luckylager Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 minute ago, spook007 said: Agree... I said it earlier... the players with real value just now is Bo, Petey and QH.., ( Petey and QH probably highest die to their age)... After that, value goes down for our players... from medio return to no return ie lateral moves as you say. Only gain may be some cap space... So if they really wanna shake it up likely 1 of the 3 above is involved... and then some lateral moves meeded as well... So essentially they need to fire-sale and rebuild. Sounds like a good plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Petey Castiglione said: I was thinking that Brock would look good on the Oilers. McDavid, Drai, RNH. He'll get set up anywhere he plays on that roster and the space those guys will create for him he'll have lot's of opportunity to get his shot off. The caveat is that both teams have no cap space so it'll be hard for the Oilers to make room for Brock. I'd take the 1st from the Oilers and run if they can find the cap space. Foegele and Puljujarvi is probably all they would offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, luckylager said: So essentially they need to fire-sale and rebuild. Sounds like a good plan. They have value now.... Whatever they do don't let them walk for free, or be put up for sale at close to zero value... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 16 minutes ago, Googlie said: Interesting how we overvalue many of our prospects, yet undervalue so many veterans. Here's an Oilers "pundit's" take on Boeser ..... The further east/ south you go the more or I should say the less they actually know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 13 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said: Okay well you are welcome to offer better comparables in terms of skillset and upside to Hughes than the ones I cited, and then also offer what they were traded for as context. At least one big, unpopular move isgoing to have to be made, imo. It's either Hughes or Petey and Hughes comes with a unique situation in NJ. It's absolutely nothing personal with Hughes, I like him very much. Something has to give somewhere........the missed the chance with Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, spook007 said: Agree... I said it earlier... the players with real value just now is Bo, Petey and QH.., ( Petey and QH probably highest die to their age)... After that, value goes down for our players... from medio return to no return ie lateral moves as you say. Only gain may be some cap space... So if they really wanna shake it up likely 1 of the 3 above is involved... and then some lateral moves meeded as well... they coulld absorb a Hughes move, they couldn't cover a Horvat one. They need to re-sign him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Foegele and Puljujarvi is probably all they would offer. Watching that Oiler blogger's video and seems like a 1st would be okay. We'd be taking cap back of course with Foegele and Puljujarvi plus another player and we'd likely get a sweetener for taking those players. Don't like much of what the Oilers have to offer but getting a pick and cap space is a win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, Petey Castiglione said: Watching that Oiler blogger's video and seems like a 1st would be okay. We'd be taking cap back of course with Foegele and Puljujarvi plus another player and we'd likely get a sweetener for taking those players. Don't like much of what the Oilers have to offer but getting a pick and cap space is a win. that doesn't help Van much at all. They need a good dman coming back 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, stawns said: they coulld absorb a Hughes move, they couldn't cover a Horvat one. They need to re-sign him Depends of $$$... I like Bo and much prefer him to Miller, but this breaking out in a contract year, we saw last year with Miller... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knucklehd Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, spook007 said: Depends of $$$... I like Bo and much prefer him to Miller, but this breaking out in a contract year, we saw last year with Miller... Except Bo has been consistant historically. And entering his Prime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, stawns said: that doesn't help Van much at all. They need a good dman coming back I agree, though Boeser isn't returning a dman we need but giving us the cap space to acquire one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Petey Castiglione said: I agree, though Boeser isn't returning a dman we need but giving us the cap space to acquire one. They're not getting cap space in a boeser deal, imo.........not much anyway. And cap space is a tease, you still have to find someone wants to play in Van, there's no concern there in a hockey trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Coconuts Posted December 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2022 43 minutes ago, Alflives said: Hughes is more offensively gifted than Makar, but lacks the physical dynamic (attacking with puck on stick and checking) that Makar brings. Then Makar can play that way b3cause he has Toews for a partner. If we kept ?Tanev, Quinn would be far more offensively minded in five on five play. I like Hughes, I really do, but he's just not imo. Hughes does not have Makars toolbox. Yes, Makar plays on a better team but it's no coincidence that the Avs really took off after Makar stepped in, he's their driving force from the back end and MacKinnon is their engine up front. Makar can absolutely fly, he's deceptive in his skating and movements, he can dish with the best of them, he's good defensively, and he's an actual threat with his shot. Hughes can absolutely do some of these things very well as well but he lacks Makar's dangerous shot. That shot is a big one for me, it gives Colorado's offense options that Hughes simply doesn't and it's a big tool Makar has that Hughes simply does not possess. This isn't me dumping on Hughes, they're similar talents, but I would say Makar is better. Makar does have the benefit of a stable, higher end partner though, I'll give you that. But at the same time that's more a reflection of Colorado and Vancouver's management than any fault of Hughes or Makar, all they can do is go out there and play. Maybe someday we'll have a management group that can capably address defense within this organization in terms of building an NHL D, finding Hughes (if he's still here) a partner, and drafting and developing D in house so fans don't have to run around frothing at the mouth over D other teams have drafted and developed. Our inability to properly draft and develop D over at least the last couple decades has been pathetic. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, Knucklehd said: Except Bo has been consistant historically. And entering his Prime Not to the numbers now shown... Surely have him score for fun in a contract year has to be part of the conversation. And its still about $. Bo may want a kings ransom. And he is putting himself in prime position to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 32 minutes ago, stawns said: At least one big, unpopular move isgoing to have to be made, imo. It's either Hughes or Petey and Hughes comes with a unique situation in NJ. It's absolutely nothing personal with Hughes, I like him very much. Something has to give somewhere........the missed the chance with Miller I think there are more Petterssons in the league at any given time than there are Hughes. Pettersson is as of yet more unachieved upside than Hughes is. Pettersson is a "blue chip first line center" who has never scored 70 points yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Kevin Biestra said: I think there are more Petterssons in the league at any given time than there are Hughes. Pettersson is as of yet more unachieved upside than Hughes is. Pettersson is a "blue chip first line center" who has never scored 70 points yet. Yet he doesnt have 2 star brothers in a major American team that likely thinks they are one star dman away from being a serious contender. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, stawns said: They're not getting cap space in a boeser deal, imo.........not much anyway. And cap space is a tease, you still have to find someone wants to play in Van, there's no concern there in a hockey trade Take for example the Oilers. We'd have to take JP/Yamamoto plus a pick. We can let JP walk or try to flip him at the deadline. Yamamoto is a young enough that we could flip him as well since we have an abundance of wingers like him. Letting JP walk is 3m right there and we can even retain on yamamto and get another 1.5 or clear his cap completely. This is where management needs to get creative. They need to think a couple moves ahead to create the cap breathing room while hopefully not spending assets. Maybe we could flip the pick we get to clear more cap space. It's all about parlaying the first move into other moves and that begins with creating some cap flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gurn Posted December 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2022 Horvatt has been scoring at this pace since part way through last year, so it is a bit misleading to call his level of play a 'going for a contract' thing. 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Gurn said: Horvatt has been scoring at this pace since part way through last year, so it is a bit misleading to call his level of play a 'going for a contract' thing. Extension talks began after the 2022 TDL didn't they? I don't dislike Bo but I also see this as anywhere near sustainable...can't see how team can justify signing him to a 8x8+ contract. Need to learn from the mistakes with Miller's contract...both players are support pieces on a good team Edited December 4, 2022 by 5nothincanucksohno 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Lol I floated a Demko to LA proposal when Petersen was put on waivers, now apparently Dreger has started the same rumour. Guess I’m an insider! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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