Popular Post You Mad Bro? Posted February 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2022 Thank God there’s finally a thread to discuss trading Miller 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, You Mad Bro? said: Thank God there’s finally a thread to discuss trading Miller You mad bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Mad Bro? Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, HKSR said: You mad bro? No just pointing out there’s been about 10 of these threads the last few weeks 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux_win Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 45 minutes ago, khay said: Unfortunately, other teams have managed their cap better and are in position to compete. We are not. That's why cap blah blah blah matters. Trade Miller and get young pieces back. Draft well for the next two years and come out in better cap situation with Myers, Pearson, Hamonic, Luongo cap-recapture, and Holtby + Virtanen buyouts all coming off the books over the next two seasons. We will have about 20+ million dollars to operate with. The next two years is a great chance to retool while assessing what we have in our forwards like Petey, Podz, Hoglander, Garland, Horvat, and Boeser. That top 6 is missing some size, grit, and goal scoring and we will have the draft picks, young players, and cap space to address the missing pieces. Podz-Petey-Boeser (~14 mil + Podz RFA) Hog-Horvat-Garland (~ 11 mil + Hog RFA) Entire 3rd line. Higmore-Lammikko-Motte (~ 5 mil if we re-sign Motte to 1.5-2 mil) Hughes-Schneider (7 mil + Schneider RFA) OEL-Poolman (10 mil) Bottom pairing Demko (5 mil) Backup Around 30 mil space. We've been optimistically building for the future for 50 years. Call me impatient but I want to start winning now. I say offer Miller a new contract, add a bit more muscle on cheap contracts, and start beating up teams right now. All it takes is more confidence and less listening to the media shills for the big money teams. We have the talent, we just don't have any confidence. We could still win the Stanley Cup this year if we really wanted to. And even if we didn't, just pretending that we could would be a good thing for our sagging confidence. We have to stop acting like a farm system for the more competitive teams and start winning some games ourselves. GCG! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Just now, You Mad Bro? said: No just pointing out there’s been about 10 of these threads the last few weeks I... think... you may have missed the.... nevermind.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, nux_win said: We've been optimistically building for the future for 50 years. Call me impatient but I want to start winning now. I say offer Miller a new contract, add a bit more muscle on cheap contracts, and start beating up teams right now. All it takes is more confidence and less listening to the media shills for the big money teams. We have the talent, we just don't have any confidence. We could still win the Stanley Cup this year if we really wanted to. And even if we didn't, just pretending that we could would be a good thing for our sagging confidence. We have to stop acting like a farm system for the more competitive teams and start winning some games ourselves. GCG! I share the same frustration that you have. If we go on a winning streak and playoffs become reality, then I can see us keeping Miller, adding a 3LD and going for the playoffs. But if we hold the current pattern of win one lose one, then I think we should do that optimistic building again. In short, this team needs an upgrade in many positions before it can contend. I know it sucks but that's the truth. I think we were on the right trajectory until 2020 but that 2020 off season screwed everything over. We gotta retool now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimmy Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 25 minutes ago, You Mad Bro? said: No just pointing out there’s been about 10 of these threads the last few weeks 10 threads should make a thick enough rope to pull me out of this quagmire of analysis and anxiety ...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said: Its pretty much just 50% more term, as a team would get 2 playoffs with miller and 3 with Toffoli. So far two ... one for us... one for Montreal. Pretty sure that's all they will get too lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, nux_win said: We've been optimistically building for the future for 50 years. Call me impatient but I want to start winning now. I say offer Miller a new contract, add a bit more muscle on cheap contracts, and start beating up teams right now. All it takes is more confidence and less listening to the media shills for the big money teams. We have the talent, we just don't have any confidence. We could still win the Stanley Cup this year if we really wanted to. And even if we didn't, just pretending that we could would be a good thing for our sagging confidence. We have to stop acting like a farm system for the more competitive teams and start winning some games ourselves. GCG! You are not being realistic when saying we could win a cup this year. Take off the rose coloured glasses. We are right up against the cap. You can’t just go out and add players through free agency that will impact the roster without money to spend on them.You ever think Miller realizes we aren’t close and might want to go to another team? Also factor in the new management has already said it will be two years from being competitive and contenders. I find it funny that people believe we are close to winning a cup. Compare our roster to Tampas and Colorado and we aren’t anywhere close. Edited February 14, 2022 by Canuckfanforlife82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, nux_win said: We've been optimistically building for the future for 50 years. Call me impatient but I want to start winning now. I say offer Miller a new contract, add a bit more muscle on cheap contracts, and start beating up teams right now. All it takes is more confidence and less listening to the media shills for the big money teams. We have the talent, we just don't have any confidence. We could still win the Stanley Cup this year if we really wanted to. And even if we didn't, just pretending that we could would be a good thing for our sagging confidence. We have to stop acting like a farm system for the more competitive teams and start winning some games ourselves. GCG! I've only seen a few Canucks teams in our history actually build for the future. Not sure we are doing that right now. Edited February 14, 2022 by IBatch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, IBatch said: I've only seen a few Canucks teams in our history actually build for the future. Not sure we are doing that right now. In fairness, before the cap era, you could build a team way faster... depends on how big a pocket book existed for that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 3 hours ago, nux_win said: What I don't get is why can't he be that player for us? Why do we have to be a doormat to help other teams win the cup? Why can't we keep our best players to help us win games? Yeah, cap, blah, blah, blah. It's the same cap for everyone. Other teams manage to not only keep their stars but constantly acquire new ones. Why can't we keep enough quality players to start winning ourselves? The eastern based sports media treats us as if we're just a feeder system for the more established teams but why do we fans have to buy into that narrative? GCG! that is pretty easy to answer we are capped out and not good enough to seriously compete how do you propose we fix that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, lmm said: that is pretty easy to answer we are capped out and not good enough to seriously compete how do you propose we fix that? People just want to ignore where we are as a franchise. We aren’t close. Fans so badly want to just make the playoffs but I would rather make the playoffs every year than one year and then be a year behind in a retool. Fans have to start to accept that we are a middle of the pack team. It is the worst spot to be in. Edited February 15, 2022 by Canuckfanforlife82 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rychicken Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 4 hours ago, nux_win said: What I don't get is why can't he be that player for us? Why do we have to be a doormat to help other teams win the cup? Why can't we keep our best players to help us win games? Yeah, cap, blah, blah, blah. It's the same cap for everyone. Other teams manage to not only keep their stars but constantly acquire new ones. Why can't we keep enough quality players to start winning ourselves? The eastern based sports media treats us as if we're just a feeder system for the more established teams but why do we fans have to buy into that narrative? GCG! so, how do we get better to get out of mediocrity at best? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Tannen Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 4 hours ago, nux_win said: What I don't get is why can't he be that player for us? Why do we have to be a doormat to help other teams win the cup? Why can't we keep our best players to help us win games? Yeah, cap, blah, blah, blah. It's the same cap for everyone. Other teams manage to not only keep their stars but constantly acquire new ones. Why can't we keep enough quality players to start winning ourselves? The eastern based sports media treats us as if we're just a feeder system for the more established teams but why do we fans have to buy into that narrative? GCG! Didn't he end up in Vancouver because Tampa needed the cap space? Canucks are up against the ceiling and need to make changes. Miller's age, value and contract status make him one of the most likely to be moved. Also, the cap's not really the same for everyone when you take factor in the tax rates. This thread is dumb, I think everyone (apart from the OP) did factor in Miller being a UFA in 2023 and the fact Toffoli has one more year. A year and a half of one of the best players available should be pretty valuable and any team could extend him next season. We should get much more than Montreal did and if the offer isn't good enough we keep him which isn't too bad either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux_win Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, rychicken said: so, how do we get better to get out of mediocrity at best? We play better with the team we have. Instead of constantly turning over personnel we need a new attitude, one of not giving up. The fans have already given up on the season when there are still plenty of games left to win. We have good enough players to win just not enough confidence. I hope the players keep playing. The business side of things gets way too much attention. GCG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux_win Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said: Didn't he end up in Vancouver because Tampa needed the cap space? Canucks are up against the ceiling and need to make changes. Miller's age, value and contract status make him one of the most likely to be moved. Also, the cap's not really the same for everyone when you take factor in the tax rates. This thread is dumb, I think everyone (apart from the OP) did factor in Miller being a UFA in 2023 and the fact Toffoli has one more year. A year and a half of one of the best players available should be pretty valuable and any team could extend him next season. We should get much more than Montreal did and if the offer isn't good enough we keep him which isn't too bad either. It doesn't matter why he's here, he's here now and he's producing for us so obviously we need to ship him out as soon as possible. Maybe I'm wrong but I assume that players are here to play hockey. We need to play more hockey and play less General Managing. GCG! P.S. - I agree on one thing, this thread is dumb. I regret even participating, but I'm here now. I won't be for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, nux_win said: We play better with the team we have. Instead of constantly turning over personnel we need a new attitude, one of not giving up. The fans have already given up on the season when there are still plenty of games left to win. We have good enough players to win just not enough confidence. I hope the players keep playing. The business side of things gets way too much attention. GCG! Do we have good enough players to win? The year has been so up and down. They stunk in the beginning. Went on a win streak to get closer. Now they are playing .500. It’s probably what they are a .500 team. Oh would you look at that they are a .500 team. Right now the stats and the standing show they aren’t good enough. The last game against Toronto, they were awful defensively. Demko is a big reason we are where we are and we are still .500. Saying we have good enough players doesn’t make sense considering they had to fire the gm and coach and considering where they sit in stats/standings. Edited February 15, 2022 by Canuckfanforlife82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux_win Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said: Do we have good enough players to win? The year has been so up and down. They stunk in the beginning. Went on a win streak to get back into it. Now they are playing .500. It’s probably what they are a .500 team. Oh would you look at that they are a .500 team. Right now the stats and the standing show they aren’t good enough. The last game against Toronto, they were awful defensively. Demko is a big reason we are where we are and we are still .500. Saying we have good enough players doesn’t make sense considering they had to fire the gm and coach and what the stats/standings suggest. We have the players we have. I want to try to win games now instead of constantly shuffling the deck hoping for a better hand at some vague time in the future. Or in other words "yes" I do think we have good enough players to win, just the wrong attitude. Petey is a great player who lacks confidence. That just about sums up our team (and our fan base). Give him some protection out there and I think he'll do fine (muscle is cheap, it's skill that's expensive). Demko is a great Canuck and we shouldn't be embarrassed that he's playing well for us. We should in fact get behind him and try to get him some wins. Now! GCG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 19 minutes ago, nux_win said: We have the players we have. I want to try to win games now instead of constantly shuffling the deck hoping for a better hand at some vague time in the future. Or in other words "yes" I do think we have good enough players to win, just the wrong attitude. Petey is a great player who lacks confidence. That just about sums up our team (and our fan base). Give him some protection out there and I think he'll do fine (muscle is cheap, it's skill that's expensive). Demko is a great Canuck and we shouldn't be embarrassed that he's playing well for us. We should in fact get behind him and try to get him some wins. Now! GCG! Lol, this is silly talk. Haha all of it. Silly. Haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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