Who here is actually happy with the Hronek trade?

[Dr. Crossbar]

15 hours ago, EdgarM said:

This is what it boils down to, you picked them now you need to live or die on that hill. Oilers will do the same with McDavid/Draisaitl/Nurse and Toronto with Matthews/Marner/Reilly. 

After you pick them , then you assemble the best team behind them to give them the best chance to win.

I think we have the advantage of having a goalie like Demko at a reasonable cap hit. 

The rest of the roster should be easier to assemble and a lot cheaper. Chicago did this in their hay day and they easily replaced the support players as some of them moved on.

I like how this new management realize you can't pay players because they are popular. The team comes first. If the cost is too high, then you move them. The players no longer run this team! Finally! 

Either players follow the game plan or they go, this has been needed for so long. 

I also like how they are following a game plan regarding a players age in order to give the core the longest possible window of opportunity to succeed.

Also just to add ... With Demko and soon Silovs, Petey, Hughes, Miller, Kuz, Hronek ... a healthy Mikheyev ... a productive Beau ... along with guys like Aman stepping up, big effort guys like DiGuiseppe, and better depth ... we're closer to competing than people think.

 

Allvin needs to continue being precise in the decision making. 

[Fred65]

13 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

Also just to add ... With Demko and soon Silovs, Petey, Hughes, Miller, Kuz, Hronek ... a healthy Mikheyev ... a productive Beau ... along with guys like Aman stepping up, big effort guys like DiGuiseppe, and better depth ... we're closer to competing than people think.

 

Allvin needs to continue being precise in the decision making. 

So often we choose to overlook a major part of last seasons failure was goaltending plu early onlack of direction. . Seemed to me like the lunatics were running the asylums. Back to the subject, I think Hronek will be a good addition  so mark me down as a plus. 

Edited May 18, 2023 by Fred65

[Gawdzukes]

On 5/16/2023 at 2:15 PM, Gurn said:

"It is going to tak4 years to develop a pick into a player."

 

Perhaps, but I expect that Vancouver will still have a team then, so that player will  be needed.

The whole not wanting to wait for draft picks concept is staggering honestly. No wonder the team is in the state it is. As far as I know the Canucks will still have a team in 4 years.

[spook007]

1 hour ago, Odd. said:

If that’s the case then why do we cater towards Pettersson and Hughes’s needs wand wants rather than doing what’s best for this team? 
 

This team is nowhere near ready to compete yet management is trading 1st round picks for other teams expendables just so we can play an extra 3 weeks in April. Tell me, what bottom 10 team in recent memory you ever see become buyers at the TDL. No draft capital, no blue chip prospects, overpaid wingers, overpaid defenseman, underperforming core guys, no quality defenseman significant enough to be a contributing factor after Hughes, no cap space.
 

So we go and get Hronek who’s not a top pairing defenseman but was played like

one due to how incredibly shallow Detroit’s defense was. He’s not a two way defenseman, he had a defensive defenseman babysit him in Maata back in Detroit, and he has one of the worst GSVA’s for defenseman the last 3 years.

 

We are retooling rather than doing what’s right and beneficial for the team because we’re letting two star players dictate decisions. No team has retooled and gotten as far as competing for the cup. It’s not worked before, it’s not going to work again. All it does is puts us in perpetual mediocrity. We just went 8 years of retooling with Benning and now we’re doing the same thing. Horvat = Trading Kesler. Hronek = Acquiring Gudbranson and trading McCann and picks.

Would you prefer to start all over? The two stars you are referring to are the now of this team. 

Amazing its so hard to understand that they may wanna win...

If they won'y hang around for rebuild then what? Sell them and start all over???

[Devron]

Very happy. Thank you

[HomeBrew]

3 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I'm glad that the inane idea of trading Demko was quashed. 

With that said, the people that keep reiterating that he's 'on a great contract', haven't really looked at the goalie contracts these days. He's being paid for what he is at the moment until he wins a Vezina or a Cup. Most goalies getting paid more than him have either been in Vezina contention or won a cup. 

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2023/caphit/all/goalies?stats-season=2023

Edited May 18, 2023 by HomeBrew

[Alflives]

17 minutes ago, spook007 said:

Would you prefer to start all over? The two stars you are referring to are the now of this team. 

Amazing its so hard to understand that they may wanna win...

If they won'y hang around for rebuild then what? Sell them and start all over???

And sell our core pieces in hopes of drafting and developing core pieces that are as good or better. If our core was old, then that would make sense. (Like what Gillis wanted to do, but got fired for, back in 2013) But our core is, as a group, younger. So it makes good sense to retool the supporting cast around the existing core, so they can be their best. 

[ilduce39]

13 hours ago, Coconuts said:

I just don't think this is the offseason to try and force things to plug holes when we can address areas next offseason as cap comes off organically. Which isn't to say management shouldn't be looking to explore options, but yeah. 

 

The Canucks likely to be most impacted by father time sooner than later are Miller and OEL but it's not worth rushing things to accommodate their age trajectory if being patient is the smarter play. 

 

I mean, guys like Graves and Mayfield could be interesting but they're also very much going to be in demand I'd reckon. I think the Kings find a way to keep Gavrikov considering what they spent on him. They don't strike me as a team looking to rent just yet. 

Yeah. I’ve been hoping the Canucks would take an offseason to catch their breath since before the OEL trade. 
 

I hope they don’t force anything - but it’s difficult to really predict where they’re coming from.  What kind of futures are they willing to burn vs how confident are they in our depth pieces like Brisebois, Wolanin and Juulsen.  Or Dries and Raty for that matter at 3C. 
 

It’s obvious they want to compete next year.  However, they have been fairly patient in some deals and look rushed in others. Can’t see them standing pat - but will they go for the bargain bin or make a splash?  
 

I feel like a hype man for Canucks media here - but it’s super interesting if you don’t mind disappointment. 

[PhillipBlunt]

19 minutes ago, HomeBrew said:

With that said, the people that keep reiterating that he's 'on a great contract', haven't really looked at the goalie contracts these days. He's being paid for what he is at the moment until he wins a Vezina or a Cup. Most goalies getting paid more than him have either been in Vezina contention or won a cup. 

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2023/caphit/all/goalies?stats-season=2023

It is a good contract. It's as simple as that. He's a great goaltender who, if given a better defensive structure in front of him and a couple of upgrades in the defense corps, should be vying for the Vezina annually. Demko came in 7th in Vezina voting in 2020-2021. 

 

Gibson has never won the Vezina, neither have Markstrom, Grubauer or Ullmark. None of them have won a Cup either. 

 

Frankly, out of the 15 that feature above Demko, the majority have the benefit of a far superior defense than anything the Canucks have iced in a decade. 

Edited May 18, 2023 by PhillipBlunt

[Dr. Crossbar]

Here's a little song I wrote
You might want to sing it note for note
Hronek's no worry, be happy
In every season we have some trouble
But when you "what if" about Hronek, you make it double
Don't worry, be happy
Don't worry, be happy Hronek now! 

[iceman64]

On 5/16/2023 at 9:38 AM, Elias Pettersson said:

If you think Hronek is mostly a PP specialist, then you obviously haven't watched him play to be honest...

 

And yes, I am very happy with the trade as Hronek is a legit top 4 Dman who can play in all situations.  The 18th overall pick won't even be in the lineup for 4 years...

EP stop that! Forward critical thinking for yourself?  it will not be tolerated on the CDC! Your now demoted to the minority side! 

  Welcome over! Beers in the fridge...  Mocking and laughing at those who refuse to think critically for themselves and blindly follow media etc, is strongly encouraged! Have fun with it!  It's usually good for a laugh, you described the JT Miller scenario to a Tee, now Hronek is same thing like you mentioned. 

[chon derry]

15 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

Here's a little song I wrote
You might want to sing it note for note
Hronek's no worry, be happy
In every season we have some trouble
But when you "what if" about Hronek, you make it double
Don't worry, be happy
Don't worry, be happy Hronek now! 

[Dr. Crossbar]

Just now, chon derry said:

[chon derry]

Just now, Dr. Crossbar said:

[Strawbone]

25 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

[Dixon Ward]

I am happy with the Hronek trade.  I am getting a little tired of talking about the salary cap.  I know it plays a huge role.  But at the end of the day, I am a hockey fan and I want to watch the most talented players possible entertain me and, hopefully, win.  I think Hronek will be one of the best rhd we have had and I look forward to watching him.  

 

It is boring when any time someone talks about a player, all of these armchair gm's chime in with how he has "negative value" because of his contract.  I agree with some of it, but it still takes a lot of the fun out of hockey talk.  

 

People have said both Brock Boeser and Connor Garland have "negative value", and these are Canucks "fans" btw.

 

Both players got limited pp time this year and finished 19th and 28th in even strength points for RW in the nhl.  That's right, of the 32 top, aka "1st line", RW in the league, they were 2 of them on a bad team.  They are the 17th and 43rd highest paid RW in the nhl.  So this leaves them with "negative value?"  I am not a gm, but this math doesn't add up to me.  While they may be a bit overpaid by some metrics, it seems they are about right by Even Strength points.  

 

I am a Canucks fan and I am very excited about the team next year.  You can find negatives, but there are many things to be pumped about.

 

Go Canucks Go!

[spook007]

2 hours ago, Alflives said:

And sell our core pieces in hopes of drafting and developing core pieces that are as good or better. If our core was old, then that would make sense. (Like what Gillis wanted to do, but got fired for, back in 2013) But our core is, as a group, younger. So it makes good sense to retool the supporting cast around the existing core, so they can be their best. 

Exactly... this is, what I don't get...

If they came out and said, they don't care, if Petey or QH stays or goes, then I'd understand. a total blow up, and hope we draft better players.Otherwise it doesn't make sense.
They drool about Bedard, but the bottom team didn't get him, so you don't have a clue, what you get.

 

Is Mickov, Fantilli, Carlsson that much better than Petey?

Cause this is really the question... All the rest of the picks, while good, doesn't guarantee a cup, and by the way so far McD hasn't achieved that neither, so even a generational talent is no guarantee...

 

At the moment we have a core... maybe not the best in the league, but they should be given the chance to grow, and so does JR and PA seemingly think.

They are trying to build a contender with the garbage baggage left to them by Benning. 

Can they do it, who knows, but if we are no closer in 2-4 years, then by all means blow it up and sell the family silver. If Kuz keeps scoring goals, he may be too expensive to keep after 2 years, although I'm told not to expect that, as according to his previous shooting percentage he'll score less than 20 goals... 

 

Its all so very negative....

[spook007]

29 minutes ago, Dixon Ward said:

I am happy with the Hronek trade.  I am getting a little tired of talking about the salary cap.  I know it plays a huge role.  But at the end of the day, I am a hockey fan and I want to watch the most talented players possible entertain me and, hopefully, win.  I think Hronek will be one of the best rhd we have had and I look forward to watching him.  

 

It is boring when any time someone talks about a player, all of these armchair gm's chime in with how he has "negative value" because of his contract.  I agree with some of it, but it still takes a lot of the fun out of hockey talk.  

 

People have said both Brock Boeser and Connor Garland have "negative value", and these are Canucks "fans" btw.

 

Both players got limited pp time this year and finished 19th and 28th in even strength points for RW in the nhl.  That's right, of the 32 top, aka "1st line", RW in the league, they were 2 of them on a bad team.  They are the 17th and 43rd highest paid RW in the nhl.  So this leaves them with "negative value?"  I am not a gm, but this math doesn't add up to me.  While they may be a bit overpaid by some metrics, it seems they are about right by Even Strength points.  

 

I am a Canucks fan and I am very excited about the team next year.  You can find negatives, but there are many things to be pumped about.

 

Go Canucks Go!

You are so right Dixon...

Thank you...

 

Lets get some positive vibes...

[erkayloomeh]

4 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Are they really catering to the two of them? Or is management recognizing the skill and ability these two have, which is elite, and building a team with them that is formidable? I love how Seattle plays. They have a team that plays for each other, with a pack mentality, much like Vegas and Florida. They've been successful because the focus hasn't been on one or two players but on playing as a unit and winning. 

 

The teams that are top heavy with gargantuan contracts generally don't get very far because you have some really top end pieces surrounded by spare parts. What is the identity of the Laffs or the Soilers? Do they even have one? Clearly part of their identity wasn't being hard to play against, as both Florida and Vegas played a harder, heavier game and beat them. The Canucks need to focus as much on getting players who play a physical game, as they do on making sure they have enough players with speed and skill. People keep on harping on the idea that larger more physical players are on the way out, yet every time the playoffs happen, certain tyoes of teams usually make it through to the conference finals and beyond.....

I've been harping on this for two years now while everyone harps on our need for d , you win cups with Ryan Kesler not Marcus naslunds. 

[ilduce39]

1 hour ago, Dixon Ward said:

I am happy with the Hronek trade.  I am getting a little tired of talking about the salary cap.  I know it plays a huge role.  But at the end of the day, I am a hockey fan and I want to watch the most talented players possible entertain me and, hopefully, win.  I think Hronek will be one of the best rhd we have had and I look forward to watching him.  

 

It is boring when any time someone talks about a player, all of these armchair gm's chime in with how he has "negative value" because of his contract.  I agree with some of it, but it still takes a lot of the fun out of hockey talk.  

 

People have said both Brock Boeser and Connor Garland have "negative value", and these are Canucks "fans" btw.

 

Both players got limited pp time this year and finished 19th and 28th in even strength points for RW in the nhl.  That's right, of the 32 top, aka "1st line", RW in the league, they were 2 of them on a bad team.  They are the 17th and 43rd highest paid RW in the nhl.  So this leaves them with "negative value?"  I am not a gm, but this math doesn't add up to me.  While they may be a bit overpaid by some metrics, it seems they are about right by Even Strength points.  

 

I am a Canucks fan and I am very excited about the team next year.  You can find negatives, but there are many things to be pumped about.

 

Go Canucks Go!

For sure. Salary cap talk is a huge thief of joy for sports fandom.  

 

I understand griping about Eriksson or OEL even if I get tired of it after awhile.  But the fact we’re wishing some decent players - in their primes - out of town is a shame.