[PDF] Vegas Golden Knights (P1) vs. Edmonton Oilers (P2) | Golden Knights win series 4-2

[IBatch]

5 hours ago, BC_Hawk said:

The ONLY reason Bouchard has been looking good since the TDL is the arrival of Ekholm; he covers up all his warts. As you mentioned, he is a FAR worse version of Justin Schultz.

 

And McDavid and Draisaitl are not leaders; they are one way players that show no real signs of leadership. The only thing worse then their leadership skills is Weirdo Woodcroft's complete lack of control of the room. The asinine post game interviews he throws out game after game are only out shadowed by his bizarre mannerisms and facial expressions. How he lets Nurse and Kane run around uncontrolled in a game they are just dominating is ridiculous, and it will cost him his #2 dman for a game. If you want to see how to win with class, watch the end of game #3.

 

This all is coming from someone who actually hates LV, and has cheered for the Oilers on their last few PO ventures. This year, their undiscuplined play and sense of entitlement are nauseating. 

Bouchard ... As aGENT knows ... I'm smiling a little right now.    Growing up watching Paul Coffey (and no he's sure no Paul Coffey), this kid is actually running a pretty deadly power play and scoring goals. ... four goals and 15 points in ten games for a D is something, and yes mostly on the power play.    And he's only 23.  

Edited May 11, 2023 by IBatch

[Elias Pettersson]

4 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Bouchard ... As aGENT knows ... I'm smiling a little right now.    Growing up watching Paul Coffey (and no he's sure no Paul Coffey), this kid is actually running a pretty deadly power play and scoring goals. 

Bouchard reminds me Al MacInnis.  His shot is what made him a great PP point man.  I think if you took away Macinnis's shot he would have been an average to above average Dman.  Mike Green is another.  Dan Boyle.  Reed Larson and Jeff Brown are a couple other lower level guys as well...

 

Coffey was actually quite good defensively, he broke up a bunch of plays due to his speed.  I still remember the time he broke up that play in the Canada Cup and Canada went on to score the winning goal.  Can't remember which year that was, I remember he was playing with Bourque.  Do you remember?

[rekker]

41 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Bouchard ... As aGENT knows ... I'm smiling a little right now.    Growing up watching Paul Coffey (and no he's sure no Paul Coffey), this kid is actually running a pretty deadly power play and scoring goals. ... four goals and 15 points in ten games for a D is something, and yes mostly on the power play.    And he's only 23.  

I just can't get on the Bouchard love train. He's so brutal defensively. He does put up points on the PP, but a PP with two of the best, literally,  best offensive players in the world. Meh. I think Bouchard is in the right place at the right time to look more valuable than he is. 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Are he surprised the league matched the one game Nurse, by rule, had to sit? 

Series management? 

[Chickenspear]

So I guess I shouldn't have turned it off after 2 periods, eh?

[Wise Guy]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Are he surprised the league matched the one game Nurse, by rule, had to sit? 

Series management? 

They took the easy way out but game 6 should be fun.

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

Not suspending Pietrangelo for the rest of the series is going to lead to retribution opportunities.

[zimmy]

39 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Not suspending Pietrangelo for the rest of the series is going to lead to retribution opportunities.

Must see TV then …….

[King Heffy]

51 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Not suspending Pietrangelo for the rest of the series is going to lead to retribution opportunities.

If Edmonton tries, McDiver is likely to get Bertuzzi'd.  Vegas can play that game a lot better than a team full of gutless cowards.

[BCNeil]

3 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Not suspending Pietrangelo for the rest of the series is going to lead to retribution opportunities.

IDK game 6 is an elimination game.  Unless it gets one sided on the scoreboard, I don't think they will be getting too crazy.  But every game is one sided, so who knows.  

[IBatch]

15 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Bouchard reminds me Al MacInnis.  His shot is what made him a great PP point man.  I think if you took away Macinnis's shot he would have been an average to above average Dman.  Mike Green is another.  Dan Boyle.  Reed Larson and Jeff Brown are a couple other lower level guys as well...

 

Coffey was actually quite good defensively, he broke up a bunch of plays due to his speed.  I still remember the time he broke up that play in the Canada Cup and Canada went on to score the winning goal.  Can't remember which year that was, I remember he was playing with Bourque.  Do you remember?

1987, the best USSR - Canada series ever.   The talent level on both teams was just sick.    Coffey broke up the 2-1 and then started the play that led to Gretzky to Mario's goal.   Keenan had kept those two guys off each others lines but decided to load it up "on instinct" and the rest is history.   One of the most famous hockey goals.   Like Sids golden Goal...that's by memory. 

 

Coffey was my favourite Oiler, well Gretzky too, but if I was playing in the NHL, it was Coffey i'd wish to emulate.   Was a tough player too, didn't shy away from the rough stuff at all, and was more then decent when he dropped the mitts.  Especially as an Oiler, but also with the Pens.   

 

As for Al Mac,  Lanny McDonald after winning the cup "AL couldn't hit the broad side of the barn with his missile when he came in, sure figured that out didn't he?"  paraphrased.    One thing about him though, as he aged he got a lot better on the D side too.   When he won his Norris in St. Louis, he was truly dominant on both sides of the puck by then.   Aged like fine wine, one could say.   Personally feel D's often have their best seasons in their early thirties , especially the blue chip ones.    They've played the game long enough, and that experience can make them monsters at 30-34.     Coffey's last Norris his 14th season, was awesome in Detroit too, a Hart finalist (runner up?) can't quite re-call, believe Lindros took home all the hardware that year (1995). 

 

Lidstrom of course probably the best example.  Burns of course became a monster too.   And well EK this season, Lyndsay and Norris candidate, breaking Orr's record for a D in on the most of a teams offense was a record that seemed safe, just like Gretzky's goal record.  Somehow he did it with an awful supporting cast.     Pronger.   Neidermayer.   Blake.   Chelios.     Even Edler, when he went to the worlds and dominated, came back and had one of his best  seasons in years for us too.    Makes it a little frustrating with Myers and OEL...although Myers had a couple decent years with us.     OEL first season was ok too.  

 

As for Al Mac...what a cannon!    Bouchard has time to become a Mike Green for sure ... he gets a lot of criticism for his skating and D side, but he's only 23.   Already had two 40 plus point seasons, and that's without significant  power play time...now that he's running the Oilers PP, he's killing it, and Coffey is one of his mentors.    Not a coincidence.    They've already got a name for his shot "Bouch Bomb" lol.   Pretty sure given his age, and that he's always been a power play specialist of sorts, he's going to stick.   Has good size, and is a right shot D.    There is time yet for him to develop into a scoring machine.  Most D's aside from HHOF types and fringe HHOF types, don't have great seasons at 23.    Usually it's like Carlson in WSH.   Do ok, nothing special, but ok, then explode around 26 or 27.   For sure this is his coming out party, and the coach is giving him more minutes.   Look forward to seeing what he can do with a couple full seasons with what is turning into the most deadly power play in league history.   Incredible really, and adding Bouchard actually made it better (so far). 

 

Made a stink when we drafted QHs's, too small for a D, and Bouchard at the time had size, was scoring more and despite his "slow" skating, was the fastest backwards skaters in the draft ... of course I was wrong.   But if we did draft him instead, I'm sure folks would be a lot nicer about him.    QHs is a power play specialist too.   Gets half his points on it ... Won't surprise me at all if he starts a run of Mike Green like seasons starting next year.   20 plus goals and 80 plus points.   He also blocks shots and hits ... His career is absolutely up in the air still.     But the next two seasons, don't be shocked if he's in the top five in scoring for defenseman, and also gets some Norris votes as a result.  Mike Green is a great comp for Bouchard really, but think AL Mac turned into one of the leagues all time greats given his second half.   And of course his scoring was superb.  Closing out on the century and millennia ,  AL Mac and Pronger were simply unreal.   And Al Mac was almost done. 

 

Al Mac was the Norris runner up, his last season, and sixth in Hart votes.   Totally sick.   Al Mac and Pronger on the ice for close to or half the game every night was probably the best tandem i've ever seen play.   And he did this during the dead puck era.   I would have loved to see him play the season after the lockout.    If Zubov went from 50ish points to 71 at 37, i'd put  good money that AL Mac would have scored well over 100 at 41/42.    Lidstrom had it easy.  Rafalski scored the second most points for a D in the 2000's.   Al Mac was 35 his last Norris ... first year they tracked ice time ... 29:07.  1998-1999.     Pronger became a force of nature after getting his mentorship under Al Mac. 

Edited May 12, 2023 by IBatch

[IBatch]

13 hours ago, Alflives said:

Are he surprised the league matched the one game Nurse, by rule, had to sit? 

Series management? 

Not at all.  On ice stuff could occur when AP comes back.   He could have broke his wrist, and out for the playoffs plus possibly affected his career.    Sure no previous offenses so he gets a freebie of sorts, and can appreciate the tactical part of it - but if this happened in the 90's or 2000's,  the game would have taken one more hour to play out.  And Stone and others would have a target on their backs big time.   It was a massive code violation.     Nurse getting an instigator was silly too.   Hagel was a willing combatant.   Sure he hit him first, but gloves came off at the same time.    

 

This is exactly what I expected and don't mind it, other then the Nurse thing, maybe words we can't hear from TV made it deserved but wow, i've watched hundreds of fights, that didn't get instigator calls, with the other guy throwing a punch or two connecting before the other guy dropped the gloves.   What a silly suspension, don't think it classified as instigator really, I think the refs just wanted to make sure things didn't get ugly.   If they have too, give them both an instigator penalty lol. 

 

Thing is - now they've set the stage for it to go exactly that way.   This series has become much watch now at least lol.  Don't want Vegas to win.   Don't want Seattle to win either.    Get the EDM hate on this site (kind of, but think that has more to do with jealous feelings then anything,  EDM hasn't been a rivalry with us ever really - ever, we got our ass handed to us on the scoreboard in the 80's, but pretty sure most on this site that hold ill will towards them weren't around for that - and the ones that were maybe we shouldn't care anymore?) but Vegas really?     Screw Vegas.     Dallas and EDM is a way better outcome in the conference final than Seattle Vegas.   I hope Vegas doesn't win another game, and Draisaitl beats Reggie's and Kurri's record.   

 

Not sure why we can't give EDM a little more respect.   They don't live in a city nearly so beautiful as our gem in BC.    The folks there work hard for a living in places that aren't easy to work in.    Get they are close and we have history with them.   But it's not like CAL, who actually had great teams at the same time we've also had good to great teams going hammer and tong against each other though is it?    The 80's were more than one life sentence away.    They've got their NHL team and not much else do they.    And well, have to give Holland some credit, he's come in and added some great pieces.   Eckholm, Hyman, rolled the dice on Kane.  

Edited May 12, 2023 by IBatch

[Kevin Biestra]

11 hours ago, IBatch said:

Not at all.  On ice stuff could occur when AP comes back.   He could have broke his wrist, and out for the playoffs plus possibly affected his career.    Sure no previous offenses so he gets a freebie of sorts, and can appreciate the tactical part of it - but if this happened in the 90's or 2000's,  the game would have taken one more hour to play out.  And Stone and others would have a target on their backs big time.   It was a massive code violation.     Nurse getting an instigator was silly too.   Hagel was a willing combatant.   Sure he hit him first, but gloves came off at the same time.    

 

This is exactly what I expected and don't mind it, other then the Nurse thing, maybe words we can't hear from TV made it deserved but wow, i've watched hundreds of fights, that didn't get instigator calls, with the other guy throwing a punch or two connecting before the other guy dropped the gloves.

 

I remember there would be games where everything was going normal, Kesler would be behind the net with a guy, Kesler wouldn't have touched the guy but then all of a sudden the other guy would go insane and try to slash Kesler's face or something.  I swear to god Kesler must have been saying he was going to do stuff to the guy's kids or something on the ice.  I didn't even see that with Linseman or other rats...a guy would be having a nice day playing hockey, would be within five feet of Kesler for about 10 seconds and then would just see red and lose it.

[BCNeil]

What a powerplay

[Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw]

Back to this series and... two powerplay goals for EDM already?  Jesus.  I guess Vegas will never learn the lesson against the Oilers - do not take penalties.

[Taphouse Canuck]

Has Ben Hutton improved any?

[Jack Fig]

Just now, Taphouse Canuck said:

Has Ben Hutton improved any?

I hope that's just a rhetorical question. 

[Dr. Crossbar]

2 minutes ago, Taphouse Canuck said:

Has Ben Hutton improved any?

[Dr. Crossbar]

6 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

Back to this series and... two powerplay goals for EDM already?  Jesus.  

McJesus!