stawns Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 56 minutes ago, The Lock said: I can't agree with that honestly. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. At the very least, we don't know enough to know whether or not he would have been signed already. And cutting off talks during the season's pretty normal practice as some players don't want that on their mind during the season. It's not even a threat really. If they cut off talks during the season, it's as close to certainty that he's leaving as you can get without him outright saying it. No way the Canucks risk losing him for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 39 minutes ago, JM_ said: no we're just hoping he does stay, but for something reasonable. This is a big problem in this thread, people speaking for others. Turns much of the stuff in here into echo chamber. Don't you think if miller was willing to take a "reasonable" contract, it'd be done already? Why would they allow the circus to continue if both sides were being reasonable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, gurn said: No more than $7.5 for no more than 5 years yrs 1-2 NTC 3 player submits list of 10 teams he won't go to 4-5 no clauses at all. If you assume a normal age related decline... that is about the middle ground that would balance risk with upside. We need the player and he is really good for us now, so pay a premium above what is really fair for his expected production that and say $8 million x 6 years. He is 36 by the time that finishes and is most likely a 3rd liner or worse at that point. Structure it in whatever way his agent wants to ensure that as much money sticks to his jeans as possible considering escrow, front loading, etc. NMC for the first 4 years, and either no clause for the final two or a very limited one so we can offload him if he really falls off a cliff earlier than expected like we see in a lot of cases (Lucic, Neal, Eriksson, etc). Paying more means we are pricing him being unusual in not aging like most players do. That could be true, but you don't pay for that because that removes any upside for the team and involves only risk that he ages average or worse than average. In free agency some team in a different situation for a contending window is going to pay him in the neighbourhood of $10 million x 7 years, so it doesn't make a lot of sense for him to agree to sign here for less on a team that is farther away from winning a Cup. Signing him for us isn't a move to extend a current contending window, so it doesn't make a lot of sense for us to sign him to a high dollar, long term deal that is going to hurt by the end. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, stawns said: Don't you think if miller was willing to take a "reasonable" contract, it'd be done already? Why would they allow the circus to continue if both sides were being reasonable? its only a circus out in the media, which I don't think rates high on our mgmt teams agenda. There's been a few reasons, the TDL offers weren't great, both sides may have wanted to see what Kadri got, and he's still under contract for a year. Now that most teams are pretty much set in their rosters and cap, its likely a bit easier to discuss real vs potential moves for trades. Millers camp also gets to evaluate where he might end up and he may now prefer here, vs. say a NJ or some other spot less desirable for him. Its all speculation but there are potential explanations other than Miller wants something unreasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 40 minutes ago, gurn said: No more than $7.5 for no more than 5 years yrs 1-2 NTC 3 player submits list of 10 teams he won't go to 4-5 no clauses at all. He's probably looking at a deal at least similar to Zib or Hertl meaning in the 8-8.5 range for 7-8 years with full NMC each year. His agent would be doing him a disservice if he didn't advise him that he could easily attain that, if not more, on the open market with another monster season this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarke Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Miller is worth more than Kadri, so pay him and let’s go! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 At this point I think unless we get a deal we can't say no to he will start the season with us or last minute deal he will sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 16 minutes ago, Fanuck said: He's probably looking at a deal at least similar to Zib or Hertl meaning in the 8-8.5 range for 7-8 years with full NMC each year. His agent would be doing him a disservice if he didn't advise him that he could easily attain that, if not more, on the open market with another monster season this year. Which is why many here figure he gets traded. He knows he can get more elsewhere next year. Bigger salary, and a better tax rate almost anywhere he goes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, cripplereh said: At this point I think unless we get a deal we can't say no to he will start the season with us or last minute deal he will sign. Pretty safe bet at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 31 minutes ago, cripplereh said: At this point I think unless we get a deal we can't say no to he will start the season with us or last minute deal he will sign. Gotta wonder, if he's healthy and productive, at the TDL his value as a rental to a legitimate contender may be enormous, considering he's already on a value contract and we could easily retain for the rest of the year, meaning any contender already near the cap would be getting a game-breaking impact rental for a price they'd likely be able to fit on the roster (cap-wise) easily. The question is, would ownership/management have the nerve to make a deal like that at or near the TDL if we're within striking distance of PO? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 9 hours ago, shiznak said: Will Miller be a bonafide top line player, in year 4 of his new contract? Most likely not. Pearson won't even be on the squad in 2 years, and maybe Miller won't be either but if I had to choose to sign Miller for 8 more years, I would only go as high as 8.5 per. I think we can make that work long term as the cap has been reported to climb by Daly himself (speculation and forecasting for sure but promising). Pearson can be easily replaced. 30-40 point guys are a dime a dozen whereas a power forward like Miller is extremley rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 hour ago, gurn said: No more than $7.5 for no more than 5 years yrs 1-2 NTC 3 player submits list of 10 teams he won't go to 4-5 no clauses at all. That's certainly a team friendly deal. If that the best the Canucks brass offer, I can see Miller testing free agency for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 hour ago, gurn said: No more than $7.5 for no more than 5 years yrs 1-2 NTC 3 player submits list of 10 teams he won't go to 4-5 no clauses at all. This made me moist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Strawbone Posted September 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Meh said: This made me moist I also peed my pants laughing 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Strawbone said: I also peed my pants laughing I wasn't laughing, I would love for this to happen. That's the max I would go as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 57 minutes ago, cripplereh said: At this point I think unless we get a deal we can't say no to he will start the season with us or last minute deal he will sign. I do think there is another tight window in the next two weeks and before he comes here to get ready for training camp. Some teams with aspirations might be really looking around their divisions and thinking if they can make a hockey trade or give up some younger players for a better chance this year. Miller with a brand new baby apparently about to pop, he might be very amenable to being traded really close to home in the Metro division and signing a decent extension there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Well maybe time to revisit a NYR deal and add a third team so we get what we want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -DLC- Posted September 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2022 4 hours ago, stawns said: Don't you think if miller was willing to take a "reasonable" contract, it'd be done already? Why would they allow the circus to continue if both sides were being reasonable? Because that's how negotiations work? You hold out at first, then it starts to become a matter of worrying as you aren't getting what you're asking for and your price comes down in line with that. Teams aren't busting the door down and he likely recognizes that. So, no. Just because it isn't done that doesn't mean it won't be. As time goes on, he risks missing that window of striking while the iron's hot as teams WILL consider his age and he has set an awfully high bar for himself. If he does fall off that pace, that impacts his asking price. So he and his agent may weigh that all out. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Meh said: I wasn't laughing, I would love for this to happen. That's the max I would go as well. Oh that would be an amazing contract that I think everyone here would love. I’m laughing because of how ridiculously unlikely it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 10 hours ago, Strawbone said: Oh that would be an amazing contract that I think everyone here would love. I’m laughing because of how ridiculously unlikely it is. It's the re-signing equivalent of trading Raymond, Ballard and a 1st. Delusional, at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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