Nucker 67 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Miller for (RD) Whitecloud, (C/RW) Roy and 1st (2023)? Let them sort out if they can afford him, if they want him so bad 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunjabiCanucks Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 I would rather Miller (50% retained), Rathbone, and a pick Roy and Theodore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Miller for (RD) Whitecloud, (C/RW) Roy and 1st (2023)? Let them sort out if they can afford him, if they want him so bad Like it. Whitecloud is a right-hand, cost controlled defenceman at a reasonable cap hit for several seasons. Paul is that big, right shooting centre who could bolster the third line. I think Vegas would be reluctant to add a first rounder, but you never know. Maybe if Vancouver added Poolman to the trade? Of all the proposals I have seen, this one seems the most realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 hours ago, HKSR said: To VAN: William Karlsson Nicolas Roy Zach Whitecloud 2nd Round Pick To VGK: JT Miller (50% retained) Tucker Poolman ($500k retained) VAN does this as they have a cost controlled 2C in Karlsson at only $5.9 AAV. Could likely find his sniping ability with a playmaker like Kuzmenko/Garland on his wings. Nic Roy makes the 3rd line a real nuisance to play against. A 3rd line of Pearson-Horvat-Roy is a heavy shutdown line that could put up offence too. Whitecloud is a very solid defensive RHD. Exactly what we need. Also get that 2nd round pick (48th OA). VGK does this as they shed over $4M in cap space. As Pacioretty's contract expires, they can re-sign Miller next year. Poolman plays the role that Whitecloud did. Sign a solid RHD like Lyubushkin as a UFA and we have: Podkolzin-Petey-Boeser Kuzmenko-Karlsson-Garland Pearson-Horvat-Roy Highmore-Lamikko-Dickinson Hughes-Lyubushkin OEL-Whitecloud Rathbone-Schenn Dermott Roy is a yes, But not this way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 I'd love to add Roy (and Hague if possible) but this deal is meh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Curmudgeon said: Like it. Whitecloud is a right-hand, cost controlled defenceman at a reasonable cap hit for several seasons. Paul is that big, right shooting centre who could bolster the third line. I think Vegas would be reluctant to add a first rounder, but you never know. Maybe if Vancouver added Poolman to the trade? Of all the proposals I have seen, this one seems the most realistic. These guys are free or in the late rounds all the time though. The tanevs, Whiteclouds, weegers ect. You just need a system in place that supports that player, Maximizing his potential. We have been a trash team for a long time now. That is not the right environment hence why we always get the guys who look like pure AHL talent. The tide is changing with abby, Building / Practice facility upgrades... Patience is key. Zero reason to pay a premium while we have soo much wasted cap space and its all coming off the books just as our core star players start reaching prime years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 37 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Miller for (RD) Whitecloud, (C/RW) Roy and 1st (2023)? Let them sort out if they can afford him, if they want him so bad Better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 hours ago, HKSR said: To VAN: William Karlsson Nicolas Roy Zach Whitecloud 2nd Round Pick To VGK: JT Miller (50% retained) Tucker Poolman ($500k retained) VAN does this as they have a cost controlled 2C in Karlsson at only $5.9 AAV. Could likely find his sniping ability with a playmaker like Kuzmenko/Garland on his wings. Nic Roy makes the 3rd line a real nuisance to play against. A 3rd line of Pearson-Horvat-Roy is a heavy shutdown line that could put up offence too. Whitecloud is a very solid defensive RHD. Exactly what we need. Also get that 2nd round pick (48th OA). VGK does this as they shed over $4M in cap space. As Pacioretty's contract expires, they can re-sign Miller next year. Poolman plays the role that Whitecloud did. Sign a solid RHD like Lyubushkin as a UFA and we have: Podkolzin-Petey-Boeser Kuzmenko-Karlsson-Garland Pearson-Horvat-Roy Highmore-Lamikko-Dickinson Hughes-Lyubushkin OEL-Whitecloud Rathbone-Schenn Dermott Not a good trade..1. Karlsson 29, 6'0, C/W - 5 X 5 million 2. Whitecloud 25, 6'2 RD #4 guy 6yrs X 2.75 million 3. Roy 25 - 6'4 C/W - 39 PTS RFA ? 3 yrs X 3 million?4. 2nd rounder 2022... Salary would be problem retaining 4 million and adding roughly 10 million = 14 million? I don't think new management team want to be extended against cap.. I see Miller trade for very good prospect under 23 RD -- roster player under 25- top 9 forward -- draft pick 2nd rounder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 46 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Miller for (RD) Whitecloud, (C/RW) Roy and 1st (2023)? Let them sort out if they can afford him, if they want him so bad Yeah if they're crazy enough to trade for Miller then I'm hoping that JR and Allvin milk their lunacy. Strong, cost controlled RHD, speedy 3rd C and a 1st? Even without getting a blue-chip prospect back this looks like a very solid deal (pair Zach with either Hughes/ OEL, the other gets the other pairing, then move Myers and hopefully revamp the 3rd pair, and we're looking pretty solid all of a sudden). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 (edited) I'd rather take their 1st over Karlsson tbh, but I like the rest of it, I don't want Karlsson's contract on the books Miller to Vegas makes sense, because they'll be able to give him the Patches dollars like you said It's also somewhere I could see him extending Edited June 23, 2022 by Coconuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, Coconuts said: I'd rather take their 1st over Karlsson tbh, but I like the rest of it, I don't want Karlsson's contract on the books Miller to Vegas makes sense, because they'll be able to give him the Patches dollars like you said It's also somewhere I could see him extending I hope he goes full Jamie Benn if he extends with a rival. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Phil_314 said: I hope he goes full Jamie Benn if he extends with a rival. If he extends somewhere else idc tbh, all I care about is what the return is But it'd be funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Tucker Poolman + Michael Ferland for William Karlsson + 2nd round pick That would make sense for both teams. Ferland would go on Vegas' LTIR and they would be getting rid of a lot of money. We would add a cost controlled 2C and add an extra 900k to our payroll, but would then be free to deal one of Bo or JT for help elsewhere. Vegas really likes Nic Roy from what I've read, and they've had a huge deficit of RDs for a couple of years now. Don't think that they would want to trade Whitecloud, one of their only ones that's cheap at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 4 hours ago, HKSR said: To VAN: William Karlsson Nicolas Roy Zach Whitecloud 2nd Round Pick To VGK: JT Miller (50% retained) Tucker Poolman ($500k retained) VAN does this as they have a cost controlled 2C in Karlsson at only $5.9 AAV. Could likely find his sniping ability with a playmaker like Kuzmenko/Garland on his wings. Nic Roy makes the 3rd line a real nuisance to play against. A 3rd line of Pearson-Horvat-Roy is a heavy shutdown line that could put up offence too. Whitecloud is a very solid defensive RHD. Exactly what we need. Also get that 2nd round pick (48th OA). VGK does this as they shed over $4M in cap space. As Pacioretty's contract expires, they can re-sign Miller next year. Poolman plays the role that Whitecloud did. Sign a solid RHD like Lyubushkin as a UFA and we have: Podkolzin-Petey-Boeser Kuzmenko-Karlsson-Garland Pearson-Horvat-Roy Highmore-Lamikko-Dickinson Hughes-Lyubushkin OEL-Whitecloud Rathbone-Schenn Dermott I think Vegas would LOVE to move Karlsson, his production has been in freefall the last few years as he's run into injury problems. You wouldn't have to retain anything to get Vegas to do a deal that removes him, if he has another season like last, he will be a serious buyout candidate for them next summer. He might even be a buyer candidate for them this summer if they are having doubts about him, would save them about 4 million on cap for next season which they badly need. I would say that you could even ship them out Ferland's contract as well so they can use the LTIR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Just as an additional note, I think if you offer sheeted Roy at between 3 - 4 million, 1 year contract with the intention of negotiating a longer term deal for him as soon as eligible, you could probably get him for next year's 2nd round pick, which, based on changes that will be made to this team over the summer, should be in the 45 - 50 range, about 30% of getting an effective player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 31 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: Tucker Poolman + Michael Ferland for William Karlsson + 2nd round pick That would make sense for both teams. Ferland would go on Vegas' LTIR and they would be getting rid of a lot of money. We would add a cost controlled 2C and add an extra 900k to our payroll, but would then be free to deal one of Bo or JT for help elsewhere. Vegas really likes Nic Roy from what I've read, and they've had a huge deficit of RDs for a couple of years now. Don't think that they would want to trade Whitecloud, one of their only ones that's cheap at that. I think Vegas would be pretty happy to move him. I don't think I'd do that deal. If Karlsson doesn't bounce back, you're very possibly buying him out next summer. He's been having more injury problems and has been generally declining on production for as long as that contract has been running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S N Y P E R S 7 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 4 hours ago, HKSR said: Going about what? Moving Myers? Apparently there's a market for 6'8" top 4 RHD with a mean streak... go figure. https://canucksarmy.com/2022/06/07/the-trade-market-for-canucks-d-tyler-myers-might-be-14-teams-bigger-than-we-thought/ with a mean streak??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S N Y P E R S 7 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 that doesn't sound like myers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Roy would be a great fit as our 3C, and Whitecloud woud be a solid (cost controlled) addition to our D. No interest in Karlsson, and with Vegas's cap troubles, I doubt they'd be interested in moving Whitecloud unless it's an overpayment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 2 hours ago, VegasCanuck said: I don't think I'd do that deal. If Karlsson doesn't bounce back, you're very possibly buying him out next summer. He's been having more injury problems and has been generally declining on production for as long as that contract has been running. Yeah I wouldn't do it either after thinking about it. You're right about Karlsson, he fell off after getting that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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