(Rumour) Giroux to FLA for Tippett, Samoskevich and draft pick

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1 hour ago, IBatch said:

Have to think when Claude G gets moved ... that it leaves Miller as the remaining best trade chip.    Wonder if we'd take the same deal with Florida if COL swoops in - or what COL would be willing to give up for Miller.   Been saying for months now COL is a good match because of their Kadri situation.  

 

Kadri situation AND MacKinnon getting a raise situation. Miller works so well for them, for so many reasons.

 

1 hour ago, IBatch said:

Plus we all know how Kadri likes to get suspended in the post season lol.   It would help them a lot down the middle - and fix their next year issue.    To me COL always made the most sense for COL (Miller), but could see Allvin not wanting him landing in our own conference too.     Byram for Miller would be tough not to take.   In this case we could move QHs or Byram to the right side (they've both played both sides)...or just have three lines with top four talent on them which is exactly why our D was so good during the peak Sedin era.    Yes concussions.   COL can't afford all their guys for long...this year and next year is their cup window cap wise. 

 

Too big of a concussion risk. I want Newhook and Barron.

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1 hour ago, IBatch said:

Long game it likely is the right move but don't think the fans have the patience for a re-set on the rebuild either.  Not sure the owners do either. 

It's definitely the right move, and let's not lump all of us fans together 

 

As for ownership, they hired the guys who immediately came out and basically said that was the plan. Have to think they're on board for a little mini-reset.

[Off_The_Schneid!]

1 hour ago, Teemu Selänne said:

Tippett, Samoskevich and a pick is a pretty solid return for Philly. Tippett is already NHL ready and Samo is definitely a bluechip. Getting two right handed forwards for rh C is a big boost for their youth. If the pick is a 1st that's a very solid haul.

 

I'm not at all on the JT Miller-trade train now (I think they should keep him), but if that's the cost for rental Giroux ends up being, then a signed JT Miller is actually worth something in the realm of Schneider (similar value to Tippett), Othmann (similar value to Samo), a 1st (what PHI is maybe getting) + a 2nd or 3rd or Kravtsov (for him being signed) or Byram (Tippett), Barron (Samo), a 1st 2023 and a 3rd this year.

 

Just saying, if you're a new GM trying to make a mark on his team that's gotta be a very tough decision. Glad I'm not making it

Florida doesn’t have a first to give 

they traded this years first for Reinhardt and 2023 first for Chiarot 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, aGENT said:

It's definitely the right move, and let's not lump all of us fans together 

 

As for ownership, they hired the guys who immediately came out and basically said that was the plan. Have to think they're on board for a little mini-reset.

What's a "little mini-reset"?  Is that a "retool"?  Isn't that what's been going on here for the last 8 years?  Make a couple mini moves in hopes to get into the playoffs?

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Just now, Alflives said:

What's a "little mini-reset"?  Is that a "retool"?  Isn't that what's been going on here for the last 8 years?  Make a couple mini moves in hopes to get into the playoffs?

No, we've been rebuilding. As in building a new core (Hughes, Petey, Demko, Horvat) for the last 8 years.

 

We need a small retool around them. Cash in valuable vets to build around their contention window.

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, aGENT said:

No, we've been rebuilding. As in building a new core (Hughes, Petey, Demko, Horvat) for the last 8 years.

 

We need a small retool around them. Cash in valuable vets to build around their contention window.

So Miller, Garland, Boeser, and all players (not on their ELC or prospects) are pieces to be moved to make us better over the long term?  For sure we take a step or two back if we move Miller.  But if the plan is to contend in 2-3 years (mini-reset) then Miller has to go, right?  

[aGENT]

5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

So Miller, Garland, Boeser, and all players (not on their ELC or prospects) are pieces to be moved to make us better over the long term?  For sure we take a step or two back if we move Miller.  But if the plan is to contend in 2-3 years (mini-reset) then Miller has to go, right?  

Boeser and Garland are both young enough to contribute to that window. Their question is more about fit, cap hits etc.

 

Miller, absolutely. Motte too if he's not willing to re-up in the $1.5-$2 range. Dickinson, if he still has any of his previous value before we acquired him...

 

Hamonic and Schenn expiring next year? Potentially. If not now, next TDL.

 

Myers and Pearson expiring the year after? Ditto.

Edited March 18, 2022 by aGENT

[Nucker 67]

Oh look, it's Philly trading their best veteran player for youth.  What an amazing idea. They know they aren't going to win the Cup with him, so they're looking to the future. Smart.

[rekker]

46 minutes ago, Alflives said:

So Miller, Garland, Boeser, and all players (not on their ELC or prospects) are pieces to be moved to make us better over the long term?  For sure we take a step or two back if we move Miller.  But if the plan is to contend in 2-3 years (mini-reset) then Miller has to go, right?  

Love Miller, but I agree. Whether it's now, or this summer to trade Miller. There are just too many holes on this team, and no internal solutions to them. 

Edited March 18, 2022 by rekker

[c00kies]

9 hours ago, mll said:

Adrian Dater who falsely reported that Giroux had given Fletcher Colorado, St Louis and Minnesota as the teams he would consider.  That was shot down in a hurry - Giroux had never even spoken to Fletcher at the time.  Now Florida emerges as a favourite. 

 

Quebec has to be pissed that Bettman put a team in Fletcher before them.

[c00kies]

48 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Oh look, it's Philly trading their best veteran player for youth.  What an amazing idea. They know they aren't going to win the Cup with him, so they're looking to the future. Smart.

To be fair, Giroux is past his prime at 34, so it makes it easier than trading a player in his prime.

 

That said, not everyone makes the easy decisions...

[Gawdzukes]

11 hours ago, EddieVedder said:

If panthers get giroux, its over. They r cup champs

How long have you been watching hockey? Adding a player no matter how good never guarantees anything. Not even close.

 

Florida is hella good though. Best I've seen all year.

Edited March 18, 2022 by Gawdzukes

[mll]

 

[Nucker 67]

Trading Miller

 

2022 TDL - Grade A prospect, Top 6 young player and a 1st 

 

2022 Off season - Grade B prospect, Top 6 young player and mid pick

 

2028 when Miller's contract is coming to an end - Canucks will have to give away a pick to shed this contract

 

 

 

[King Heffy]

3 hours ago, IBatch said:

I remember those early 2000 NYR Jagr teams ... they were just ridiculously loaded, all-star teams really.    Actually at times matched Detroit's 2002 arms race player for player really.    Lindros, Jagr, Bure, Fluery, Nedved, Leetch, Holik eventually Shanny etc etc etc ... seemed like whenever a primo guy in his late 20's early 30's came available they all went to New York for a time at least.   It never worked though.   Florida for sure is that team right now the moment CG is moved or maybe anyways.    COL ... well they've got a great team, as does Tampa...Vegas is playing too by hiding Stone and activating Eichel, pretty loaded team as well.    Should make for some exciting playoffs.    Vancouver is a fringe playoff team this year, next year with the same guys you'd have to think we'd also become a regular playoff team for a spell if we keep Miller and trade Brock...not sure it's enough to play with the big boys though, or if Miller should be the chip with or without Brock as well.    Long game it likely is the right move but don't think the fans have the patience for a re-set on the rebuild either.  Not sure the owners do either. 

Florida still has a homegrown core with Ekblad, Barkov, Huberdeau.

[Odjick29willkillyou]

2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

Oh look, it's Philly trading their best veteran player for youth.  What an amazing idea. They know they aren't going to win the Cup with him, so they're looking to the future. Smart.

Take of the day my friend!  TAKE OF THE DAAAAAAAAAAAY!!! 

[-DLC-]

At 34 years old, sure.

 

Guys who just turned 29 a few days ago aren't there yet.....

 

(Philly also has a dozen or so players hitting 30+ and currently sits at  19-30-11 and 49 points. A bit different)

[Elias Pettersson]

3 hours ago, Alflives said:

So Miller, Garland, Boeser, and all players (not on their ELC or prospects) are pieces to be moved to make us better over the long term?  For sure we take a step or two back if we move Miller.  But if the plan is to contend in 2-3 years (mini-reset) then Miller has to go, right?  

We are not contending in 2-3 years if we are trading our best player for picks and projects. 

[-DLC-]

4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

We are not contending in 2-3 years if we are trading our best player for picks and projects. 

Right?  

 

Expect a "start over" deal not an instant upgrade and improvement. We've been spoiled with guys who go from prospect into the line up but it doesn't always happen that way. 

 

I'm not willing to just say scrap it. People trying to sell the narrative that we're not even close yet have always had that take (and often disappear as we work our way into the conversation). 

 

The team's inconsistent for sure...but we've seen what consistency they're working toward and it's better than many here assess it at.

 

Be careful what you wish for (my overused but applicable saying these days)

[Elias Pettersson]

3 hours ago, NUCKER67 said:

Oh look, it's Philly trading their best veteran player for youth.  What an amazing idea. They know they aren't going to win the Cup with him, so they're looking to the future. Smart.

Philly hasn’t won the Cup in almost 40 years. So I wouldn’t really be taking any notes from how they are building their team. 
 

Also, Giroux is pushing 35 years old. He’s been past his prime for awhile and not even Philly is stupid enough to re-sign him to a long term extension.