stawns Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: sure but OEL is overpaid in vancouver period? coz we are paying him 7.25mil to be a defensive defenseman that plays on the second pp line?? then why did we get him to be a 2nd pairing defenseman? because you can't just play some middle of the road dman for 20-25 mins a game against the other teams best players. I think if they can swing a good defensive specialist dman in a Miller/Boeser trade, you'll see his PP time go up and his points will follow. As a I've said before, I'd like to see him as the pp1qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rindiculous Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 23 hours ago, KnuckleHead16 said: Pearson good but we need other players to sign aswell. We need more cap space plain and simple. So move Dickinson, Poolman, OEL, Myers, Garland etc. to do that. In terms of contracts signed, Pearson's is the highest value of non star players and those are the types you need to ice a competitive team to generate that cap space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: sure but OEL is overpaid in vancouver period? coz we are paying him 7.25mil to be a defensive defenseman that plays on the second pp line?? then why did we get him to be a 2nd pairing defenseman? Because Benning was ok at acquiring decent individual talent, but he evidently sucked at putting a cohesive d core, team, pairings etc together. And having Hughes and OEL isn't a problem. Being able to put those two guys out there for ~25 minutes each of a 60 minute game is RIDICULOUSLY valuable. With a properly constructed D core, we don't have him as a "2nd pair" D, we have him as a 2nd, 1st pair D, so that we can basically roll 2 first pairs for 5/6ths of a game. That's not the "problem" that needs fixing. The problem that needs fixing is finding appropriate partners for Hughes and OEL so we can do that to it's greatest effect and get the most out of our, by far, two best defensemen. Right now, the way our D is structured, we're limiting both of them and not putting them in the best positions to succeed. That's a Benning (and now Rutherford/Allvin) problem, not an OEL problem. Edited June 27, 2022 by aGENT 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, Alflives said: Yup. Benning created a second pair that eats over 13 mil on the cap. That’s why JR is trying to reallocate where the cap dollars are spent. OEL, because of his contract, is impossible to trade. So JR will move Myers. OEL, because of his NMC is "impossible" to trade. Without that, we'd have very little issue finding a taker IMO. Especially to any "have" clubs with money and a need for a top pair LD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 7 hours ago, stawns said: The mythologizing of Miller on this board is ridiculous What are you talking about? JT Miller is the end all be all. 100 point C/LW/RW that will cost $8.75+ million most likely Why, I twisted an ankle once and JT miller not only walked my dog, he taught my daughter kung fu. I couldn't figure out an accounting mistake for my taxes, JT Miller changed the law for me. My wife and I couldn't conceive another child, and JT miller spent 3 hours alone with her and a month later we were blessed with her being with our child 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, stawns said: because you can't just play some middle of the road dman for 20-25 mins a game against the other teams best players. I think if they can swing a good defensive specialist dman in a Miller/Boeser trade, you'll see his PP time go up and his points will follow. As a I've said before, I'd like to see him as the pp1qb. so are we going to take hughes off the PP1 and put OEL on pp1? let's face it PP2 ain't going to do jack s*** on the ice with their limited 20-30sec with whatever players left that prolly shouldn't even be on the PP.. taking away QH's PP production to increase OEL PP production results in a net gain of 0 so what exactly does that do? Vancouver have the 9th best powerplay in the league if it ain't broken they ain't going to change it. so let say OEL replaces say a boeser on the PP.. boeser had 17 PP points.. OEL maybe replaces that 17 points on the PP.. again that's a net gain of 0.. it'll make his stat looks better?? and it'll make the guy he replace looks worse and overpaid? i'm sure u can find a defensive dman in the 5mil range that excels in the defensive side of the game.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 minute ago, wai_lai416 said: so are we going to take hughes off the PP1 and put OEL on pp1? let's face it PP2 ain't going to do jack s*** on the ice with their limited 20-30sec with whatever players left that prolly shouldn't even be on the PP.. taking away QH's PP production to increase OEL PP production results in a net gain of 0 so what exactly does that do? Vancouver have the 9th best powerplay in the league if it ain't broken they ain't going to change it. so let say OEL replaces say a boeser on the PP.. boeser had 17 PP points.. OEL maybe replaces that 17 points on the PP.. again that's a net gain of 0.. it'll make his stat looks better?? and it'll make the guy he replace looks worse and overpaid? i'm sure u can find a defensive dman in the 5mil range that excels in the defensive side of the game.. no, I would put OEL as the qb and let QH be a rover type of player, moving around the zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MeanSeanBean Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 2 hours ago, fanfor42 said: Yes but in a couple of years if we still have Miller and with the invevitable development of Petey hughes Podz hogz kuz etc and with a coupe smaller moves (not trading miller) maybe we are in a position to contend - and if we have traded away Miller maybe we are worse off. Just saying there is a big risk here. There is big risks either way. In a couple years it's very possible that JT Miller follows the highest probable path and decreases in production like the average player in his 30s. With no top 4 prospects to bet on, and very little in the cupboard in general we could be looking at a contract that is aging poorly without the cheap ELC contracts to help us stay a float. In my opinion (and what is seeming to be the opinion of most of our management team and media) the less risky path is capitalizing on one of our biggest assets to refill our prospect pipeline and not hitching or wagon to a risky resign. If Miller is willing to sign a team friendly deal this is moot. If he's willing to sign a 7.5x6 deal or something similar, by all means I hope he does. That would put him as our highest paid forward, well into his 30s. If he gets traded it's because he choose the money, simple as that 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jester13 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, fanfor42 said: Lol. You completely missed the . Ruh roh, someone missed their period. I hope they don't live in the US. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, J-Dizzle said: This is not a ‘for’ or ‘against’ Miller post, but I actually think EP has gotten in the habit of deferring to Miller too much. Perhaps he wasn’t coming out of that a bit towards the end of the season (along with Other general improvements), but it may be interesting to see what his game would do IF he felt he had to be ‘the guy’. It was nice to see Petey carry his own line at the end of the season, splitting Miller/Petey really puts the onus on Petey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, stawns said: no, I would put OEL as the qb and let QH be a rover type of player, moving around the zone. so who are you taking off the powerplay? your #2 goal scorer on the PP in boeser? ur #1 in horvat? or ur #3 in EP? we are already top 10 in powerplay. OEL ain't going to make a difference on it.. instead of goals from the forward you get the odd goals here and there from the point. having OEL at best replaces horvat or boeser's PP production.. it's not going to make it any better.. while horvat or boeser whoever replaced will have minimal powerplay production on the 2nd line.. so it's not going to change anything by having OEL on the top PP and demoting Horvat or boeser to the 2nd PP.. they ain't going to produce on the 2nd PP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Just now, wai_lai416 said: so who are you taking off the powerplay? your #2 goal scorer on the PP in boeser? ur #1 in horvat? or ur #3 in EP? we are already top 10 in powerplay. OEL ain't going to make a difference on it.. instead of goals from the forward you get the odd goals here and there from the point. having OEL at best replaces horvat or boeser's PP production.. it's not going to make it any better.. while horvat or boeser whoever replaced will have minimal powerplay production on the 2nd line.. so it's not going to change anything by having OEL on the top PP and demoting Horvat or boeser to the 2nd PP.. they ain't going to produce on the 2nd PP I would balance the pp lines a little more. I'd probably take Boeser off the pp........if I even thought Boeser or Miller were going to be here, which I don't. Miller Horvat Petey Hughes OEL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, stawns said: I would balance the pp lines a little more. I'd probably take Boeser off the pp........if I even thought Boeser or Miller were going to be here, which I don't. Miller Horvat Petey Hughes OEL Nope pretty sure if boeser aint here kuzmenko would be in that spot. I can’t even imagine them making a pitch to kuzmenko without offering him pp1 time assuming one of boeser or miller is not here. Regardless it still won’t balance the pp2 they have no one to QB the 2nd line pp and 0 players capable of being a playmaker. Boeser garland podkolzin myer whatever other defenseman is left. That looks like a god awful PP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Alflives said: If Boeser is QOd at 7.5 then he’s traded at the 2023 TDL as a rental (with retention). That retention might be 50 bucks at the TDL,. Or were thinking some other type of retention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 10 hours ago, stawns said: The mythologizing of Miller on this board is ridiculous Lucky Bure didn’t play now. You guys would’ve run him outta town faster than he could skate. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 2 hours ago, stawns said: no, I would put OEL as the qb and let QH be a rover type of player, moving around the zone. Yeah nothing wrong with... Horvat Boeser, Pettersson Hughes, OEL Wouldn't be awful at all. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: Yeah nothing wrong with... Horvat Boeser, Pettersson Hughes, OEL Wouldn't be awful at all. Miller Horvat Pettersson Hughes OEL Demko Support this group with the rest of the cap. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Me_ said: Miller Horvat Pettersson Hughes OEL Demko Support this group with the rest of the cap. We're taking about PP. Going to be hard for Miller to be on pp1, from another team, sorry bruh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Me_ said: Miller Horvat Pettersson Hughes OEL Demko Support this group with the rest of the cap. I’m tending to agree with you. We either support this group for the next four years or we deep dive. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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