Mustard Tiger Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Outsiders said: It has gone quiet on the Horvat trade front. I think that means they're taking one last run at signing him If it's Boston, ALOT of money to move around. Takes time. We shouldn't be retain 50% just to make it work. They need to pay up to retain that much ect. Same goes for everyone but Seattle and Boston can pay a buyers premium lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Beecher looks like a bust. Carlo and Lysell would definitely have to be the two pieces from Boston. They don’t want a 1st so add another young player in the deal. Zboril maybe? Either way not really interested in making Boston better. I’m torn between Beecher and Harrison on who would be better to target. On the surface, it’s a toss up but someone with more knowledge in boston’s center prospects may say otherwise Id absolutely devastated if the horvat deal consists of 2 or 3 reclamation projects like zboril I want the 1st as asset insurance in case Carlo gets bumped on the head again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CanucksJay Posted January 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 25, 2023 Here's a bold statement. Miller will outperform Horvat from 2023 to 2028 I really see Tocchet transforming and building Miller to be a complete player. Miller definitely has more skill and physicality than Horvat. If he can become a solid 2 way player, we'll be happy we kept the right guy 1 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, billabong said: I’m torn between Beecher and Harrison on who would be better to target. On the surface, it’s a toss up but someone with more knowledge in boston’s center prospects may say otherwise Id absolutely devastated if the horvat deal consists of 2 or 3 reclamation projects like zboril I want the 1st as asset insurance in case Carlo gets bumped on the head again They want two roster players though. Zboril is in the NHL, those other two are not. Not saying I want those pieces but that’s what they’re asking for. Two young roster players (Carlo, Zboril) and one top prospect (Lysell) There wont be picks or B prospects involved. Edited January 25, 2023 by DeNiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: Here's a bold statement. Miller will outperform Horvat from 2023 to 2028 I really see Tocchet transforming and building Miller to be a complete player. Miller definitely has more skill and physicality than Horvat. If he can become a solid 2 way player, we'll be happy we kept the right guy Ive been saying this too, dollar for dollar, Miller was the better signing. Horvat at more than 6.5m/year is a mistake. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, DeNiro said: They want two roster players though. Zboril is in the NHL, those other two are not. Not saying I want those pieces but that’s what they’re asking for. Two young roster players (Carlo, Zboril) and one top prospect (Lysell) There wont be picks or B prospects involved. If theyre offered this deal and don't take it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: Ive been saying this too, dollar for dollar, Miller was the better signing. Horvat at more than 6.5m/year is a mistake. Yup I believe Miller has the ability to drive a line while Horvat currently is doing what Boeser should be doing. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: If theyre offered this deal and don't take it... Depends what else is offered. If that’s the best deal on the table they have no choice. Its not like with Miller where he wasn’t a pending UFA. You don’t move him at the deadline and he walks for nothing. That’s not an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Depends what else is offered. If that’s the best deal on the table they have no choice. Its not like with Miller where he wasn’t a pending UFA. You don’t move him at the deadline and he walks for nothing. That’s not an option. Oh man no i LOVE this deal. Top-4 defenseman and Lysell? + a potential reclamation project? Sign it immediately in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: Yup I believe Miller has the ability to drive a line while Horvat currently is doing what Boeser should be doing. 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 There are 10 or more teams that will want upgrades.We have 4 to 6 players we could trade. Get the ball rolling with one and announce we will take calls and maybe we trade them all. Bo,Miller,Brock,Myers,Schenn and maybe Kuz if he won't resign. But we need to start asap with a good trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: Oh man no i LOVE this deal. Top-4 defenseman and Lysell? + a potential reclamation project? Sign it immediately in my opinion. Not sold on Lysell as a top prospect. The deals only a good deal if the prospect turns into a player. Not convinced at this point. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Not sold on Lysell as a top prospect. The deals only a good deal if the prospect turns into a player. Not convinced at this point. Yip. Needs to be a top A prospect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Not sold on Lysell as a top prospect. The deals only a good deal if the prospect turns into a player. Not convinced at this point. Lysol was a lower first rounder so can’t technically (by the full standard of definition) be a bustaroo. He falls into that category of guys who teams passed on, until later, because they saw a higher chance he will not be an NHL player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Lysol was a lower first rounder so can’t technically (by the full standard of definition) be a bustaroo. He falls into that category of guys who teams passed on, until later, because they saw a higher chance he will not be an NHL player. Either way we’ve got wingers. Its crucial we get a young center and RHD back. We’re not gonna get a better opportunity to get those pieces through trade than this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: Beecher looks like a bust. He's only 21, and he's 6'3" 215 Maybe he's struggling this season with the BOS farm team, but this is the kind of player JR was talking about that they'd like to target. Maybe they can develop him properly into a good middle 6C. The real prize coming back is Lysell and a good RD partner for Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 8 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Either way we’ve got wingers. Its crucial we get a young center and RHD back. We’re not gonna get a better opportunity to get those pieces through trade than this. If Lysol is a throw in then that’s fine. But he’s a B level prospect in my books. So he’d be the third or fourth most important piece. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: He's only 21, and he's 6'3" 215 Maybe he's struggling this season with the BOS farm team, but this is the kind of player JR was talking about that they'd like to target. Maybe they can develop him properly into a good middle 6C. The real prize coming back is Lysell and a good RD partner for Hughes. Who cares how tall he is if he sucks? At 21 he needs to be putting up more points than that in the AHL. That’s a major project player, not what we’re looking for. JR said he wants to target players who underperformed on their ELC’s. Guys that may have been hyped and need a change of scenery. Beecher is on year one of his ELC and not looking anywhere close to an NHLer. Edited January 26, 2023 by DeNiro 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, CanucksJay said: Here's a bold statement. Miller will outperform Horvat from 2023 to 2028 I really see Tocchet transforming and building Miller to be a complete player. Miller definitely has more skill and physicality than Horvat. If he can become a solid 2 way player, we'll be happy we kept the right guy Miller is obviously the more gifted player. It's just the attitude, man. Seems like he needs someone constantly riding him in order for him to max his effectiveness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 26, 2023 Share Posted January 26, 2023 1 hour ago, CanucksJay said: Here's a bold statement. Miller will outperform Horvat from 2023 to 2028 I really see Tocchet transforming and building Miller to be a complete player. Miller definitely has more skill and physicality than Horvat. If he can become a solid 2 way player, we'll be happy we kept the right guy Most certainly agree . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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