Pears Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 hour ago, MattWN. said: Jesus christ. Management/Ownership wouldn't have paid OEL 20 million to f**k off if they could have just traded Garland for a 2nd, or for another cheaper asset. The fact that they backed up a brinks truck to OELs door is all the proof this forum should ever need that Garland has no trade value, he has negative value if anything. It doesn't matter if you think he's a good player, his value based on his cap dollar and term is a negative asset for a winger who was #384 in points per dollar. Nobody is calling about Garland. You aren't getting Peeke for Garland. You aren't getting a cheaper effective C for Garland. Please stop. Good god man what is with this hate parade you’re running on Garland recently? No matter what you say about him he’s not this bum you’re desperately trying to make out to be. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, R3aL said: FRIENDS STICK TOGETHER Not sure why this poster is swearing and condescending to CDC’s player valuations, after making proposals that are so highly in favour of the home team. Ah well…back on ignore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Pears said: Good god man what is with this hate parade you’re running on Garland recently? No matter what you say about him he’s not this bum you’re desperately trying to make out to be. Trying to give Eddie Vedder a run for his money? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coho8888 Posted June 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) Garland isn’t garbage. He’s just a bit difficult to afford at 4.9 million especially given the flat cap. The OEL buyout gives us the flexibility to retain some salary and trade Garland to get a decent pick or prospect back. Garland has three years cost controlled for a team that has trouble signing FA’s i.e. Winnipeg, Columbus, Buffalo etc. can be inserted in a top 6 role and put up 50 points. Edited June 17, 2023 by coho8888 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Garland, Beau, and Boeser are underachieving compared to their salaries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 CDC TO garland: Garland coming into next season: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Garland, Beau, and Boeser are underachieving compared to their salaries. Was Beau? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 minute ago, R3aL said: Was Beau? Nope. He was on a 50 point, 22 goal pace with us. Very good value for 4.1 mil. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 hours ago, BPA said: Would have been better buying out Garland instead. Would be 6yrs and less than $2M per year. Not if you desperate to get rid of OEL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Junkyard Dog said: For sure. Ideally we’d trade one of our wingers Garland/Boeser/Beauv for a 3rd C in a hockey trade for a team in need of wingers. Save our cap for a D. Islanders are another team with Pageau who’s a solid defensive 3rd C that wins draws, plays with an edge or supplies secondary scoring. He’s a bit more pricey with cap, a bit smaller and is a bit older but fits the mold for the most part. We should start identifying teams that can move a C for a wing. Unless we’re fine spending picks/prospects for a guy like Laughton from the rebuilding Flyers. A cap for cap move wing for C would allow us to spend more on D. Goodrow in NY would be another target. 1 hour ago, MattWN. said: Sure, that would be great, but C position has a lot more value than W. There are a bunch of teams out there with a glutton of wingers who are short on NHL calibre centres. There is just no reason for teams to be paying for an undersized winger on a average-below average contract with term. Guys like Pageau while not worth a lot, still are substantially more valuable for Garland for all the reasons you mentioned. Even if Pageau for Garland was a wash for contract lenth and dollar, you'd still need to add for the difference in position. You're not wrong, precisely why we can use some of our new found cap space to help a team like the Rangers out of their cap bind. Something like Garland ($4.95) for Goodrow ($3.64) + Lindgren ($3 and expiring) helps them clear $1.7m (of their tight) cap, a needed upgrade at 2RW, and allows them to replace those two (arguably overpriced) contracts with cheaper prospects/UFA's. Meanwhile it shifts some of our winger cap to more needed 3C and 3LD, clears $1.3m after this season etc. These are just the types of deals they'll have to swing. Bonus points if we can add something to snag Laff as well. That said, I'd still prefer something around Garland ++ for Sissons and Prokop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Nope. He was on a 50 point, 22 goal pace with us. Very good value for 4.1 mil. I still think we keep Beau and trade Boeser and/or Garland. Beauvillier-Miller-Mikheyev is a very good second line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 29 minutes ago, spook007 said: Not if you desperate to get rid of OEL? I guess so. Last season was a bad year BUT he supposedly had a broken foot. The year before he wasn’t too bad as a #3/4 D. Still overpaid as a #3/4D. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 35 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Nope. He was on a 50 point, 22 goal pace with us. Very good value for 4.1 mil. Beau point production trailed off once he was taken off EP and Kuz line. So don’t expect him to be at that pace next year unless he’s on their line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, BPA said: I guess so. Last season was a bad year BUT he supposedly had a broken foot. The year before he wasn’t too bad as a #3/4 D. Still overpaid as a #3/4D. Agree 100%. However, Tocchet has worked with OEL before, and I think, he may have convinced PA that this won't get any better. I think its about value for dollars. If they think they can get a player in to play OELs position better at 3 or even $4M, then if well worth it... especially if they expect some of the defenders on ELCs to be able to come in and take up spaces. Ideal? Not at all, but probably the lesser of two evils, or at least thats how management sees it... Edited June 17, 2023 by spook007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, spook007 said: Agree 100%. However, Tocchet has worked with OEL before, and I think, he may have convinced PA that this won't get any better. I think its about value for dollars. If they think they can get a player in to play OELs position better at 3 or even $4M, then if well worth it... especially if they expect some of the defenders on ELCs to be able to come in and take up spaces. Ideal? Not at all, but probably the lesser of two evils, or at least thats how management sees it... So who can the Canucks possibly get at $3-4M playing top 4D minutes? Edited June 17, 2023 by BPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 minute ago, BPA said: So who can the Canucks possibly get at $3-4M playing top 4D minutes? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, aGENT said: Explain to me why Soucy would not just re-sign with Seattle for $3-4M? Did Seattle indicate they would move off of Soucy? Edited June 17, 2023 by BPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 minute ago, BPA said: Explain to me why Soucy would not just re-sign with Seattle for $3-4M? Did Seattle indicate they would move off of Soucy? Hasn't signed yet. Less crowded blue line, opportunity to probably play top 4 next to Hronek vs 3rd pair in SEA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, BPA said: So who can the Canucks possibly get at $3-4M playing top 4D minutes? Soucy, maybe, but tbh they need a player thay can play top 4. Even if it cost $5M... without a player able to play top 4 its all irrelevant... OEL last year was a bottom pairing dman and just a waste of $7.2M... Now time will tell if they can get better with less money in a couple of years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: Nope. He was on a 50 point, 22 goal pace with us. Very good value for 4.1 mil. That’s what I was saying don’t get why he was listed there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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