell you? 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 1 hour ago, J.I.A.H.N said: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JM_ Posted October 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2021 14 minutes ago, luckylager said: I checked out in Feb last season because I was sick of watching Green forcing the same bull$&!# structure night after night and finding every single way to explain the losses without ever once holding himself and his staff accountable. He's employing the same losing tactics night after night and somehow expects different results. Just an epic coaching fail. He makes no effort to change the structure, just the line mix. Very disappointed he wasn't canned in the summer. Imagine thinking he deserves another shot when he's unwilling to adapt at all. New roster, same problems. What does that tell you? I just carved this. I feel better now. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 21 minutes ago, JM_ said: not getting my SN money? maybe it will. It'll help my blood pressure too. I watch this stuff for fun, not to get annoyed. Exactly. More often than not watching Canucks games these past few years has bummed me out. I’m not paying to bum myself out so I canceled my SNNow subscription a few days ago. I got 2 more games out of it, hoping I’d see something in those games to give me hope, but nope. I’ll resubscribe after the coaching change 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 40 minutes ago, JM_ said: what I don't see is lazy or apathy from the guys, not yet. Some pretty great individual efforts actually, I really like watching Hughes get back to break up plays this year, he's busting his ass. If this team isn't firing on all lines, Green gets exposed. We never seem to have a game plan when things are down, other than the blender. That’s delicious bass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aznmonk Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 46 minutes ago, luckylager said: I checked out in Feb last season because I was sick of watching Green forcing the same bull$&!# structure night after night and finding every single way to explain the losses without ever once holding himself and his staff accountable. He's employing the same losing tactics night after night and somehow expects different results. Just an epic coaching fail. He makes no effort to change the structure, just the line mix. Very disappointed he wasn't canned in the summer. Imagine thinking he deserves another shot when he's unwilling to adapt at all. New roster, same problems. What does that tell you? I guess it's all Bennings fault the new guys can't play under greens system. Time to make green head coach and gm. So he can implement his system correctly. If that fails then time to sell the Canucks. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguez Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 1 hour ago, J.I.A.H.N said: If we score on a couple of close ones, which we had lots of................yes, it wasn't as bad as some say Always hate when people say things like this. If what actually happened didn't happen then the outcome would have been different. I think I watched 5-8 seconds of the game. Turned it on, goal for Oilers, saw 2-0, turned it off. Haven't watched a full Canucks game in 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 1 hour ago, wallstreetamigo said: Greens systems are outdated for the current NHL. The lotto line is struggling for sure. But the team is just not built to play the style and systems Green and Baumgartner want them to play. A new coach, preferably an experienced one, would likely be able to get more out of this group. Sometimes a fresh perspective on players makes a big difference. I struggle thinking of any other coach who would demote and reduce the ice time of the one guy showing some hustle and emotion. Pearson, EP, Miller, Highmore, etc all should lose ice time before Garland. How are those systems outdated? If anything they're more relevant now than when you could hook, hold etc. They're just not executing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, PLOGUE said: Always hate when people say things like this. If what actually happened didn't happen then the outcome would have been different. I think I watched 5-8 seconds of the game. Turned it on, goal for Oilers, saw 2-0, turned it off. Haven't watched a full Canucks game in 2 years. Too bad, it was actually a pretty good game 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, stawns said: How are those systems outdated? If anything they're more relevant now than when you could hook, hold etc. They're just not executing If you need to ask how a passive 5 man box defense is outdated, or a passive, stationary pk is outdated, or a dump and change or shoot from the perimeter offense is outdated, I really don’t know how to help you figure that out. A good start is watching how other teams feast on it offensively with tons of high danger chances for and how they shut it down defensively without breaking a sweat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 3 hours ago, stawns said: and that's not passion, that's a tantrum Kind of disagree a little. Yelling has its place in hockey...sure it's "harassment" in most other fields, but this is a sport and trying to wake up your troops has its place in the game. Not going to say more then that. Don't think it's a distraction anyways. Could hear Myers shouting at OJ last season too. Where to go and what to do. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Just now, wallstreetamigo said: If you need to ask how a passive 5 man box defense is outdated, or a passive, stationary pk is outdated, or a dump and change or shoot from the perimeter offense is outdated, I really don’t know how to help you figure that out. A good start is watching how other teams feast on it offensively with tons of high danger chances for and how they shut it down defensively without breaking a sweat. The box +1 isnt passive, persay. It's oppotunistic.......you pressure the puck in certain areas (like corners and points) where you can confine the puck carrier and you jump on mistakes. It's an excellent system when executed properly and it's far more effective in an era where you can't hook, hold etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo Grit Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 44 minutes ago, JM_ said: that beats being pissed off for 60 minutes per night and how much longer the afterglow lasts. I'm tired of watching the way the team is being deployed as well. If it doesn't change soon, I might cancel my SN Now and pick up the AHL package and enjoy watching Klimovich develop. Snag here is that just when you've watched Klimovich be ready for a try up in the bigs, management'll waive or trade him to accommodate has-beens or never-wozzers. Gadj/Mac/OJ/Lind/Gauds/Rafferty/Dahlen .... the amount of young talent lost to our innate coaching naivety/stubborness has become stuff of legend. At least tracking Guds, Marky and Tanev's resurgance under Flame's coaching is an entertaining watch, though a tad sad. Calgary. Of all places. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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