11th overall pick in the 2023 Entry Draft

[Baggins]

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

You believe me saying "our top six will remain good" is a "bold" prediction? That's cute. Our top six remained good without Bo. At least there's something more than my imagination to base my comment on. "Remain good" is a rather safe prediction. Bold predictions would be Petey will put up 120+ pts and Miller pushes 100 again with Bo gone. Or Alf's bold, "Boeser will be a 30+ goal, ppg line driver". Now those are bold predictions. You were as bold and specific with your imagination as Alf.

 

 

 

[Smashian Kassian]

On 5/26/2023 at 10:23 AM, Warhippy said:

I will ask you honestly.  outside of the question mark in Hronek.  What has changed about this team?  Healthy Demko?  That's about it.

 

This is still a team that historically lead the league in blown leads or multi goal losses last year.  This is still a team with no depth, prospects or cap space.  This is still a team almost every fan and analyst suggests will need to pay to move a contract that will open up cap space; which will immediately be spent on a replacement in free agency.  A team with no real assets left to trade to return max value.

 

When we say this team is positioned for success, what exactly are we talking about, because aside from Kuzmenko/Hronek/Beauvillier and no Horvat nothing has changed from this team in about 5 years and we know how those 5 years have shaped up and shaken out.

 

This team is fighting for the middle at best and ya I know how I sound and yes I know endless pessimism is crap but being realistic; like TRULY realistic here; how far do you think this team is going on 2 tires no radiator and a blown out stereo with a half tank of gas?

 

Entirely new coaching staff? Healthy Mikheyev, healthy OEL, probable NHL contributions from Podkolzin & Hoglander. Brock a year further removed from his dad's passing. I don't think any of these are far fetched improvements at all. And id add to your point, Hronek + healthy Demko are massive.

 

When we say this team is positioned for success, it means you have a young 100 pt C, a young #1 OFD (top 5-10 D in the league), and an elite goaltender. These pieces (specifically the first 2) are literally the kind of pieces teams like Chicago, Arizona, Montreal, exc are tanking for a chance at drafting. Getting these players are why anyone tanks.

 

Your right that this team has historically struggled defensively & playing as a unit. The reason for optimism comes because theirs so much room for improvement there given the talent we have, and we finally have a management group + coaching staff that knows what it takes to succeed as a team.

 

[Gawdzukes]

On 5/25/2023 at 2:12 PM, ilduce39 said:

Importance of flexible cap space has been seriously magnified because of the flat cap, though.  
 

Hate to give them a pass but Toronto, in particular, took it hard handing out those big “progressive” contracts expecting to save money long term as the cap went up. 
 

Meanwhile, Vegas has shown nothing less than pure distain for the cap and is heading to the finals.

 

Not arguing the Canucks made the right call or anything - in their case they needed to “take their medicine” during Benning’s last offseason and just let the Loui/Beagle/Roussel deals age out and they’d have been fine.

Yeah right. We were just coming out of the Covid year. No point whatsoever selling the farm for one year. Would have been a perfect time to build the team for a year or two. We would have had three years going into this season.

[Tyndall2]

Keep the draft pick.

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Tyndall2 said:

Keep the draft pick.

11OA + Demko for 3OA. Draft Carlsson. 

[mikeyman109]

I am i the keep the draft pick group. Trades involving Brock Garland and  Beauvillier should be explored but the draft pick should stay

[smithers joe]

may JR and PA make whatever moves that take us closer to being a cup contender. get us the right mix.

[Ted Lasso]

According to Pronman’s recent rankings, our pick is at the border of tier 4 and 5, making the (estimated) difference between a ‘top of the lineup’ player and a ‘bubble top or middle of the lineup’ player.  
 

https://theathletic.com/4538998/2023/05/30/nhl-draft-rankings-2023-bedard-pronman/

Tier 5 stretches to pick 20, so some of the proposals trading down to 19 could be worthwhile, depending on the return.

 

Seems like this pick could make a meaningful impact in 2-3 years on an ELC. Think I’m getting sold on Willander.

Edited May 31, 2023 by Kenny Powers

[Elias Pettersson]

27 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said:

According to Pronman’s recent rankings, our pick is at the border of tier 4 and 5, making the (estimated) difference between a ‘top of the lineup’ player and a ‘bubble top or middle of the lineup’ player.  
 

https://theathletic.com/4538998/2023/05/30/nhl-draft-rankings-2023-bedard-pronman/

Tier 5 stretches to pick 20, so some of the proposals trading down to 19 could be worthwhile, depending on the return.

 

Seems like this pick could make a meaningful impact in 2-3 years on an ELC. Think I’m getting sold on Willander.

Thanks Kenny.  Doesn't look like Pronman is too high on Benson, ASP, Moore or Barlow.  I'm not either to be honest.  He seems to be really high on Reinbacher, Danielson and But.

 

I don't think much separates from pick 6 to pick 20 to be honest.  Could see some surprises in the top 10 too.  Tier 5 goes from 10-20.  Those players could all go in different spots on draft day.  Willander is moving up.  He could be the 2nd Dman off the board.  And he could definitely be Allvin's guy...

 

Tier 1:

1. Connor Bedard

 

Tier 2:

2. Adam Fantilli

3. Matvei Michkov

 

Tier 3:

4. Leo Carlsson

5. Will Smith

 

Tier 4:

6. David Reinbacher

7. Nate Danielson

8. Dalibor Dvorsky

9. Danil But

10. Dmitriy Simashev

 

Tier 5:

11. Ryan Leonard

12. Gabriel Perreault

13. Samuel Honzek

14. Matthew Wood

15. Tom Willander

16. Brayden Yager

17. Zach Benson

18. David Edstrom

19. Oliver Moore

20. Colby Barlow

[billabong]

To van: pettersson, 2023 14th pick overall pick, 2024 1st round pick (top 10 protected or moves to an unprotected 2025 1st pick) 

 

to pit: Miller 

 

Canucks would have the opportunity to select a top C and top D in the top 15 of the draft 

 

Moore and reinbacher? Sign me up! 

[ilduce39]

5 hours ago, billabong said:

To van: pettersson, 2023 14th pick overall pick, 2024 1st round pick (top 10 protected or moves to an unprotected 2025 1st pick) 

 

to pit: Miller 

 

Canucks would have the opportunity to select a top C and top D in the top 15 of the draft 

 

Moore and reinbacher? Sign me up! 

Will Dubas do this, though?  He might want to make a splash but he’s also a big nerd.

[billabong]

10 hours ago, ilduce39 said:

Will Dubas do this, though?  He might want to make a splash but he’s also a big nerd.

If Pitt is as desperate to keep trying to win as we think. it’s highly possible they revisit Miller around the draft 

 

Miller will be highly sought after cause there isn’t much in UFA for C 

Edited June 1, 2023 by billabong

[higgyfan]

15 hours ago, billabong said:

To van: pettersson, 2023 14th pick overall pick, 2024 1st round pick (top 10 protected or moves to an unprotected 2025 1st pick) 

 

to pit: Miller 

 

Canucks would have the opportunity to select a top C and top D in the top 15 of the draft 

 

Moore and reinbacher? Sign me up! 

That would be considered a rebuilding move.  I don't see the Canucks doing that.  If they decide

to trade JT, there would have to be a top 4RD and/or a young player with #2C potential (already

playing 3C).

Edited June 1, 2023 by higgyfan

[billabong]

54 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

That would be considered a rebuilding move.  I don't see the Canucks doing that.  If they decide

to trade JT, there would have to be a top 4RD and/or a young player with #2C potential (already

playing 3C).

Unfortunately, I think you’re right. 

 

it’s what they SHOULD do but won’t do it

[Rick_theRyper]

16 hours ago, billabong said:

To van: pettersson, 2023 14th pick overall pick, 2024 1st round pick (top 10 protected or moves to an unprotected 2025 1st pick) 

 

to pit: Miller 

 

Canucks would have the opportunity to select a top C and top D in the top 15 of the draft 

 

Moore and reinbacher? Sign me up! 

This is the kind of trade that makes sense to me. 

[Fred65]

Here's the solution LOL

 

You trade our 11th plus Leternakki (sp) for a top 5 pick and then trade Miller to help the Cap. You get a centre with you hign pick

[spook007]

1 hour ago, Fred65 said:

Here's the solution LOL

 

You trade our 11th plus Leternakki (sp) for a top 5 pick and then trade Miller to help the Cap. You get a centre with you hign pick

Don't think you'll find any takers with a top 5 pick ready to swap that for our 11th + Lekkerimaki... would be great though.

[5nothincanucksohno]

Stick at 11 and select Nate Danielson...fills the big defensive center over the short-term and has a lot of potential offensive upside over the long-term

[Ted Lasso]

14 hours ago, 5nothincanucksohno said:

Stick at 11 and select Nate Danielson...fills the big defensive center over the short-term and has a lot of potential offensive upside over the long-term

Like him as a target, and he’s moved up the rankings lately.  How quickly do you think he could play in the NHL to be considered a short-term solution?

[Gawdzukes]

32 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said:

Like him as a target, and he’s moved up the rankings lately.  How quickly do you think he could play in the NHL to be considered a short-term solution?

He seems to be detail orientated and handles a lot of responsibility. I think one could expect him pushing for an NHL spot in 2 years. He's also got the size and defensive chops to play a 3rd or 4th line role.