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3 hours ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

Bullsh*t.

 

Covid does not resemble the flu.

 

There are thousands of people dying every day in N America due to it... lethality is far more than the flu.

 

Even those who are double vacinated are getting infected, and a lot of them end up in hospital.  Those who are not vaccinated end up in hospital at 10 times the rate.

 

Its a question of numbers and the fact the health care system gets overwhelmed.

 

If you let it run rampant, then the health care system gets swamped and those so-called 'mild' Covid cases which can normally be solved with hospital stays/oxygen/antiviral drugs suddenly are no longer mild because there is no room/no oxygen/no drugs in the hospitals and people start dying in hallways from the 'mild' cases.  That is what happened in India when their health care system got overwhelmed.  By realistic estimates India lost nearly 4 million people to Covid during their last surge.

 

And this doesn't even count the number of ordinary patients who need surgery for car accidents/strokes/heart attacks/etc. who would be compromised if the wards are swamped with Covid cases.

 

Do some basic research and stop peddling cr*p.

Omicrom resembles the flu. 

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18 minutes ago, StanleyCupOneDay said:


I don’t think it’s a stretch to say Covid would have taken 10x the lives if we did nothing (in fact I’d argue even higher then that). I have no data to share on that front, but with how interconnected our world is today compared to when the last pandemic took 50 million lives now with planes, trains, buses, offices, concerts, sports and all other forms of inter connectivity not invented at that time it probably would have spread like wildfire, especially at the beginning.

 

I also don’t think it’s fair to compare the US to Canada or even our province in respect to COVID. If we really want to understand the impact here, we should use the data from here. On that front I do have something to share. During 10 months of COVID, more British Columbians died then in the last decade of flu deaths according to stats Canada.

 

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/b-c-has-recorded-more-deaths-from-covid-19-than-10-years-of-the-flu-1.5255084

 

I think you’re right that it’s impossible to know the impacts of the pandemic, some I’m sure yet to be discovered. Overall though given the data I see I definitely come down on the side of restrictions and precautions being good, necessary and successful. They have impacts on business, the economy and livelihoods and it’s far tougher for a lot more people during this pandemic, but I don’t view anything as more important than saving lives.
 

We’re all suffering in our own ways, but if that means more grandmas, grandpas, moms, dads, brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, cousins, aunts and uncles get the chance to live the rest of their lives however they see fit, then imo it’s worth it in the end.

I feel like this news article needs to be fact checked by someone smarter than me. When I go to the source they are quoting it shows an average of 19.4 deaths per 100,000 from influenza and pnemonia over the 5 years in fact stats Canada shows influenza and oneumia as around the 6th leading cause of death over the years prior to covid. If BC has a population of 5 mlliion then that is roughly 970 per year not 864 over 10 years. Maybe I am missing something. 

 

But if you look at my first post it was specific to Canada  

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7 minutes ago, StanleyCupOneDay said:


I too know mental health impacts from this pandemic. I’m sorry that you’re suffering too. I think we’ve all had stress in our minds at times. It’s not a comfortable time to be alive., there are many new challenges to overcome that we’ve never faced before. I haven’t seen a friend in 2 years now. My mom and dad maybe every 3 months for a limited time period. It’s tough on the mind, but all the pain and loneliness just means that I’m alive to feel that and I want to make sure that other people get the chance to do so too. One day this will all be over, don’t know when, don’t know why, don’t know how, but at the end looking back during our time of struggle I don’t want to look back and wish “I could have done more”.

Something to consider is what is a worthwhile risk.  Would you bypass a flight to a tropical destination because there is a chance the plane might crash, a 200 km drive to a park because your might crash or a walk in the woods because a wild animal may choose you as prey?  Truth is we don’t have real problems like getting enough food, untreatable disease or world conquerors invading us so the human brain looks for problems to solve so we meet our survival instincts but truth is it’s never been easier to stay alive so let’s live

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3 hours ago, Canucklehead53 said:

Roughly between 7,000 and 8,500 people die of influenza a year in Canada. Whereas covid has killed 30,000 in Canada since it started and many people have spoken out about questionable causes of death records for covid. With a population of about 38,000,000 that is 0.08% of the population over 2 years. 

 

Covid started in 2019 so in 2 years it killed about twice as many people in Canada as the flu. 

 

Omnicron has a crazy high transmission compared to the prior variants but ICU rates are low (relatively speaking) and don't seem to be following the same curve as infection rates. 

 

A lot of people are saying it is time to consider what measures are necessary and justified. 

 

I am not an expert so am not saying I have the answer but I do think critical thought on everyone's part is a good idea. Be unbiased and listen to everything while looking at the data and numbers yourself. You can't accurately quantify the impacts of the measures to things like mental health, economy, society, etc. 

 

Healthy conversation is good but being positional in arguments is not effective communication. 

Influenza kills 200 to 300 Canadians per year, with no public health measures attempting to abate it. Decades of influenza data is publicly available, just google "fluwatch" (it's a section of Stats Can). The data looks nothing like Covid data, nothing.

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13 minutes ago, BlakeQuinnAndEggs said:

Agree 100% I had omicron its nothing.  Very weak 

I had it and I was briefly hospitalized. x2 vaxxed. No health problems.

 

Veeen three weeks now, still haven’t gotten my sense of taste. Chocolate tastes like water.

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2 minutes ago, Odd. said:

I had it and I was briefly hospitalized. x2 vaxxed. No health problems.

 

Veeen three weeks now, still haven’t gotten my sense of taste. Chocolate tastes like water.

Damn I'm sorry to hear that. I guess its true what they say about how it affects everyone differently.

 

Glad you're on the mend!

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39 minutes ago, FaninMex said:

How about playoffs

 

 

EP with the screens on goals by Miller and Hughes.

 

Hey, what happened to EP? Seriously. He's not going to the net anymore. If we get EP going, I think we will make the playoffs.

 

That game was the most exciting game since 2011 playoffs.

 

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