N4ZZY Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, ABNucksfan said: I’ve been saying Demko the future for years… even over Markstrom…who i liked… but many (most) were stuck on marky being the #1 and paying top dollar to keep him. Marky followed the cash and im glad he is no longer here. I've also been high on Demko for many years, and believed that he was the franchise goalie for this team. We should've moved Markström before he walked to UFA. Could've gotten a decent haul for him, and that prospect or pick could've been in Abby right now developing. Unfortunately, a big part of Benning's tenure has been to allow his players who eventually became free agents the next season, to just walk for nothing. I don't know how that's ever a "good" strategy, but it was consistent with him. Not sure what the logic was behind that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ghostsof1915 Posted December 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) "You don't have to answer that...." LOL I love the eyeroll. Edited December 7, 2021 by Ghostsof1915 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatzkek Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Patel Bure said: Who's blaming Gillis? After the Canucks lost to the Kings in 2012, Gillis went up to ownership with a plan to do a scorched earth rebuild in which we'd trade our top players, at their peaks, for very elite prospects. Aqua's told Gillis to 'F off' unfortunately. When Benning took over the team in 2014, the values of our top players had greatly diminished. Gillis wasn't the one to blame at all (although even you must admit that Gillis' drafting was off the charts terrible). Ownership was. That's exactly what should have happened. It was obvious. So Aqua is DIRECTLY responsible for the lousy 10 years. Good to know. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ABNucksfan said: He said they weren’t rentals at the time… because the team wasn’t in a position to make a legit cup run… We all knew he was a rental. He was Boeser's replacement at the time. Boeser was out and they needed another top 6 guy. The team was going all in on trying to make the playoffs, so that the JT Miller traded 1st rounder wasn't a lottery pick that following season. Edited December 7, 2021 by Viper007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) Double post. Edited December 7, 2021 by Viper007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Not sure I've ever seen a more dramatic "&^@# you" game to an outgoing coach What a contrast to last game, I love it 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNucksfan Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, N4ZZY said: I've also been high on Demko for many years, and believed that he was the franchise goalie for this team. We should've moved Markström before he walked to UFA. Could've gotten a decent haul for him, and that prospect or pick could've been in Abby right now developing. Unfortunately, a big part of Benning's tenure has been to allow his players who eventually became free agents the next season, to just walk for nothing. I don't know how that's ever a "good" strategy, but it was consistent with him. Not sure what the logic was behind that. Another fail on bennings part… letting extremely valuable assets wall for NOTHING… Thanks Patel for bringing Benning up… i was ready for sleep… now I want to punch the punching bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 So if the only thing they really went over in the morning skate was the forecheck, maybe that means that the more aggressive PK came from the players themselves. It like they knew what needed to happen, but weren't allowed to do it until now. That and adding Bo and Petey to the unit shuts down the King's PP that just scored 3 on Edmonton. Yeah, I think we had some coaching problems alright. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 18 minutes ago, Patel Bure said: 1) Look at all of the top teams in the league and how many years they experienced growing pains. 2) This 8 years narrative is Thomas Drance drivel/nonsense. 2015: 1st round 2016: DNQ 2017: DNQ 2018: DNQ 2019: DNQ 2020: 2nd round 2021: DNQ 2022: ??? Did we rebuilt this team in record time? Absolutely not. But again - do some homework kid. Florida, Carolina, Colorado, Edmonton, Toronto, Calgary, etc., etc. Show me a team that didn't go through years upon years of growing pains. Maybe the Penguins? The Bruins, to their credit, usually qualified for the playoffs during their growing pains but they always lost in the 1st round. Get your facts straight. Friends don't let friends be brainwashed my dickheads like Thomas Drance. I don't need Thomas Drance. I have eyes and have seen the garbage on the ice and in the front office year in and year out. Just because you're a crap team doesn't mean it's "growing pains". It's been crap for 8 years and crap was the status quo this year too. There was no growing... Just pain. If you think Benning is so good go cheer for whatever team he's GM of next, except that might be tough because he's never getting a head GMing job again. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, ABNucksfan said: Hope so. It’s going to be easier to do in a positive atmosphere for sure. Still think the contract is a millstone around his neck. Very likely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WHL rocks Posted December 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, combover said: Sure but that’s not HIS COACH. he hired resigned his guy. his guy failed I’m sure we’ll all remember his team when we are once a gain capped out and can’t resign players. He couldn’t get the job done he paid 5.5 million to a coach that lasted 3 months he deserved to be fired and to say he did a good job is just as laughable he had 8 years countless mulligans on failures and misses. pretty tough to not assemble some pieces after 8 SEASONS. I’m over it, Benning lovers can continue to pump him and blame Gillis ect And continue to love the loser excuses. bennings gone and I couldn’t be happier. Good bye and good riddance. He was an average gm best. Let's move on.. He's no longer gm here It's over.. 2 2 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, ABNucksfan said: The nice thing about older defencmen is they get smarter and steady with age. OEL is also not old still in his prime. True enough, I think he'll age well 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, N4ZZY said: I've also been high on Demko for many years, and believed that he was the franchise goalie for this team. We should've moved Markström before he walked to UFA. Could've gotten a decent haul for him, and that prospect or pick could've been in Abby right now developing. Unfortunately, a big part of Benning's tenure has been to allow his players who eventually became free agents the next season, to just walk for nothing. I don't know how that's ever a "good" strategy, but it was consistent with him. Not sure what the logic was behind that. The Dan Hamhuis and Vrbata non trades when we were supposedly "rebuilding/retooling" were definitely a sign of things to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: I've also been high on Demko for many years, and believed that he was the franchise goalie for this team. We should've moved Markström before he walked to UFA. Could've gotten a decent haul for him, and that prospect or pick could've been in Abby right now developing. Unfortunately, a big part of Benning's tenure has been to allow his players who eventually became free agents the next season, to just walk for nothing. I don't know how that's ever a "good" strategy, but it was consistent with him. Not sure what the logic was behind that. It was never realistic to trade Markstrom at that point. Playoffs were in sight. No GM trades their starting goaltender when winning is on the line. Benning should have done more of the selling in previous years. Trading Markstrom was always a dumb idea at that point. Something some fans do not understand. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNucksfan Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Viper007 said: We all knew he was a rental. He was Boeser's replacement at the time. Boeser was out and they needed another top 6 guy. The team was going all in on trying to make the playoffs, so that the JT Miller traded 1st rounder wasn't a lottery pick that following season. No we all didn’t know Toffoli was a rental. And the team could have absolutely kept him around if it wasn’t for handcuffing ourselves into silly bottom 6 contracts. Would you rather have Toffoli or Pearson+Lammikko? Either way all the fluff aside it was a stupid move by benning hence why I brought it up in the first place. Trading futures for rentals on a team that didn’t even have a chance of sniffing the Stanley cup champions jock straps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Sharpshooter said: More like.. BRUCE, THERE HE IS! BRUCE, THERE HE IS! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Viper007 Posted December 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, ABNucksfan said: No we all didn’t know Toffoli was a rental. And the team could have absolutely kept him around if it wasn’t for handcuffing ourselves into silly bottom 6 contracts. Would you rather have Toffoli or Pearson+Lammikko? Either way all the fluff aside it was a stupid move by benning hence why I brought it up in the first place. Trading futures for rentals on a team that didn’t even have a chance of sniffing the Stanley cup champions jock straps. Ya they couldn't get the OEL trade done sooner. The canucks weren't willing to give up on Demko, which was the proper move. But I would rather have Garland than Toffoli, so it worked out no? 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, Patel Bure said: Who's blaming Gillis? After the Canucks lost to the Kings in 2012, Gillis went up to ownership with a plan to do a scorched earth rebuild in which we'd trade our top players, at their peaks, for very elite prospects. Aqua's told Gillis to 'F off' unfortunately. When Benning took over the team in 2014, the values of our top players had greatly diminished. Gillis wasn't the one to blame at all (although even you must admit that Gillis' drafting was off the charts terrible). Ownership was. I think that was after 2013 not 2012, gotta remember the Keith cheap shot on Daniel that had him miss the first 3 games of the playoffs. I think most felt the Canucks still had a chance to compete for the cup but after being swept in '13 Gillis definitely went to ownership with a plan to alter course (I recall them shopping Edler at the same draft they made the Schneider trade). Maybe Benning told ownership what they wanted to hear. Regardless even if the course was wrong some of the targets they paid assets for (Clendening/Gudbranson/Sbisa) were still bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, Devron44 said: It was never realistic to trade Markstrom at that point. Playoffs were in sight. No GM trades their starting goaltender when winning is on the line. Benning should have done more of the selling in previous years. Trading Markstrom was always a dumb idea at that point. Something some fans do not understand. Weren't we out of a playoff spot though at the point in the season? Not sure if I remember correctly, but we were a fringe "maybe we'll make it, maybe we won't" at best. We for sure weren't a top contender quality team. The bubble play-ins definitely helped us out. In hindsight it was definitely good though that we kept Marky for that run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Overall I like some of the things Benning did but it was time and the fact that Aquilini could pick a better head coach than he could says a lot. Was Boudreau available in 2017? (when Benning hired Green). I agree with you that it was time for Benning to go. Things were getting toxic and ownership needed to make a decision to appease the rising toxicity amongst the fans. I also agree that Benning's biggest mistake was that he was too loyal to Green. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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