bad alice french Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Just now, mll said: Why would Horvat want to sign in Columbus? Everyone knows that Boston is going to need Cs to replace Bergeron and Krejci. They are atop the East and that was with missing McAvoy, Marchand etc to start the season. Wouldn't surprise me if he targets signing there in the off-season rather than commit to CBJ whose future looks rather unclear. Miller makes way more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: As per Frank Seravalli: And John Shannon said the other day that he's probably easier to move given the cost certainty he now has. So who do you believe? Personally I think it's silly to think that any "win now" team wouldn't be interested in adding a 1ppg (on a crap team no less) power forward, that can win draws/play C in a pinch and is on an expiring bargain deal, with a below market extension already signed. Particularly if we retain and/or take back cap. Look what Calgary just signed Huberdeau for or CBJ the gnome. The market is probably limited to 5, maybe 10 teams, sure. But as long as we take cap back, they have cap expiring, and the rumoured cap increase stays on track...I don't think we'd have any issues finding a few very interested suitors. Edited November 18, 2022 by aGENT 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Just now, bad alice french said: Miller makes way more sense. Makes more sense to us making two maybe three trades to right the ship.If we can't then stay on course trade more and rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) Just solve the RD problem in one big push: -Miller, Rathbone for Voracek, Jiricek (as mentioned) -Bo for Kotkaniemi (Struggling but young) and Morrow -Myers for Niemela Once the RDs are ready we’d have: Hughes Jiricek OEL Morrow Dermott Bear Niemela Works for me Edited November 18, 2022 by Kobayashi Maru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: Just solve the RD problem in one big push: -Miller, Rathbone for Voracek, Jiricek (as mentioned) -Bo for Kotkaniemi (Struggling but young) and Morrow -Myers for Niemela Once the RDs are ready we’d have: Hughes Jiricek OEL Morrow Dermott Bear Niemela Works for me I prefer we take back Gardiner (LTIR) and take Drury and their 1st instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, bad alice french said: Watch management make a huge splash. Myers to Toronto for Nylander and Bo or Miller to Columbus part of a huge package. With those two teams involved and their respective needs and available pieces coming back our way I could see two trades for us really reshaping they look of this team. All would be forgiven if management somehow managed to swindle this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: Just solve the RD problem in one big push: -Miller, Rathbone for Voracek, Jiricek (as mentioned) -Bo for Kotkaniemi (Struggling but young) and Morrow -Myers for Niemela Once the RDs are ready we’d have: Hughes Jiricek OEL Morrow Dermott Bear Niemela Works for me Good chance, Gudbranson is coming back. Imagine, a d core consisting of OEL, Myers & Guddy: 17 million of money well wasted. If I am Hughes, I would be asking for a trade Edited November 18, 2022 by ShawnAntoski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sell.the.team Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Don't believe anything FS has to say... Think he's an Eklund lite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, aGENT said: I prefer we take back Gardiner (LTIR) and take Drury and their 1st instead. Drury would be a decent add but their first will be late even in a good draft. Morrow seems like the complete D man with good size and likely close to ready. He would be the key target for me. Kotka is just striking while Carolina is making their push and he is struggling. If he was performing he would be close to untouchable. Definitely a risk but if he caps out as a 3rd line C even then the cap is manageable in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The.Burrowers said: Don't believe anything FS has to say... Think he's an Eklund lite. Is he related to Drance ? Edited November 18, 2022 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screw Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, aGENT said: And John Shannon said the other day that he's probably easier to move given the cost certainty he now has. So who do you believe? Personally I think it's silly to think that any "win now" team wouldn't be interested in adding a 1ppg (on a crap team no less) power forward, that can win draws/play C in a pinch and is on an expiring bargain deal, with a below market extension already signed. Particularly if we retain and/or take back cap. Look what Calgary just signed Huberdeau for or CBJ the gnome. The market is probably limited to 5, maybe 10 teams, sure. But as long as we take cap back, they have cap expiring, and the rumoured cap increase stays on track...I don't think we'd have any issues finding a few very interested suitors. Exactly, in the off season Miller didn’t have a contact extension and he was was apparently not moveable because there was no extension in place. Now an extension is in place and he has no value because of it? Even though he is presently on pace for a 40 goal 90 point season? Which is it? It seems no matter what path is taken there is always someone willing to say Canucks players hold little to no value in their present state. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: Good chance, Gudbranson is coming back At 4x4 I sure hope not. Yuck. Voracek offsets the Miller cap and I bet if he gets healthy and plays with Petey we can get a nice package in return at the deadline next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 24 minutes ago, bad alice french said: Watch management make a huge splash. Myers to Toronto for Nylander and Bo or Miller to Columbus part of a huge package. With those two teams involved and their respective needs and available pieces coming back our way I could see two trades for us really reshaping they look of this team. If Rutherford could get Nylander for Myers straight up Canucks fans would build him a statue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanuck94 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 We're not getting Johnson or Jiricek for Bo, let alone both He's scoring at an unbelievable rate, but it isn't sustainable and GMs are smart enough to know that numbers will regress back to normal eventually. Hopefully the hot streak bumps his value a bit, maybe a trade like Jenner, Peeke and a 2nd 2023? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: At 4x4 I sure hope not. Yuck. Voracek offsets the Miller cap and I bet if he gets healthy and plays with Petey we can get a nice package in return at the deadline next year. I just don't have confidence, in Allvin to be creative enough to make a good deal, for the Canucks cause if he was any good, Pittsburgh would had keep him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Coconuts said: If Rutherford could get Nylander for Myers straight up Canucks fans would build him a statue Nylander has a bigger cap hit than Myers. Pass on Nylander cause he is not a playoff performer and lots of other reasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 minute ago, ShawnAntoski said: I just don't have confidence, in Allvin to be creative enough to make a good deal, for the Canucks cause if he was any good, Pittsburgh would had keep him. I have to agree with that so far as we haven’t seen it. Team needed some fixes in the offseason and they weren’t met, now the team is in a dire state and fixes aren’t made. I think we need to see an example of a blockbuster from Allvin to see what his approach is. I certainly hope it’s in the form of a rebuild of some variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Kobayashi Maru said: I have to agree with that so far as we haven’t seen it. Team needed some fixes in the offseason and they weren’t met, now the team is in a dire state and fixes aren’t made. I think we need to see an example of a blockbuster from Allvin to see what his approach is. I certainly hope it’s in the form of a rebuild of some variety. At this point, I am ok with him doing nothing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: Drury would be a decent add but their first will be late even in a good draft. Morrow seems like the complete D man with good size and likely close to ready. He would be the key target for me. Kotka is just striking while Carolina is making their push and he is struggling. If he was performing he would be close to untouchable. Definitely a risk but if he caps out as a 3rd line C even then the cap is manageable in a few years. Still rather have Drury and a 1st. Late or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) Well I think the trade is............. Horvat (5.50 Million), Rathbone (.850) and Pearson (3.25 Million) = 9.600 Million (Rathbone sent down to Columbus farm team) = $8.750 cap for Columbus for *Voracek (8.250 Million X 2) , Johnson (.925 Million) and Ceulemans (NCAA) = 9.125 Million Canucks cap space after trade according to Capfriendly = $1,352,083 Canucks trade Voracek at 50% for additional savings of = $4,125,000 Total Canuck Cap space created by trade = $5,477,083 Note* Columbus can clear all 2023-2024 unwanted cap space by moving Pearson at TDL or the summer. Note** Columbus keeps Jiricek and their 2023 1st Edited November 18, 2022 by J.I.A.H.N 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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