[Trade] Red Wings trade Filip Hronek, 2023 4th-round pick to Canucks for conditional 2023 1st-round pick (NYI), 2023 2nd-round pick

[fanofvan]

3 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said:

At the draft I have a hard time seeing him costing this much TBH. 

If we traded a 2nd I would have been happy. If it was a 1st + 3rd for Hronek and 2nd I would have been OK. 

This is waaaay too much to give in a deep draft for this player with only one year left on his contract. I would have given up this for Carlo given the years left on his contract and how he is a better fit in terms of player type. 

Hronek looks like a pure OFD prone to mistakes who can play well with a rock solid partner. 

Hughes - Bear
OEL - Hronek
Dermot - Myers/Schenn

This is still not a good defense, not even close. 

We had the opportunity to be patient. Like how we got Bear for a 5th or Ehrhoff for a 4th. Making a knee jerk trade like this given where we are is terrible.

If the Canucks were the hottest team in 2023, and 10-1 post Horvat trade and right at the cusp of the wild card it would have made some sense. But given that this season is a throwaway I cannot make sense at all of paying such a premium.  

Why would Hronek have been cheaper at the draft?  You are not getting a player in a high demand position, within his age range, with his skill for a 2nd round pick, period.  You also aren't getting him plus a 2nd for a 1st and 3rd.  Lundkvist cost Dallas a 1st and 4th and Hronek is the better player, therefore, he cost more.

[Gawdzukes]

13 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

I like that as a start.

 

So much better without OEL and Myers there. 
 

Im good with Dermott and Bear as stop gaps until we can develop some of our other guys like Pettersson, Johansson, Rathbone, Jurmo, Woo etc.

 Unfortunately we have to be. I agree with the sentiment though ... but we're also stuck with the great OEL for 4 more years unless they do the unthinkable and buy him out. 

[fanofvan]

21 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Hughes - ?

? - Hronek

Dermott - Bear

 

It's a decent start. More please.

Graves or Gavrikov would fit in very nicely on that 2nd pairing with Hronek.

[Ted Lasso]

2 minutes ago, 250Integra said:

The new core:

Pettersson

Hughes

Kuzmenko

Hronek

Demko

 

This has been said dozens of times here but I'm supportive of this trade as it shows Pettersson and Hughes that the team is going to add the NECESSARY pieces to hopefully contend in a short time frame. We probably would've picked a D prospect with the Islanders pick (somewhere between 13-18) but in all honestly, that player is not going to be helping the team in any big way for at least 4-5 years. Hronek is already an established Top 2/4 defenseman in the league and he fills a hole that we sorely need:

 

1. He's a RD that is a tremendous skater

2. Great on the PP and provides a one-timer option that we've been missing

3. Young and entering the prime of his career. Imagine the team having two defenseman that can easily put up 50+ points in a season.

 

What this team needs now is to find some complementary defensive d-man for our two young guns. Hopefully Myers is shipped out soon and OEL turns a corner.

 

 

Great post. 
 

Hronek is for Hughes what Kuzmenko is for Pettersson

[Timråfan]

4 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

It's continuing the mediocrity merry-go-round. Sure, it helps us now, but we don't need help right now. We need draft picks in this deep draft, a shot at Bedard, a shot at Celibrini next year, etc. This will improve our team (if he hits), but that will what, put us in midfield again and trying to squeak into the playoffs only to get bounced right away? 

We don’t need draft picks unless it’s a shot at the top five. The rest isn’t any better.

Sandin Pelikka is a player I’ve heard of but he is noway near the player we need so why shpuld we use the Isles pick for players like him and wait five years for them to show their worth?

I would have understand if it was our first that is a lottery ticket.

Hoping for something next year we don’t know anything isn’t very good.

[DS4quality]

1 minute ago, spook007 said:

If you want a real serious go at top pick, then you have to trade Petey, QH and Demko as they are too good to let the club sink to the bottom.

They are not going to hang around waiting for picks to become game changers...

Did Colorado have to trade Mackinnon, Rantanen, and Landeskog to get Makar and Byram? 

[PhillipBlunt]

18 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

These are the RHD available in free agency on July 1.  Tell me who is better than Hronek on this list?  How were we supposed to fix the defence when only these guys were available for free?  The only way to acquire a top 4 RHD was via a trade.  Which is what we did.  Unless you wanted to use the pick on Reinbacher and wait 5 years to see if he develops...

 

1. John Klingberg	ANA	30	RD	Right	50	8	16	24	0.48	-28	78	0.10	20:51	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$7,000,000	$7,000,000
2. Erik Johnson	COL	35	RD	Right	51	0	7	7	0.14	5	80	0.00	17:31	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC, NMC	UFA	$6,000,000	$6,000,000
3. Matt Dumba	MIN	28	RD	Right	59	4	9	13	0.22	-8	72	0.06	21:30	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$6,000,000	$5,200,000
4. Damon Severson	NJD	28	RD	Right	58	4	14	18	0.31	3	74	0.05	20:18	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$4,166,666	$5,100,000
5. Kevin Shattenkirk	ANA	34	RD	Right	54	2	15	17	0.31	-14	113	0.02	18:18	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$3,900,000	$4,950,000
6. Travis Hamonic	OTT	32	RD	Right	60	3	8	11	0.18	-9	101	0.03	18:53	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$3,000,000	$3,250,000
7. Radko Gudas	FLA	33	RD	Right	52	2	8	10	0.19	7	82	0.02	17:41	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$2,500,000	$2,500,000
8. Justin Holl	TOR	31	RD	Right	59	2	11	13	0.22	14	42	0.05	20:56	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$2,000,000	$2,000,000
9. Scott Mayfield	NYI	30	RD	Right	64	5	12	17	0.27	3	91	0.05	20:51	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,450,000	$2,000,000
10. Troy Stecher	ARI	29	RD	Right	60	0	7	7	0.12	-1	60	0.00	16:55	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,250,000	$1,250,000
11. Anton Strålman	BOS	36	RD	Right	8	0	0	0	0.00	-3	3	0.00	15:22	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
12. Justin Braun	PHI	36	RD	Right	39	0	1	1	0.03	-1	30	0.00	15:34	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
13. Connor Clifton	BOS	28	LD/RD	Right	59	4	11	15	0.25	20	75	0.05	18:12	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
14. Trevor van Riemsdyk	WSH	31	RD	Right	62	6	11	17	0.27	9	68	0.09	18:37	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$950,000	$1,000,000
15. Mark Pysyk	DET	31	RD	Right	0	0	0	0	0.00	0	0	0.00		-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$850,000	$850,000
16. Luke Schenn	TOR	33	RD	Right	55	3	18	21	0.38	9	68	0.04	17:11	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$850,000	$900,000

Signing Schenn, Severson would make this a much better defense. Do it, AlLvin!

 

Hughes - Severson

Bear - Hronek

Dermott - Schenn

Edited March 2, 2023 by PhillipBlunt

[86Viking]

Are the Canucks willing to go 3F and 2D on the #1PP unit now that we have Hronek? Or is Hronek going to get 20 seconds on the 2nd unit?

[DeNiro]

I don’t have a problem with trading for a player like Hronek. He is absolutely the right age and fits our timeline.

 

I have a problem with the timing and the cost certainty with him. I can live with what we paid, because honestly if he develops into a true top pairing guy that’s worth the price all day long. 
 

The timing for me doesn’t make sense because that’s a deal that would have been there in the summer, when those picks were likely set. The price may have even come down a bit. But adding to the roster right now very well could hurt our chances of getting into the top 5 picks.

 

Also the cost certainty. I would have liked to get a player with a little more term or more club control. Are we just gonna have to pay this guy 7-8 mil after next season and have another large contract to deal with? Paying too much for another defender is just gonna further hinder our ability to build up depth.

[Ted Lasso]

16 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

These are the RHD available in free agency on July 1.  Tell me who is better than Hronek on this list?  How were we supposed to fix the defence when only these guys were available for free?  The only way to acquire a top 4 RHD was via a trade.  Which is what we did.  Unless you wanted to use the pick on Reinbacher and wait 5 years to see if he develops...

 

1. John Klingberg	ANA	30	RD	Right	50	8	16	24	0.48	-28	78	0.10	20:51	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$7,000,000	$7,000,000
2. Erik Johnson	COL	35	RD	Right	51	0	7	7	0.14	5	80	0.00	17:31	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC, NMC	UFA	$6,000,000	$6,000,000
3. Matt Dumba	MIN	28	RD	Right	59	4	9	13	0.22	-8	72	0.06	21:30	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$6,000,000	$5,200,000
4. Damon Severson	NJD	28	RD	Right	58	4	14	18	0.31	3	74	0.05	20:18	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$4,166,666	$5,100,000
5. Kevin Shattenkirk	ANA	34	RD	Right	54	2	15	17	0.31	-14	113	0.02	18:18	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$3,900,000	$4,950,000
6. Travis Hamonic	OTT	32	RD	Right	60	3	8	11	0.18	-9	101	0.03	18:53	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$3,000,000	$3,250,000
7. Radko Gudas	FLA	33	RD	Right	52	2	8	10	0.19	7	82	0.02	17:41	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$2,500,000	$2,500,000
8. Justin Holl	TOR	31	RD	Right	59	2	11	13	0.22	14	42	0.05	20:56	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$2,000,000	$2,000,000
9. Scott Mayfield	NYI	30	RD	Right	64	5	12	17	0.27	3	91	0.05	20:51	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,450,000	$2,000,000
10. Troy Stecher	ARI	29	RD	Right	60	0	7	7	0.12	-1	60	0.00	16:55	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,250,000	$1,250,000
11. Anton Strålman	BOS	36	RD	Right	8	0	0	0	0.00	-3	3	0.00	15:22	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
12. Justin Braun	PHI	36	RD	Right	39	0	1	1	0.03	-1	30	0.00	15:34	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
13. Connor Clifton	BOS	28	LD/RD	Right	59	4	11	15	0.25	20	75	0.05	18:12	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
14. Trevor van Riemsdyk	WSH	31	RD	Right	62	6	11	17	0.27	9	68	0.09	18:37	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$950,000	$1,000,000
15. Mark Pysyk	DET	31	RD	Right	0	0	0	0	0.00	0	0	0.00		-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$850,000	$850,000
16. Luke Schenn	TOR	33	RD	Right	55	3	18	21	0.38	9	68	0.04	17:11	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$850,000	$900,000

Exactly. These are our options to support Hughes and Petey through their prime. 31 other teams are competing for them, driving absurd prices and term, like the contracts we’re trying to get out of.

[fanofvan]

4 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

 Unfortunately we have to be. I agree with the sentiment though ... but we're also stuck with the great OEL for 4 more years unless they do the unthinkable and buy him out. 

There's something about Bear's game that I really like.  He reminds me a bit of a Hughes lite.  I'd have no issue with a Livingstone-Bear bottom pairing.

Edited March 2, 2023 by fanofvan

[N4ZZY]

8 hours ago, BlakeQuinnAndEggs said:

6 mill is 2nd pairing money..... look around the league  top forwards and top dmen are making 8 or 9 plus 

Not Quinn. 

 

Quinn's cap hit is 7.8M. 

 

What a steal. 

 

 

Edited March 2, 2023 by N4ZZY

[Jester13]

1 minute ago, Timråfan said:

We don’t need draft picks unless it’s a shot at the top five. The rest isn’t any better.

Sandin Pelikka is a player I’ve heard of but he is noway near the player we need so why shpuld we use the Isles pick for players like him and wait five years for them to show their worth?

I would have understand if it was our first that is a lottery ticket.

Hoping for something next year we don’t know anything isn’t very good.

It's a difference in philosophy. I think we do need draft picks. They're valuable af, and we're not ready to contend. I digress.

[BCNate]

13 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

These are the RHD available in free agency on July 1.  Tell me who is better than Hronek on this list?  How were we supposed to fix the defence when only these guys were available for free?  The only way to acquire a top 4 RHD was via a trade.  Which is what we did.  Unless you wanted to use the pick on Reinbacher and wait 5 years to see if he develops...

 

1. John Klingberg	ANA	30	RD	Right	50	8	16	24	0.48	-28	78	0.10	20:51	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$7,000,000	$7,000,000
2. Erik Johnson	COL	35	RD	Right	51	0	7	7	0.14	5	80	0.00	17:31	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC, NMC	UFA	$6,000,000	$6,000,000
3. Matt Dumba	MIN	28	RD	Right	59	4	9	13	0.22	-8	72	0.06	21:30	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$6,000,000	$5,200,000
4. Damon Severson	NJD	28	RD	Right	58	4	14	18	0.31	3	74	0.05	20:18	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$4,166,666	$5,100,000
5. Kevin Shattenkirk	ANA	34	RD	Right	54	2	15	17	0.31	-14	113	0.02	18:18	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$3,900,000	$4,950,000
6. Travis Hamonic	OTT	32	RD	Right	60	3	8	11	0.18	-9	101	0.03	18:53	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$3,000,000	$3,250,000
7. Radko Gudas	FLA	33	RD	Right	52	2	8	10	0.19	7	82	0.02	17:41	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$2,500,000	$2,500,000
8. Justin Holl	TOR	31	RD	Right	59	2	11	13	0.22	14	42	0.05	20:56	-	-	-	-	-	M-NTC	UFA	$2,000,000	$2,000,000
9. Scott Mayfield	NYI	30	RD	Right	64	5	12	17	0.27	3	91	0.05	20:51	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,450,000	$2,000,000
10. Troy Stecher	ARI	29	RD	Right	60	0	7	7	0.12	-1	60	0.00	16:55	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,250,000	$1,250,000
11. Anton Strålman	BOS	36	RD	Right	8	0	0	0	0.00	-3	3	0.00	15:22	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
12. Justin Braun	PHI	36	RD	Right	39	0	1	1	0.03	-1	30	0.00	15:34	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
13. Connor Clifton	BOS	28	LD/RD	Right	59	4	11	15	0.25	20	75	0.05	18:12	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
14. Trevor van Riemsdyk	WSH	31	RD	Right	62	6	11	17	0.27	9	68	0.09	18:37	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$950,000	$1,000,000
15. Mark Pysyk	DET	31	RD	Right	0	0	0	0	0.00	0	0	0.00		-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$850,000	$850,000
16. Luke Schenn	TOR	33	RD	Right	55	3	18	21	0.38	9	68	0.04	17:11	-	-	-	-	-		UFA	$850,000	$900,000

The way I see our D in 2 years is:

Hughes- XXX

XXX-Hronek

XXX-XXX

 

The only 2 I'd have interest in are Severson and Mayfield.  I'd only do those anything on the UFA front if we can get away from OEL or Myers.

 

Otherwise, Go hard after Livingstone, and look to next years draft to drafty a partner for Hughes/Hronek.  

[Ted Lasso]

Just now, DeNiro said:

I don’t have a problem with trading for a player like Hronek. He is absolutely the right age and fits our timeline.

 

I have a problem with the timing and the cost certainty with him. I can live with what we paid, because honestly if he develops into a true top pairing guy that’s worth the price all day long. 
 

The timing for me doesn’t make sense because that’s a deal that would have been there in the summer, when those picks were likely set. The price may have even come down a bit. But adding to the roster right now very well could hurt our chances of getting into the top 5 picks.

 

Also the cost certainty. I would have liked to get a player with a little more term or more club control. Are we just gonna have to pay this guy 7-8 mil after next season and have another large contract to deal with? Paying too much for another defender is just gonna further hinder our ability to build up depth.

There’s no way of knowing that. A bird in the hand…

[fanofvan]

1 minute ago, DeNiro said:

I don’t have a problem with trading for a player like Hronek. He is absolutely the right age and fits our timeline.

 

I have a problem with the timing and the cost certainty with him. I can live with what we paid, because honestly if he develops into a true top pairing guy that’s worth the price all day long. 
 

The timing for me doesn’t make sense because that’s a deal that would have been there in the summer, when those picks were likely set. The price may have even come down a bit. But adding to the roster right now very well could hurt our chances of getting into the top 5 picks.

 

Also the cost certainty. I would have liked to get a player with a little more term or more club control. Are we just gonna have to pay this guy 7-8 mil after next season and have another large contract to deal with? Paying too much for another defender is just gonna further hinder our ability to build up depth.

The price may have also gone up if the RHD free agents dry up/get extended at ridiculous prices or the NYI go on a tear and lessen the value of that 1st.  

 

I agree with your last point but I'm hoping once he hits RFA they either sign him to a long contract at a reasonable hit or bridge him.

[DeNiro]

5 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

 Unfortunately we have to be. I agree with the sentiment though ... but we're also stuck with the great OEL for 4 more years unless they do the unthinkable and buy him out. 

I mean they’re both RFA’s after the season, so we could dump both of them if we wanted.
 

As a bottom pair that’s pretty decent. I hate seeing people pencil Bear onto the top pair though, we have to do better than that.

 

Those two can at least skate and move the puck, and really you’re hoping someone from the farm can beat them out.

[250Integra]

6 minutes ago, DS4quality said:

Did Colorado have to trade Mackinnon, Rantanen, and Landeskog to get Makar and Byram? 

Bowen is one hit away from changing his last name to Juolevi. Don't forget the Avs traded Duchene to land the pick that got them Makar.

Edited March 2, 2023 by 250Integra

[rekker]

25 minutes ago, Sell.the.team said:

I see what you are saying and that's a fair enough point.... But until this team CAN start drafting and developing our own defenseman, we will not find success.

 

I think any management group that just says 'we can't do it so we need to pay a premium' on the open market is doomed for failure.

Yip. It's why many of us, me included, are done with this cycle of crap.

[Gawdzukes]

1 minute ago, fanofvan said:

There's something about Bear's game that I really like.  He reminds me a bit of a Hughes lite.  I'd have no issue with a Livingstone-Bear bottom pairing.

Fair enough, not me. He makes way too many incredibly poor plays. I do like parts of his game though and he does some tings pretty well. When he's on he's good, when he's off he's worse than Myers. I can see why he didn't play in Carolina. No go for a coach like Rod. I sure hope we don't give this guy any money ... isn't his qualifying offer over $2m? I would keep him as a stop gap at league minimum but that's it. Livingstone is also a far fetched idea at this point. We have little reason to think we will sign him let alone whether he can jump into the NHL.