[PGT] New York Rangers at Vancouver Canucks | Nov. 02, 2021

[stawns]

5 minutes ago, rekker said:

Did anyone else notice late in the game, a PP, Baumer had JT and the line at the bench to go over the PP. As soon as line left they were in deep discussion amongst themselves about their strategy. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I had to giggle. Was like they listened to Baumer, skated away, tossed his strategy into the trash and came up with their own strategy. Lol.

they take they big picture suggestion that the coach would have given them and refined it for what happens on the ice.  That's how it works.  

 

I feel like people think hockey is like football, with coaches calling plays.........most of the stuff that happens on ice has nothing to do with coaches, beyond the big picture structure they have to play within.........the rest is left to the players to do in the moment.

[stawns]

12 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Horvat could easily do this and it would create movement elsewhere too. Podz or Hoglander could probably be groomed to do that job effectively too. 

do they have the body to stand there without be moved out and are they willing to take shots off the knees, off the feet, off the head and continue to stand there?  Do we want our skilled, young players doing that?  Doubtful.  

 

People who think that is an easy job that "anyone can do" clearly don't have a lot of real world experience

Edited November 3, 2021 by stawns

[JM_]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

they take they big picture suggestion that the coach would have given them and refined it for what happens on the ice.  That's how it works.  

 

I feel like people think hockey is like football, with coaches calling plays.........most of the stuff that happens on ice has nothing to do with coaches, beyond the big picture structure they have to play within.........the rest is left to the players to do in the moment.

isn't it tho? they review every play on an iPad now, and seem to have a game plan for most shifts. 

[4petesake]

1 hour ago, HomeBrew said:

Ya? It mattered in some respects for grinders and fighters, but the skill players were often still of below average size. 

1991-1992 Canucks:

 

Igor Larionov 5' 9"

Cliff Ronning 5' 8"

Pavel Bure 5' 10"

 

1983-1984 Canucks:

 

Tony Tanti 5' 9"

Thomas Gradin 5' 11"

Stan Smyl 5' 10"

I wonder if there has ever been a more vertically-challenged team in the NHL than the 73/74 Canucks?

 

Bobby Lalonde 5’5, Andres Boudrias 5’8, Richard Lemieux 5’8, Danny Seguin 5’8, Paulin Bordeleau 5’9, Danny Gloor 5’9, Gene Sobchuk 5’9, and Gerry O’Flaherty 5’9. All heights from hockeyDB.com

[canuckleheads fan]

23 minutes ago, rekker said:

Special Teams are Baumers job? I thought that was Shaw?

I was wrong, this is from a pre-season story in the Province: Nolan Baumgartner will continue to work with defencemen and run the penalty kill but Shaw won’t be far away for some sage advice while helping direct forwards and the power play.

[stawns]

1 minute ago, JM_ said:

isn't it tho? they review every play on an iPad now, and seem to have a game plan for most shifts. 

they look at the ipad to see what they could have done differently, which is what 90% of in game coaching is.  The coach says "you could have done this differently in that situation", but that exact situation probably isn't going to come up again, so it's a big picture coaching moment.  Players make those decisions in the moment, based on the context of what is happening in the moment

[Frozen Water Walker]

Awesome game, I didn't see all the posts but if no one has said:

 

Pods goal reminds me of OV shooting the puck 

[CanucksJay]

2 minutes ago, stawns said:

I think that's his speciality and has shown throughout his career he can make a career of it, yes.  For years fans have been screaming for a net front presence, now we get one who has made a career of it and people do nothing but call him trash.   

There's a reason the Oilers didn't give him a contract. He put up a goal every 5/6 games playing with 2 of the best players in the world. What do you think will happen when you remove McDavid and Draisaitle? 

I realize it's unsustainable but the Oilers are at over 40% PP currently. Do you think they miss the netfront presence guy? 

This is a failed experiment and TG is disadvantaging his own team the further he continues.... 

 

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, stawns said:

they look at the ipad to see what they could have done differently, which is what 90% of in game coaching is.  The coach says "you could have done this differently in that situation", but that exact situation probably isn't going to come up again, so it's a big picture coaching moment.  Players make those decisions in the moment, based on the context of what is happening in the moment

I guess. It seems to me like there would be a lot of similar situations but I've never coached anything. 

[ShawnAntoski]

2 hours ago, RWJC said:

Yeah that’s what I said previously. Depending on the speed of the opponent’s respective lines.

Didn't read back - cheers !

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[CanucksJay]

12 minutes ago, stawns said:

do they have the body to stand there without be moved out and are they willing to take shots off the knees, off the feet, off the head and continue to stand there?  Do we want our skilled, young players doing that?  Doubtful.  

 

People who think that is an easy job that "anyone can do" clearly don't have a lot of real world experience

Real world experience has nothing to do with knowing what to expect when a puck flies by you at 90+ MPH. 

LOL in this respect, you may be correct. If one was to take a slap shot off the feet, I'd rather Chiasson than Horvat. But then again this logic is faulty because why do we play guys like Miller and Horvat on the PK? By that logic, they could also hurt themselves. 

 

So..... Yeah potential of getting hit by the puck is not the reason they should be playing Chiasson. 

If you don't want to get hit by the puck, go play another sport. 

 

I bet if Green asks Podz if he wants to try PP1 netfront, Podz would jump at the chance. 

You make it sound like it's the most undesirable job lol. 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by CanucksJay

[ShawnAntoski]

1 hour ago, robr1can said:

He has his proponents and his detractors. Personally, I was more of a puck possession ideologist, dump and chase in its moments, but more often control the puck as much as possible. The other team can't score as much if they don't have the puck. And for players who supposedly have high hockey IQs, they are not very creative on the powerplay, and somewhat unlucky on the kill. That's on them, not the coach.

Good context; given the current roster how would structure the PP & PK and which line combination would you do ?

 

Would you be a supporter of the current staff ?

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by ShawnAntoski

[DrJockitch]

1 hour ago, HomeBrew said:

I feel like this is a misconception. Average NHL height has actually increased over the years (2020 still being just above 73 inches). What we don't see anymore is the oversized 4th line fighter, but that size difference has probably been offset by the increase in goalie size. Otherwise, we have always had small players in the league (Theo Fleury for example). 

That graph ended almost a decade ago.  Not exactly current trends. 

[CaptKirk888]

15 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

There's a reason the Oilers didn't give him a contract. He put up a goal every 5/6 games playing with 2 of the best players in the world. What do you think will happen when you remove McDavid and Draisaitle? 

I realize it's unsustainable but the Oilers are at over 40% PP currently. Do you think they miss the netfront presence guy? 

This is a failed experiment and TG is disadvantaging his own team the further he continues.... 

 

Chias son had similar numbers wth Dallas, Ottawa and Calgary. Which superstars did he play with on those teams?

@stawns do you know?

[Elias Pettersson]

23 minutes ago, stawns said:

I think that's his speciality and has shown throughout his career he can make a career of it, yes.  For years fans have been screaming for a net front presence, now we get one who has made a career of it and people do nothing but call him trash.   

Chiasson has scored 34 PP goals in 9+ years in the NHL.  He had zero for Calgary and one for Ottawa.  His claim to fame was scoring 19 of those goals in a 3 year period playing on the PP with McDavid and Draisaitl, who don't really seem to miss him much anymore.

 

So I wouldn't really consider him a PP specialist per se.  Also, other than standing in front of the net on the PP he brings nothing else to his game or to the team.  Supposedly we don't have room for guys like MacEwen and Gadjovich even though other top teams are signing their tough guys to long term contracts.  But apparently we have room for a PP specialist who plays 10 minutes a game and is a liability on the ice 5 on 5.  

[PhillipBlunt]

43 minutes ago, spook007 said:

He bring an added element, that is sorely needed amongst this group... Was easily spotted during any scums...

It's nice that most of the d-men on the team are willing to stand up for their teammates. Schenn, Hamonic, Myers, Ekman-Larsson, Burroughs are good for it. That's a good d-core for Hughes to be a part of. Supportive and protective. You can see the effect it has on him. 

[HomeBrew]

15 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

That graph ended almost a decade ago.  Not exactly current trends. 

Insightful. You didn't major in math did you Doc? 

[mordekai]

McDavid is on pace for 92 POINTS this season just on Power Play alone (9points in 8games)... They sure miss the Chiasson.

[canuckleheads fan]

51 minutes ago, spook007 said:

He has already been through the mill in Russia. Tbh though, the schedule of the NHL is something none of them have tried before, and they players they come up against on a nightly basis are bigger, better and tougher than what they are used to... So yes its a learning curve, and Podz will be monitored by management to ensure he doesn't get burnt out, but I don't think we have to worry about that.... On a side note its been great seeing drive the net... Strong as an Ox

I love Podz, but I think Travis is handling him properly.  The KHL is comparable to the AHL (in his first three years in the KHL,  Linden Vey was nearly a point per game player...so not the NHL), and in the KHL for most of last season Podz was a bottom six winger who struggled to get ice time, and was sometimes a healthy scratch.  I think he shows great promise, he has a terrific shot, and can really rattle the boards with his body checks, but he also has to learn his position and the team's systems.  I expect by about game 25 or so, he'll be getting 11-13 minutes per night, and by game 60 will be playing a full third-line game getting 16 minutes per night, IF he keeps earning Travis' trust and gets some opportunities on special teams.