*Buzzsaw* Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 PLAYER MOVEMENT, FAST PUCK MOVEMENT AND UNPREDICTABILITY... Those were the characteristics he mentioned in the After Hours interview after the Hawks game... like a lot of others he says the Oilers' PP is the best he's every seen. Everyone is moving, the positioning is not static, the passes are quick and players don't always shoot from the same spot. All of these are exactly what seems to be missing in the Canucks' PP> 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Edmonton PP is actually fairly predictable. Players follow Mcdavid around, Draisaitl gets a pass across for an open net. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Edmonton’s PP is as good as the Canucks PK is bad . When they play each other they might go 100% 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 1 hour ago, *Buzzsaw* said: PLAYER MOVEMENT, FAST PUCK MOVEMENT AND UNPREDICTABILITY... I call BS on that. I've seen their PP, and it is good because of 2 reasons only: McDavid and Draisatl. Put in any 2 players on the Canucks to replace those 2, and it won't be nearly as effective. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 250Integra Posted November 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2021 Or maybe it’s because they have two of the best players in the world?? 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canuck #12 Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, *Buzzsaw* said: PLAYER MOVEMENT, FAST PUCK MOVEMENT AND UNPREDICTABILITY... Those were the characteristics he mentioned in the After Hours interview after the Hawks game... like a lot of others he says the Oilers' PP is the best he's every seen. Everyone is moving, the positioning is not static, the passes are quick and players don't always shoot from the same spot. All of these are exactly what seems to be missing in the Canucks' PP> It doesn't just seems that way, Buzzsaw, it is! Edited November 21, 2021 by Captain Canuck #12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makaramel MacKhiato Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 It's because Miller can't dangle the puck through 4 guys like McDavid can... but I'm glad he never stops trying!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 11 hours ago, *Buzzsaw* said: PLAYER MOVEMENT, FAST PUCK MOVEMENT AND UNPREDICTABILITY... Those were the characteristics he mentioned in the After Hours interview after the Hawks game... like a lot of others he says the Oilers' PP is the best he's every seen. Everyone is moving, the positioning is not static, the passes are quick and players don't always shoot from the same spot. All of these are exactly what seems to be missing in the Canucks' PP> Our own guys have even stated this...it's just a matter of doing it. I mean, as an observer who admittedly knows little about the x's and o's of it all, I can see that. If you stand still you offer the shorthanded opponents to more easily block passes, shots, etc. As well, the goaltender is set in place. You have to pull them out of position to clear up shooting lanes and get some net to shoot at. We did this momentarily but it's got to be the norm. The quick passes also have to be a bit less dangerous/no look and more focused. I'm tired of seeing us give up the puck when we're on a PP, only to see a break out the other way. Just seems like a no brainer. "Walk the line", etc. Petey standing in one spot is not effective anymore. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 (edited) Quick passing Edited November 21, 2021 by Hairy Kneel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: Quick passing QH to EP40 - missed the net; wait a, SH breakaway. Great save Demko ! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 13 hours ago, *Buzzsaw* said: PLAYER MOVEMENT, FAST PUCK MOVEMENT AND UNPREDICTABILITY... Those were the characteristics he mentioned in the After Hours interview after the Hawks game... like a lot of others he says the Oilers' PP is the best he's every seen. Everyone is moving, the positioning is not static, the passes are quick and players don't always shoot from the same spot. All of these are exactly what seems to be missing in the Canucks' PP> Barrie is 100% correct. That goal that Barrie scored on the PP last night was a direct result of all three. I was fortunate enough to flipping channels last night and caught the Oilers PP goal. What makes Edmonton particularly scary right now is that McDavid draws penalties like nobody’s business. He’s just so fast out there. Oilers then get on the PP and dominate. These guys have arguably the two best centers in the game right now (debatable because of MacKinnon) and their defense is a lot better this year as well. Like their 2006 counterparts, these guys could make a cup run if they get a top goalie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 1 hour ago, -DLC- said: Our own guys have even stated this...it's just a matter of doing it. I mean, as an observer who admittedly knows little about the x's and o's of it all, I can see that. If you stand still you offer the shorthanded opponents to more easily block passes, shots, etc. As well, the goaltender is set in place. You have to pull them out of position to clear up shooting lanes and get some net to shoot at. We did this momentarily but it's got to be the norm. The quick passes also have to be a bit less dangerous/no look and more focused. I'm tired of seeing us give up the puck when we're on a PP, only to see a break out the other way. Just seems like a no brainer. "Walk the line", etc. Petey standing in one spot is not effective anymore. I think a part of seems to be that we are too afraid to make a mistake out there. On our PP, it seems like we often play to “not make a mistake” rather than “playing to harass the goalie.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL'er Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 "Tyson Barrie talks about what makes the Oilers PP so good" Play with McDavid and Draisatl on your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 11 hours ago, 250Integra said: Or maybe it’s because they have two of the best players in the world?? Nah, that couldn't be it. Every team should be able to emulate it with slick passing and moving their feet! McDavid being a cheat code doesn't mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBossy Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 How did that Number 1 Powerplay in the regular season do for them in the playoffs last year? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubik Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 they had the best PP in the last two seasons as well, but both ended in embarrassing first round exists, so how about less talk, more action? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 14 hours ago, *Buzzsaw* said: PLAYER MOVEMENT, FAST PUCK MOVEMENT AND UNPREDICTABILITY... Those were the characteristics he mentioned in the After Hours interview after the Hawks game... like a lot of others he says the Oilers' PP is the best he's every seen. Everyone is moving, the positioning is not static, the passes are quick and players don't always shoot from the same spot. All of these are exactly what seems to be missing in the Canucks' PP> Green likes to deploy the opposite, no moving, static, slow passes, similar players in same position every powerplay in every game and when shooting players like to show the opposition by holding their sticks up and taking 2 minutes to shoot the puck which is blocked since the opposition has setup and knows where the shot will come from a minute prior to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Patel Bure said: Barrie is 100% correct. That goal that Barrie scored on the PP last night was a direct result of all three. I was fortunate enough to flipping channels last night and caught the Oilers PP goal. What makes Edmonton particularly scary right now is that McDavid draws penalties like nobody’s business. He’s just so fast out there. Oilers then get on the PP and dominate. These guys have arguably the two best centers in the game right now (debatable because of MacKinnon) and their defense is a lot better this year as well. Like their 2006 counterparts, these guys could make a cup run if they get a top goalie. I think if they add more depth to that D like get a reliable defensive d man similar to Tanev and add a good goalie they can make a big run for the cup. They added a lot last offseason with Derek Ryan, Zack Hyman, Warren Foegele, Ceci and Keith who has played great. That is 5 or 6 very dependable NHL players that solved their bottom 6 depth problem and made their D better. If they add a good defensive D that can log 20 to 25 minutes and a clutch goalie they can go very far. I also like Tippet more than Green when it comes to coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted November 21, 2021 Author Share Posted November 21, 2021 (edited) All those who suggest its only McDavid and Draisaitl and all you need to do is put these players on the ice are not paying attention. In 2017/2018 this team had the worst PP average of any team in the league at 14.8% That was the year McDavid got 108 pts... so it wasn't for him not being there. Draisaitl got 70 pts. So what changed to improve the percentage to the typical 28% we saw in the last few years? (currently around 40% but probably won't stay there) The PP system. Most of the Oiler PP goals are not scored on with McDavid on the rush, they are scored with the PP set up in the zone. The Canucks have multiple excellent elements who are comparable to the Oilers PP elements. Pettersson has as good a shot as Draisaitl.... unlike Draisaitl he doesn't get open looks for the one timer... when was the last time you saw Petey get a decent open look at goal with no screen in front of him??? Why is it that Draisaitl always seems to get open looks at the goal with the goaltender out of position? Why is it the Oilers are able to make seam passes??? The reasons are many... - As I mentioned in my first post, the Oilers are in motion, they trade positions, they use picks with the puck carrier moving behind a blocking Oiler player, or alternatively the puck carrier moves in front of an OIler player and drops the puck. Why can't the Canucks do this???? - McDavid feints an attack on the net... draws the defense, then passes off to an open OIler player... why can't the Canucks do this??? Miller is capable of this... so is Horvat... so is Petey... but the Canucks NEVER try this. - The Oilers move the puck FAST... they use short quick passes to put the defense out of position and to confuse them.... eventually someone is open... this is the opposite of the Canucks... who are hesitant and slow in their passes... as if they are afraid of missing the puck or mishandling it. This is something which can be addressed by practice... sending and receiving quick fast passes. - The Oilers will shoot from any position... because they are in motion and lanes are opening up all the time, they take the opportunity to shoot or pass. - The Oilers WILL take the puck to the net... and score greasy ones... when was the last time the Canucks did this??? These are exactly what Barrie talked about in the interview... too bad some people aren't listening. Whether or not the Canucks could get as good as the Oiler PP average... probably not... but they should be able to average in the low 20% easily if the PP was coached well. Right now they are sitting at 16.9%. Edited November 21, 2021 by *Buzzsaw* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 On 11/21/2021 at 9:05 PM, Coconuts said: Nah, that couldn't be it. Every team should be able to emulate it with slick passing and moving their feet! McDavid being a cheat code doesn't mean anything. The Flames does that without McDavid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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