DeNiro Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Muttley said: Horvats a minus one. It happens. Horvat has 0 hits. that's unacceptable even in a game we're winning, and we weren't. Yah, I'd say that comes in to question. Heavy sigh. I mean maybe the whole Horvat/Miller feud was blown out of proportion. But I’m starting to think Horvat has been kind of cast aside as leader of the team. Something is affecting his confidence on the ice. He doesn’t look close to the same player he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: How about we attack their smaller skilled guys, like Zegras? No way that show off punk should have skated off the ice after that game. No one on the team was hitting anybody let alone their star. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: I mean maybe the whole Horvat/Miller feud was blown out of proportion. But I’m starting to think Horvat has been kind of cast aside as leader of the team. Something is affecting his confidence on the ice. He doesn’t look close to the same player he was. We could trade Bo and Miller? Bo, will for sure want to stay. But Miller is gone as soon as he gets to free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: Domi Horvat Boeser That is a line I would like to see! domi really sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: No one on the team was hitting anybody let alone their star. And that's the non measurable we are very much lacking. We are a soft team, and way too easy to play against. We need a Bobby Clarke led Flyers' type club. Bring in guys who will try to do serious damage to the other team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: We could trade Bo and Miller? Bo, will for sure want to stay. But Miller is gone as soon as he gets to free agency. It’s pretty bad when Pettersson has more hits that Bo. You cant throw one hit? What does that say about his leadership? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: And that's the non measurable we are very much lacking. We are a soft team, and way too easy to play against. We need a Bobby Clarke led Flyers' type club. Bring in guys who will try to do serious damage to the other team. Yep and I hope JR is looking for those players to go along with the speed and skill. The Sedins know the value of players like Rypien, Hordichuck, Torres, Glass etc. They don’t have to be goons they just need to be willing to take care of business. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HKSR Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 37 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: Yeah he should but team's gotta show up for him Especially when he shows up for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 11 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Seen way too much of this from Bo over the last few years. Bo the Ox died when they pinned a C to his chest. It's either too heavy a burden or he treated that letter as mission accomplished. I wouldn't be upset if he's moved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Some stats on our playoff reality from Jeff Paterson. JR and PA know this team is very likely to miss the playoffs again with no cap room. They will be making changes: for those that believe playoffs are still realistic goal for #Canucks, you have to also believe team won’t lose more than 10 more games in regulation. 21-10 over final 31 would yield 42 points + 52 they’ve already amassed. More than 10 regulation losses and they can’t gain 42 pts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, luckylager said: Seen way too much of this from Bo over the last few years. Bo the Ox died when they pinned a C to his chest. It's either too heavy a burden or he treated that letter as mission accomplished. I wouldn't be upset if he's moved. What I do know is that they always choose passive leaders. I have never understood why they haven’t chosen a captain who can lead by example and be vocal at the same time. Maybe they don’t have that person. Miller is the closest thing to it but he also losses his cool at bad times during the game and at times does not lead by example on the ice (When he is lazy going to the bench or does not back check). Edited February 20, 2022 by Canuckfanforlife82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brad Marchand Posted February 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2022 I'm honestly impressed that the previous management group built a team that's both small and slow. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 11 minutes ago, AC30 said: Something is up with this team looks like the BB effect has worn off 7 straight wins has turned into inconsistency have they given up on the season? Yep, they are a .500 team over thier last 17 games. The Bruce bump is no longer relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Brad Marchand said: I'm honestly impressed that the previous management group built a team that's both small and slow. Very impressed. It’s just so weird that after 7 years they couldn’t even explain what they were. They were saying we want our team to be this yet couldn’t build it that way for some reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted February 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I mean maybe the whole Horvat/Miller feud was blown out of proportion. But I’m starting to think Horvat has been kind of cast aside as leader of the team. Something is affecting his confidence on the ice. He doesn’t look close to the same player he was. I really think the bolded is true for many (possibly all) of the players up and down this lineup. My feeling with this team is that the events of the past couple years have added up and created a systemic issue, when it comes to team culture, buy-in, willingness to give their all, trust/confidence is the organization, etc. It’s a combination of many things. The departure of team leaders and “culture carriers,” combined with the sense that many well-liked and respected players were disrespected on the way out; management and ownership going MIA during the Covid outbreak and the Virtanen scandal, poor overall messaging and communication by the previous regime, and a lack of support and “togetherness,” from the top down. Combine this with a lot of losing (and losing badly), a lack of direction, changes obviously needing to happen, players waiting for ownership to act, finger pointing and the forming of “factions,” and you had a real sickness that crept into this team, building over two years (or more, arguably). The team responded to the coaching change, and the fresh air Bruce’s arrival brought to a suffocating group, but that was always going to be a short term boost. Rebuilding the culture and identity of this team, organization wide, is a long term process, especially when issues were allowed to fester as long as they did, and there was a leadership void, from management and ownership, which clearly led to players tuning out and no longer buying in. It’s going to take some time. The team right now seems only able to elevate their game on an individual level. Players can have strong individual performances, which are enough to win games, especially when it’s guys like Demmer or JT having big games. But those performances are inconsistent and we never seem to see this group firing on all cylinders. We never really get that full team effort. And this IMO is because these guys haven’t really felt like a “team” for a long time. There hasn’t been that group identity. Don’t get me wrong. The boys still play for each other and there are close relationships in the room. It’s just that at some point, a disconnect happened, due to the players feeling unsupported by this organization, because of a number of key failures, particularly at the management level. I do think we have the people in place now to start to heal and rebuild the culture. But it’s a process and there’s a lot of work to be done. Right now it’s still a waiting game because the players know roster changes are coming, but they don’t know who’s going and who’s staying. There’s still a lot of uncertainty. And there’s still carryover from the malaise that had built up under the old regime. And that “sickness” probably won’t be “cured” until at least next season, with a true fresh start and everyone building in a new direction, under this new regime. But when you have this many players underachieving, lacking consistency, showing shattered confidence, failing to pull together, only sporadically elevating their games, displaying fragility, lacking focus, poor preparation (especially when it comes to having bad starts/first periods in key games), seeming to lack pride in the jersey, and just not looking like the same players they used to be, it’s rarely about the players themselves, but points to systemic issues within an organization. These problems don’t happen overnight. And, unfortunately, they also don’t go away overnight. It’s going to take time. And JR, Allvin, and the rest of the management group really have some work to to. But I’m optimistic they’re up for the task. I’m just not expecting significant results (at least sustainable ones) until at least next season. Edited February 20, 2022 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME 2 2 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Now is the time to make moves for the future. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Wow! What a slugfest in here. We stunk up the joint. There were some positives. We threatened to come back several times after being down 5-zip in the first period. Petey had a great game (and for those hating on Bo, Petey took the 'Figurative C' and showed the way). Everybody has to learn from this game, JR, BB, Bo, Miller, everybody. But they don't need to dwell on it, and neither do we. Just get ready to gut out a win next game, no matter what it takes. Learn, reset, work, and practice, practice, practice. (And lets get Duster Goldie Goldthorpe to sit on the bench and glower.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 37 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I mean maybe the whole Horvat/Miller feud was blown out of proportion. But I’m starting to think Horvat has been kind of cast aside as leader of the team. Something is affecting his confidence on the ice. He doesn’t look close to the same player he was. My question with Horat is whether he can be a solid 3C on a Cup contender? The stats says yes but can he truly carry a line? Bo hasn't had a lot of talent to play with during his time. There will be changes and as I said before I think the only truly safe holds are Demko, Hughes and Petey. Hoping that whoever comes back in trades can compliment the existing roster. Since JR wants youth and speed the immediate result on the ice could take another couple of years, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wolfgang Durst Posted February 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, DeNiro said: The problem is we have no one to fight him that’s a good trade off. He’s looking to take a guy like Schenn off for 5 minutes which would have put us down to 4 D. We need someone in the bottom 6 that can take on guys like him. If they go in the box we’re not at a bigger disadvantage. down to 4 D for five minutes should not be a big deal for a team. More important than being down to 4 D is sending a message to Deslaurier and the whole Anaheim team. It's quite telling that no canucks player had the heart ! to stick up for Burroughs. This team isn't going anywhere. Lacks toughness / Lacks speed / lacks mentality / lacks a legitimate 3C ... and so on .... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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